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How Much Medical Knowledge Do You Understand?

 
 
fishin
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 09:19 am
Piffka wrote:
I don't know of any computerized prescriptions. You know, security is so tight on some meds, even over-the-counter ones, that there'd be hackers from all over trying to break the system and the liability issues must be complicated.


My doc uses a automated system. He puts the prescription in the PC at his desk and I just go to the local pharmacy and pick it up. They used to do that with a phone call but now they just ask which pharmacy chain you use and you can pick it up at any of that chain's stores.

I thought this was fairly common but maybe not...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 09:25 am
Here, the doctor writes his/her prescription on on the computer .... and it is printed on the regular prescrition formula.
The pharmacist only has to scan it again for the insurance company .... after his printer added the price (Though some might send it by post.)
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 09:41 am
I understand all of the medical knowledge I possess.... otherwise it wouldn't be knowledge.....
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 11:38 am
fishin wrote:
My doc uses a automated system. He puts the prescription in the PC at his desk and I just go to the local pharmacy and pick it up. They used to do that with a phone call but now they just ask which pharmacy chain you use and you can pick it up at any of that chain's stores.

I thought this was fairly common but maybe not...


Not common practice that I've seen. I guess we're behind the times -- this is the left coast, after all. I checked the RCW (Revised Code of Washington) and there are provisions for computerized prescriptions:

from: RCWs > Title 69 > Chapter 69.41 > Section 69.41.010
RCW 69.41.010
Definitions.
(10) "Electronic communication of prescription information" means the communication of prescription information by computer, or the transmission of an exact visual image of a prescription by facsimile, or other electronic means for original prescription information or prescription refill information for a legend drug between an authorized practitioner and a pharmacy or the transfer of prescription information for a legend drug from one pharmacy to another pharmacy.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 12:10 pm
at our doctor's office , all prescriptions are phoned to the pharmacy of choice by the doctor'secretary .
for "refills" we usually take the origian label from the container back to the doctor - so they'll just phone in the prescription number .
for "new" medications , we have to see the pharmacists who explains about the medication and also hands us a prescrption sheet .

every few months we ask the pharmacist to print out our prescription record which we take along if we have to go to the hospital or see a specialist - a lot easier than trying to remember - at least at our age :wink: .
hbg
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 01:43 pm
fishin wrote:
Piffka wrote:
I don't know of any computerized prescriptions. You know, security is so tight on some meds, even over-the-counter ones, that there'd be hackers from all over trying to break the system and the liability issues must be complicated.


My doc uses a automated system. He puts the prescription in the PC at his desk and I just go to the local pharmacy and pick it up. They used to do that with a phone call but now they just ask which pharmacy chain you use and you can pick it up at any of that chain's stores.

I thought this was fairly common but maybe not...


It's been in use long before the the invention of the PC. Many Rxs were called and many others were faxed in. Pharmacy law requires that all such transactions be followed up by a "hard copy".
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 01:46 pm
Not long ago, a man ( very unhappy with his present wife ) hacked into the computer system in a major Boston hospital and was able to change the dosages of various medications his wife was receiving. As a result, his wife became seriously ill, and as far as I can recall she eventually died in the hospital as a result of these changes in medication orders.
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Miller
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 01:49 pm
Piffka wrote:
fishin wrote:
My doc uses a automated system. He puts the prescription in the PC at his desk and I just go to the local pharmacy and pick it up. They used to do that with a phone call but now they just ask which pharmacy chain you use and you can pick it up at any of that chain's stores.

I thought this was fairly common but maybe not...


Not common practice that I've seen. I guess we're behind the times -- this is the left coast, after all. I checked the RCW (Revised Code of Washington) and there are provisions for computerized prescriptions:

from: RCWs > Title 69 > Chapter 69.41 > Section 69.41.010
RCW 69.41.010
Definitions.
(10) "Electronic communication of prescription information" means the communication of prescription information by computer, or the transmission of an exact visual image of a prescription by facsimile, or other electronic means for original prescription information or prescription refill information for a legend drug between an authorized practitioner and a pharmacy or the transfer of prescription information for a legend drug from one pharmacy to another pharmacy.


Please remember that all pharmacies in the USA must obey BOTH the Federal Pharmacy Laws and the State Laws, which are specific to the State in which the Rx is written and filled.
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Piffka
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 02:51 pm
Miller wrote:
Not long ago, a man ( very unhappy with his present wife ) hacked into the computer system...



Wow. This sounds like a great episode for the TV show House.
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cello
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 06:47 pm
Thanks for the welcome, Piffka. Smile Nice to know that about the generic drugs, I did not realize there are so many differences with the brand names. I read one article that says that if you start on a brand name for example, you are better off to remain on the same instead of switching to generic and back to brand name on and off, because the drug would not be so effective. From what you said, looks like it may be true.

I have a question about the computerized prescriptions that are printed out. Are they signed by the doctors? Because if they are, it would be such an easy way to avoid the handwriting.
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tessxyz
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 07:44 pm
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My dear Tessyz... Surely you jest! You know lots more about the computer than you let on and also about your car.

I am not sure where you get the idea that I want to prescribe for myself. What I want to do is be a careful consumer. They way I do that is be being a specialist in myself and I'm taught by my eminently qualified physicians.


I do understand that you would like to be a careful consumer. To be such a person you need to make a judgment, what is better for you.
This drug or maybe the other, this physician or surgeon or maybe somebody else?
To make a proper judgment you need a data to make the right decision.
Tell me can you get this data from Internet or medical encyclopedia?

Let me also raise the stakes in our little dispute a bit higher.
You face a complicated surgery due to a complex illness.

Majority of people having a choice will look at iatrogenic statistic concerning available hospitals. What will be your choice
Surgeon with high number of iatrogenic cases or the one with low ?
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tessxyz
 
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Reply Wed 28 Feb, 2007 07:46 pm
Laughing
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Miller wrote:
Not long ago, a man ( very unhappy with his present wife ) hacked into the computer system...



Wow. This sounds like a great episode for the TV show House.


This sounds like a great idea Twisted Evil
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Piffka
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2007 11:28 am
Long, possibly boring... Five Examples
Iatrogenic? Ahhh, Tessxyz, you scare me with your big Greek words! I had to go to the internet to be sure of its meaning. An interesting word, first coined in 1924 and not in common use. It was what I thought you meant, but I like to make sure. (Being a good consumer, I check my sources.) As it happens, I am already aware of which hospitals in my area are considered "good" and which are "iffy." Even the best can have bad days, however. I was reading about the medicalisation of life today and found this little quote in the BMJ, said to come from George Bernard Shaw:

"Make it compulsory for a doctor using a brass plate to have inscribed on it, in addition to the letters indicating his qualifications, the words `Remember that I too am mortal.'"


As for choosing non-iatrogenic surgeons, my doctor gives me the recommendations, of course. She'll point out two or three on the list to whom SHE would go. She knows that I prefer women and immigrants since they, in my mind, try harder. In almost every case, I will make the final choice and call their office.

You asked for my sources... I look at websites from the NIH and its Medline, the CDC and sometimes, the Mayo Clinic. I may even check my Merck manual, although it is slightly out of date, but handy when I'm away from my computer.


And now I'll bore you a little with five examples:

It is from the CDC that I saw I should have some innoculations before a trip last month. I called the doctor's office, spoke to her nurse (aptly named "Candy" as in candy-striper) and made arrangements to have a HepA and, while I expected just a tetanus booster, elected at Candy's advice to go with the new Tdap. Candy is amazing at giving innoculations -- like that Daoist butcher, Ding, whose knives never got dull, she also can find the "spaces in-between" and prides herself on painless shots. I did not see my physician.

Everyone (imo) has a lot more information about medicine than is realized. We don't go to the physician every day or even every month. We go WHEN WE THINK WE SHOULD. We have a list of symptoms in our heads that are: 1) necessary to be checked out, 2) can be doctored on our own, 3) that we just watch and see. As we age we collect symptoms which we may have experienced earlier in our lives. Doctors would be overwhelmed if they were called upon to make every decision about our health. An example for me is labyrinthitis. The first time I had that, I rushed to my doctor... it seemed to come on suddenly, I was dizzy... signs of stroke. Ho-hum, says doc, with a quick test of having me lay back and turn my head suddenly. Take this, she says, it might make you sleepy (but you won't be dizzy). It makes me very sleepy and I hate it. Next time I have symptoms of labyrinthitis and no other stroke signs, I decide to live through it and not go to the MD. Have I prescribed for myself? I also have most of the pills left over from the last episode. The bottle says they are still potent. Should I take them?

I rupture my Achilles tendon while playing soccer. It is found to be at least 99% separated (I cannot walk at all, there is a bulge in my leg, x-rays taken). The orthopaedic surgeon says, "I could repair this surgically OR I could splint it." He describes the two procedures and what I can expect. And then he says, "It is your choice."

Another example... I am having my first treadmill test during a physical. It seems rather short. I'm sent home. A minute after I get home I receive a call from the doctor's office. They'd like me to see a cardiologist. (Okay, says I.) Can I be there in half an hour? (Well, says I, I'd like to change out of these gym clothes.) No, they say. Not necessary to change, please go as fast as you can.... are you okay to drive? (!!!?!) I get to the cardio in 20 minutes wearing shorts and a teeshirt. I'm immediately ushered into the rarified air of the cardio's office. I note HE is dressed immaculately and wears beautiful shoes; he's from India and so new that he doesn't yet have his name on the Cardio Clinic stationery. He's already looked at the results of the treadmill test. You have two choices, says he. We can do a cardiac catheterization or another, "more stressful" stress test. He tells me what each entails. And then he says, "It is your choice." [Later, on finding out from my MD that for women, those stress-tests are known to have 25% false-positive results, I might have made a different decision, but she errs on the side of caution.]

Last one... I am having my first baby. I've been struggling for twenty hours as she is, in a word, stuck. The Ob-Gyn says, "Well, I guess I'll go to lunch and if you aren't any further along, we'd better consider a C-Section." Oh no, says I. Let's just go ahead and get that knife prepared... thank you very much. You can have your lunch after. Very Happy My baby is born before noon. (This doctor later leaves the profession under the dark cloud of too many lawsuits. Sad, I liked him, but I did make the right choice for myself as he waffled over what to do.)


I hope this "little dispute" has settled down and we can be friends. Truly, I am an admirable patient, respectful, even amenable, and my doctor likes me very much. Of course, I pay my bills. ;-)
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Montana
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2007 12:10 pm
Bookmark.

Great thread!

I haven't read the whole thread yet, but am in total agreement with you, Phoenix.

I also agree on the car thing. My son is a car nut, so he teaches me stuff, which ends up saving me money. It also helps to know how to change a tire and little tricks you can try if your car breaks down. My son and I went to the store one day and I couldn't get the car started when we were ready to leave, so my son took someething (don't remember what), held the little plate to the carburator open and said "start her up mom", so I did. Saved me $ for a tow and the wait time (I live in the boonies).

When it comes to my health, no one cares more about than me, so I always thought it was a good idea to keep myself informed on anything that happens to be going on with my body.
Before I went to see my doc with symptoms I was having last year, I did research on my symptoms and by the time I reached the docs office, I already had a pretty good idea that I had acid reflux.
My doc agreed and sent me for the required tests to find out for sure and we were right. At the same time, a hiatal hernea (spelling?) was found (minor), so I did research on that too.
I research all meds before taking them, as well.
I find medical stuff interesting, so I enjoy learning as much as I can anyway, but I think it's important for all of us to keep a step ahead of our health.
Doctors don't have x-ray vision and can't feel what we feel, so I think it's always best to have as much information to give them as possible. If you have something that needs immediate attention, you don't want to be wasting any time with unnecessary tests.

Same with meds. I know I want to know the risks, side effects, etc in anything I take. Some of those meds are down right deadly and if I can do without, I will.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2007 12:58 pm
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If you have something that needs immediate attention


Then...don't wast your time trying to treat yourself, (unless you have an MD) get help fast.
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Montana
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2007 08:23 pm
Yeah, of course Laughing

I wasn't talking about emergency situations and I should have phrased that better.
I just meant that it doesn't hurt to keep yourself informed, if of course, you're not in the middle of a heart attack or your leg just got chopped off or something of that nature ;-)
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TTH
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2007 08:56 pm
I live in the state of WA and it is true that Doctors send prescriptions to the pharmacies by ways of their computers. I find Pharmacists to be very intelligent and updated as far as knowledge in medications. I feel a person should stay informed as much as possible these days when it comes to just about anything.
I went to the pharmacy one time to pick up a prescription
(antibiotic) and after I got home I looked at the bottle and it was a bottle of narcotics. It was my name on the bottle. I felt bad for the pharmacist and tech. who let that go out because I knew them. I also knew the right thing to do, or in my case, the only thing to do was to take it back to the pharmacy. I knew that would have negative consequences for the people that worked there. I had no choice but to do what I felt was right.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2007 09:34 pm
TTH- Of course you did the right thing. You needed an antibiotic. If you hadn't gotten the correct presciption, what would you have done about the condition that the antibiotic was supposed to treat?
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TTH
 
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Reply Thu 1 Mar, 2007 09:52 pm
Not only that phoenix, but maybe that narcotic was meant for someone that needed it (case of dieing). Thank you for your topic.

Where I live a dieing lady had a prescription at a pharmacy (I will keep nameless) that she normally goes to. Well, the prescription ran out and she went to that pharmacy with a written prescription on a Friday evening after her doctor's office closed. The pharmacist refused to fill it because he felt it was a fake. The rest really doesn't matter. He would not fill it or give it back to the lady to take elsewhere. The prescription was not fake. She went the entire weekend in a great deal of pain.
(She sued and won btw)
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Miller
 
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Reply Fri 2 Mar, 2007 12:07 am
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Next time I have symptoms of labyrinthitis and no other stroke signs, I decide to live through it and not go to the MD.



There are excercises you can do with your head, that'll help to keep the vertigo/labyrinthitis away.
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