Why does the god of the Bible consider slavery to be moral??

neologist wrote:

As has been explained before:

Slavery and other human miseries came upon mankind as a result of the Edenic rebellion.

If you wish to know God's opinion of human miseries in general, you have only to observe the life and activities of his chief representative, Jesus.

God has promised that he will set all matters straight in his time.

If God is not acting fast enough for you, perhaps you should counsel God.

Scriptures available (again) on request.

No, Neo, you cannot get away from this by blaming anybody and anything else other than the speaker of the words, that is unless you want to face facts and look at the historical record instead of the myth.

Slavery arose because humans wanted to get more than what they had. It didn't have anything to do with a so-called Edenic rebellion. Making captive labor of the people you vanquished was a pretty good way, economically,not morally, to make money. (I know this was before money, but you get my drift.)

What the Israelites did for us was write down the rules they followed. They knew holding slaves wasn't a humane thing to do, that's precisely why they made up so many rules about it. The fiction, the falsehood, the weaselness here is for you, hank(mr. pick and choose my verses)arin and others to cover the inhumanity of the slaveholders in a mantle made supposedly of the words of god.

God has been victimized here too. He is stuck with the rap along with all who purport to know his ways. Of course, God's only excuse is that he doesn't exist.

Joe(what's a good price for a daughter?)Nation

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Joe Nation wrote:

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No, Neo, you cannot get away from this by blaming anybody and anything else other than the speaker of the words, that is unless you want to face facts and look at the historical record instead of the myth. . .

In a way, I wonder why Frank didn't start a thread entitled 'Why does the God of the bible consider death to be moral?' After all, God is described by believers as all powerful and all loving. But taken as a whole, the bible has an explanation of why we die. Not only that, but it contains God's promise to do away with death and to set all things straight. I realize that, in itself, is not sufficient reason to put faith in God. However it is what the bible relates.

So, when you talk about the 'speaker' of the words, you need to consider all of the words.

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neologist wrote:

As has been explained before:

Slavery and other human miseries came upon mankind as a result of the Edenic rebellion.

That explanation is in severe trouble. Joe has given his closing arguments to the jury here I expect a verdict of not guilty for Adam and Eve.

neologist wrote:

If you wish to know God's opinion of human miseries in general, you have only to observe the life and activities of his chief representative, Jesus.

God has promised that he will set all matters straight in his time.

If God is not acting fast enough for you, perhaps you should counsel God.

Scriptures available (again) on request.

Rather than address the dishonesty of your JW buddy in the previous post you simply attempt to divert attention with this apologetic nonsense.

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My argument has failed to convince the majority.

That is the fault of either the premise or the skill of the debater.

Quite obviously the latter.

But I am not likely to quit.

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neo: But I am not likely to quit.

I'll even put money on that! LOL

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cicerone imposter wrote:

neo: But I am not likely to quit.

I'll even put money on that! LOL

Why would I quit when in the company of such fine folks?

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Or any other reason you might have given. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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cicerone imposter wrote:

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Acts 10:34
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Comment: How can there be bond (slave) or free when God is no respecter of persons?

Which "God of the Bible" do you mean Frank?
The true God or the God of this world?

The true God or the false God?

Frank, you are taking the perception of God out of context, disregarding the "Biblical scope" of God's evolution in human consciousness.

God is no respecter of persons because the inner "person" of every believer is created by God in God's own image not a reflection of our own outer person.

So God sees us as he sees himself.... holy.

1Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

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RexRed wrote:

. . . Which "God of the Bible" do you mean Frank?
The true God or the God of this world? . . .

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neologist wrote:

RexRed wrote:
. . . Which "God of the Bible" do you mean Frank?
The true God or the God of this world? . . .

There are two seats of power.

One is the king of the kingdom of heaven and the other is the king of the kingdom of God.

The creator and the head of creation.

For creation is a creature with a body and a mind apart from God yet in his image.

This seat of power occupying creation was (before the king of kings Christ Jesus) occupied by the lucifer the God (theos) of this world.

This throne in the seat of creation is now occupied by the lord Christ Jesus. And though Jesus was equal to God "being a god over man" Jesus also perceived that God was the creator and he (Jesus) was the creation so he humbled himself to the throne of the almighty God and creator of all things.

The Bible does say there are two Gods because there are two thrones.

Lucifer used this throne of the creation in the beginning against God so God and the other angels cast lucifer out of heaven to the earth.

Adam then took this throne upon the earth and used it also against God by giving it's dominion to the serpent.

Thus the serpent became the God of this world.

It was Christ Jesus who freed us from this captivity and used this throne of power to glorify God and not himself.

2Corinthians 4:4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

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ho hum ho hum what a heap of ****. The bible was written by people. It's the people who wrote it who had no problem with slavery.

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Finally! The non believers' view expressed in complete elegance and simplicity.

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The biggest clue to knowing the bible was written by men is very simple; they made too many mistakes about 1) creation (they based the age of the world to what they knew at the time without the advantage of science), 2) the world flood (too many problems concerning this claim), and 3) contradictions (god is love, but he approves of slavery and killing).

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neologist wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:
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No, Neo, you cannot get away from this by blaming anybody and anything else other than the speaker of the words, that is unless you want to face facts and look at the historical record instead of the myth. . .
In a way, I wonder why Frank didn't start a thread entitled 'Why does the God of the bible consider death to be moral?' After all, God is described by believers as all powerful and all loving. But taken as a whole, the bible has an explanation of why we die. Not only that, but it contains God's promise to do away with death and to set all things straight. I realize that, in itself, is not sufficient reason to put faith in God. However it is what the bible relates.

So, when you talk about the 'speaker' of the words, you need to consider all of the words.

Ah. Finally, as you said a few posts ago, expressed in complete elegance and simplicity, your view : the bible is an explanation of why we die and contains a promise from god to do away with death and "set all things straight".

Beautifully said, Neo, but laid bare like that only exposes more greatly it's flaws. Any micro-biologist can tell you why we or any other living creature dies : our mitochondrial DNA begins failing to properly process proteins. Or we are attacked by bacteria or viruses that we cannot defeat with our defense systems. Or there is cellular level error in the replication of RNA and the resulting cancerous cells kill us.

Or we get hit by a bus. Or fall off a roof. Get shot in some stupid war.

These amongst many other reasons, but none of which has anything to do with an unknown supernatural power.

What your view of the world and death/redemption does is act as a calming agent, something anyone would apply to a child, for example, who is afraid of thunder.
"Don't worry. It's just the angels bowling."
Of course, when the child becomes a meteorologist and learns more about positive and negative charges in the atmosphere it will be time to re-visit the parent.

And that what I ask you: if you didn't know anything about the Bible, would you as an intelligent educated adult, still need a mythic explanation for why we die?

Life is good, Neo.

Joe(and it's enough)Nation

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Joe Nation wrote:

. . . And that what I ask you: if you didn't know anything about the Bible, would you as an intelligent educated adult, still need a mythic explanation for why we die?. . .

Didn't think I needed it, true.

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Joe Nation wrote:

[...Any micro-biologist can tell you why we or any other living creature dies : our mitochondrial DNA begins failing to properly process proteins. Or we are attacked by bacteria or viruses...

Those are mechanisms by which death occurs. They are how we die. The question of why we die implies an underlying purpose to death. Science is not equipped to answer that question. Its a metaphysical question. Its like asking why the Big Bang happened.

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neologist wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:
. . . And that what I ask you: if you didn't know anything about the Bible, would you as an intelligent educated adult, still need a mythic explanation for why we die?. . .
Didn't think I needed it, true.

But you do need one right? How come? Isn't this life good enough for you?

Joe(If it isn't, then any answer, biblical or otherwise, would fit the bill)Nation

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IFeelFree wrote:

Joe Nation wrote:
[...Any micro-biologist can tell you why we or any other living creature dies : our mitochondrial DNA begins failing to properly process proteins. Or we are attacked by bacteria or viruses...

Those are mechanisms by which death occurs. They are how we die. The question of why we die implies an underlying purpose to death. Science is not equipped to answer that question. Its a metaphysical question. Its like asking why the Big Bang happened.

The purpose of death is to end life. The purpose of your life is entirely up to you.

Joe(I hope you are having the time of your life every day)Nation

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Joe Nation wrote:

IFeelFree wrote:
Joe Nation wrote:
[...Any micro-biologist can tell you why we or any other living creature dies : our mitochondrial DNA begins failing to properly process proteins. Or we are attacked by bacteria or viruses...

Those are mechanisms by which death occurs. They are how we die. The question of why we die implies an underlying purpose to death. Science is not equipped to answer that question. Its a metaphysical question. Its like asking why the Big Bang happened.

The purpose of death is to end life. The purpose of your life is entirely up to you.

Joe(I hope you are having the time of your life every day)Nation

Sez you.

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