Why does the god of the Bible consider slavery to be moral??

Joe Nation wrote:

IFeelFree wrote:
Joe Nation wrote:
[...Any micro-biologist can tell you why we or any other living creature dies : our mitochondrial DNA begins failing to properly process proteins. Or we are attacked by bacteria or viruses...

Those are mechanisms by which death occurs. They are how we die. The question of why we die implies an underlying purpose to death. Science is not equipped to answer that question. Its a metaphysical question. Its like asking why the Big Bang happened.

The purpose of death is to end life.

No. That is the definition of death.

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The purpose of your life is entirely up to you.

It may be up to me, from my perspective. However, there may be another purpose of which I'm unaware.

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Should I give you Snood's answer?

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Sez you.

No. that would be rude.

Let me try again. Why do we die? Why does everything living thing die?
We die and as a consequence of that dying return the atoms of our corpse back into the universe from whence they came helping to maintain the equilibrium of the closed system it is.

Joe(we only get one shot, do not miss this opportunity... .)Nation

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Joe Nation wrote:

Let me try again. Why do we die? Why does everything living thing die?
We die and as a consequence of that dying return the atoms of our corpse back into the universe from whence they came helping to maintain the equilibrium of the closed system it is.

That is a result of our dying, but not the purpose. Also, who says the universe is a closed system? Black holes, white holes, wormholes, even the Big Bang itself suggest that the universe might not be a closed system.

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Whether it's a closed system or not doesn't matter; when you're dead, you are forever gone from this planet. Only your children may survive from your short presence on this planet.

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Everything else is conjecture of hoping; nothing more.

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Last I read it was closed but expanding, some say stretching, but then things get weird. See The Canon by Natatlie Angier for a pretty clear explanation.

Life is just a transitional state. If one wants purpose either for one's existence or one's demise, one supplies it on their own.

My life is good. Hard in places, soft in others, but good.

Joe(No gods whispering in my ear though)Nation

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addessing the original question I have no ****ing idea frank

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Next time I see Frank I will tell him that he got his first honest answer.

Joe(that's one)Nation

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Joe Nation wrote:

Last I read it was closed but expanding, some say stretching, but then things get weird. See The Canon by Natatlie Angier for a pretty clear explanation.

Life is just a transitional state. If one wants purpose either for one's existence or one's demise, one supplies it on their own.

My life is good. Hard in places, soft in others, but good.

Joe(No gods whispering in my ear though)Nation

So, tell me Joe. If you encounter a person hanging on to the last days of their life but cheerful in the hope of a hereafter, would you then be as generous with your "beliefs" about this being "it" for them, or would you condescend to allow the poor mortal to cling to their pitiful hope?

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Snood - The Christians are known for offering last rights, not the atheists. The same could be asked of you.

If you came across a dying person, however in peace, feeling that they are taken care of in the next world thereafter, would you take that moment to evangelize? Be the person a Atheist, Buddhist, or Muslim? Your question asks to someone's tact, it's not a question of universal advice.

Try rewording.
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I don't think that was what snood asked. I believed he presumed the dying person already had a hope. Would you then tell him his belief was bogus?

Of course, I have not always correctly understood snood.

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So tell me Joe. If you encounter a person hanging on to the last days of their life but cheerful in the hope of a hereafter, would you then be as generous with your "beliefs" about this being "it" for them, or would you condescend to allow the poor mortal to cling to their pitiful hope?

Snood: It would depend upon whether or not she/he asked me. I've been to four or five funerals in the past three years: one colon cancer (fought it for eight and half years), one liver cancer (three years), one -very young, non-smoking- lung cancer (gone in the blink of an eye), one violent car crash(Never got to say goodbye).

Holy cow, it just occured to me that all of the above were believing but non-practicing Jews. (New York has lot's of them.)

Only one of them spoke to me about an afterlife.
Her four year old daughter was with us in the backyard. We were sitting in the shade and watching cloud shapes and naming the animals they looked like: a bear's head, a horse, a bird of some kind, maybe an angel.

"Angels aren't birds, silly" the little girl told me, "They're in heaven."
"Play your song for J, honey." the young non-smoker said.
And the daughter got the little violin out of it's case and stood very straight and played "Memories" from Cats. Really. I know this sounds scripted but that is what she played and while she played her mother turned to me and asked "Do you think there is a heaven?"

I let some notes slide by before answering, "I think we are in it right now."

Joe(she laughed a little and her daughter pouted that we were not listening and she started to play the piece again.)Nation

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That was very kind.

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Thanks, Neo. I have no moral foundation other than my instincts and a knowledge of 10,000 years of human civilization, but I can be kind.

Since Snood asked, I need to know myself, suppose Snood comes upon a devote Muslim breathing his last, does he attempt to get that person to accept Jesus as his personal savior without which he will doubtless be condemned to the fires of Hell for all eternity or does he turn away from his duty as a Christian to teach all nations?

Joe(How about a Catholic? Neo says they lack foundation)Nation

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I never could understand how people can be so foolish to believe in a God that will punish us for our religious beliefs. If we believe that our freedom of religion is good and proper, one of the greatest attributes of our country, why should we believe in a God that doesn't? Why do some believe in a God that can't measure up to our standards?

If, on the other hand, we believe freedom of religion is evil and people should be persecuted for their religious beliefs than I can understand their belief in a Biblical God that conforms to this practice. There would be no hypocrisy here. God has set the example and believers are following his actions.

If punishing people because of their religious beliefs is wrong than God is wrong.

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cicerone imposter wrote:

The biggest clue to knowing the bible was written by men is very simple; they made too many mistakes about 1) creation (they based the age of the world to what they knew at the time without the advantage of science), 2) the world flood (too many problems concerning this claim), and 3) contradictions (god is love, but he approves of slavery and killing).

You are just not seeing it...

Just because humans begins counting days (Stonehenge) does not mean that time did not exist before Eden.

God writes much of the book of Genesis from a human perspective.

To us the world began when we became conscious of it. But to God the earth was prepared long before humans appeared upon it.

I respectfully say it is time for you to consider a change on your view of Genesis. For it is a story that embodies both creation AND evolution. For in order for things to evolve you must first have the "materials" necessary for them to evolve. The big bang theory begins to address this void in our understanding of creation.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (that is the big bang). Then after that you see a dark void appear and God has to repair that creation and revamp it (let there be light). Thus Eden begins and God forms humans from the dust of the ground. It does not say eh creates them from the dust from the ground because the dust of the ground has already been "created". (this is simple logic)

The Bible DOES teach evolution, as bold and apparent as one could get.

LET THE EARTH BRING FORTH...

Some are just stuck in the confusion of, when humans began to reckon days versus God's time clock.

Genesis subtly merges both perspectives of time and it takes one "aware" of God and likewise the human perspective of time to understand.

God "formed" man and woman from the dust of the ground...

Now if "Gensies" had really wanted to emphasize "creation" it would have said God winked and humans suddenly appeared... or something like that. But no, it says God "formed" them from the "dust"... the process of forming takes "time"... Eve was formed beside (rib) Adam.

How many forms did humans take on before God was finished forming them?

I wonder that if the Bible said it the way you would prefer it said whether if you would still find another reason to doubt it?

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xingu wrote:

I never could understand how people can be so foolish to believe in a God that will punish us for our religious beliefs. If we believe that our freedom of religion is good and proper, one of the greatest attributes of our country, why should we believe in a God that doesn't? Why do some believe in a God that can't measure up to our standards?

If, on the other hand, we believe freedom of religion is evil and people should be persecuted for their religious beliefs than I can understand their belief in a Biblical God that conforms to this practice. There would be no hypocrisy here. God has set the example and believers are following his actions.

If punishing people because of their religious beliefs is wrong than God is wrong.

It's not a matter of punishment for one's religious beliefs. It is more a matter of the consequence of not heeding a warning. At least that is my own interpretation. Folks who think all religions are false would obviously not see likewise.

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xingu wrote:

I never could understand how people can be so foolish to believe in a God that will punish us for our religious beliefs. If we believe that our freedom of religion is good and proper, one of the greatest attributes of our country, why should we believe in a God that doesn't? Why do some believe in a God that can't measure up to our standards?

If, on the other hand, we believe freedom of religion is evil and people should be persecuted for their religious beliefs than I can understand their belief in a Biblical God that conforms to this practice. There would be no hypocrisy here. God has set the example and believers are following his actions.

If punishing people because of their religious beliefs is wrong than God is wrong.

The purpose of "freedom of religion" is so that people can gradually gravitate toward the true faith of God in unity and peace. It is not so people can behave in grievous error but moderate and rational loving kindness toward God.

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I think slavery has to do with what we call being civilized.

Some people come from uncivilized places and it takes a kind of slow integration into a new culture in order for them to eventually win their freedom and become a citizen...

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RexRed wrote:

I think slavery has to do with what we call being civilized.

Some people come from uncivilized places and it takes a kind of slow integration into a new culture in order for them to eventually win their freedom and become a citizen...

how many years slavery do you think it should take for the average barbarian?

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