Boxer's Low Blow

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As for not "paying the price",I have permanent wounds suffered in Nassiriyah in Iraq during this war,so I have paid more thenmost have.

Thanks for the benefit, but I never said anything about you, or any other soldier, not paying the price. I said that there are those who have not lost a loved one, but they are still paying financially for Bush's War (tm). I am sorry that you got injured in such a wasteful venture.

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Have you lost a loved one in Iraq?

Not yet, but with one going back for their third tour, I am hoping their luck is still holding.

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You show a very discerning trait by being a fan of Rush Limbaugh, good for you.

I'm not a fan of RL. My radio has a "windbag filter" that prevents it from tuning in to him. Sean Hannity, too. Very Happy

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"Who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price," Boxer said. "My kids are too old, and my grandchild is too young."

Then, to Rice: "You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family."

this is what all the whining and pissing like little bitches from the right is all about?

You've spent the last six years with your little peckers out calling the dems and the left whiners and to get over it..... now suddenly you're sensitive to the feelings of others.... give me a f*cking break Laughing

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Time Lord wrote:

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As for not "paying the price",I have permanent wounds suffered in Nassiriyah in Iraq during this war,so I have paid more thenmost have.

Thanks for the benefit, but I never said anything about you, or any other soldier, not paying the price. I said that there are those who have not lost a loved one, but they are still paying financially for Bush's War (tm). I am sorry that you got injured in such a wasteful venture.

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Have you lost a loved one in Iraq?

Not yet, but with one going back for their third tour, I am hoping their luck is still holding.

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You show a very discerning trait by being a fan of Rush Limbaugh, good for you.

I'm not a fan of RL. My radio has a "windbag filter" that prevents it from tuning in to him. Sean Hannity, too.

Does that "windbag filter" also block Al Franken and Air America?
Does it also block Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton?
Does it also block all of the other left wing,liberal commentators on the radio?

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LoneStarMadam wrote:

"I heard that even some of the dems are trying to put daylight between yjemselves & Boxer because of her personal attack on Rice.
My oh my, what must the feminists think of Boxer now? "

How is Boxer's remark a "personal attack" on Rice? Is referring to someone as "childless" an insult? Is it like centuries ago, when childless women were considered flawed and called "barren"?

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Synonymph wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:
"I heard that even some of the dems are trying to put daylight between yjemselves & Boxer because of her personal attack on Rice.
My oh my, what must the feminists think of Boxer now? "

How is Boxer's remark a "personal attack" on Rice? Is referring to someone as "childless" an insult? Is it like centuries ago, when childless women were considered flawed and called "barren"?

STOP WINKING AT ME!

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Sorry. Beagles are just so irresistible.

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Synonymph wrote:

LoneStarMadam wrote:
"I heard that even some of the dems are trying to put daylight between yjemselves & Boxer because of her personal attack on Rice.
My oh my, what must the feminists think of Boxer now? "

How is Boxer's remark a "personal attack" on Rice? Is referring to someone as "childless" an insult? Is it like centuries ago, when childless women were considered flawed and called "barren"?

The implication was that since Rice was unmarried & childless that her input or understanding of military members was not valid. that's poppycock & an insult to all unmarried &/or childless women because it implies that Rice is not capable of understanding. If that's the case, then Boxer falls into the same catagory of not understanding by her own words. "My children are too old to go & my grandchild is too young". So, my question, what the hell does Barbara Boxer know?
I wouldn't know about centuries ago, I'm talking about the here & now.

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LSM -

Implications. Gotta love 'em.

Everyone has his or her own interpretation.

Implications aside, Boxer's statement was a statement of fact. Neither woman has an "immediate family member" to lose in the Iraq "war."

You can put your own spin on someone's else's words until your face turns blue (or red, as the case may be).

The Politics Forums... I can't be arsed to waste my time on them.

Carry on.

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Synonymph wrote:

LSM -

Implications. Gotta love 'em.

Everyone has his or her own interpretation.

Implications aside, Boxer's statement was a statement of fact. Neither woman has an "immediate family member" to lose in the Iraq "war."

You can put your own spin on someone's else's words until your face turns blue (or red, as the case may be).

The Politics Forums... I can't be arsed to waste my time on them.

Carry on.

I'm sorry you wasted your time in posting about what i said....BTW-why did you waste your time?

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a) condi rice is in fact childless.

b) as such, she will not know the misery of losing her child in this war.

c) noting these facts is not a low blow, but an acurate description of rice's status.

d) boxer included herself as one who will not be affected that way as well.

e) the new york post has always been viewed as a "joke paper" (even before murdoch bought it). one of my all time favorite front pages from when i lived in manhattan was the one featuring the photographed head of adolph hitler superimposed onto a drawn female body. the headline ?

"HITLER WAS A WOMAN !!"

yup. that's what i call real journalism. good for a giggle on the train and balancing a bagel on, that's about it.

but hey, wtf, what's really important is that all the "dead enders" that still love the the bush administration have something to start pounding the outrage button about, right ?

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DontTreadOnMe wrote:

a) condi rice is in fact childless.

b) as such, she will not know the misery of losing her child in this war.

c) noting these facts is not a low blow, but an acurate description of rice's status.

d) boxer included herself as one who will not be affected that way as well.

e) the new york post has always been viewed as a "joke paper" (even before murdoch bought it). one of my all time favorite front pages from when i lived in manhattan was the one featuring the photographed head of adolph hitler superimposed onto a drawn female body. the headline ?

"HITLER WAS A WOMAN !!"

yup. that's what i call real journalism. good for a giggle on the train and balancing a bagel on, that's about it.

but hey, wtf, what's really important is that all the "dead enders" that still love the the bush administration have something to start pounding the outrage button about, right ?

If a repub Senator had made the same remarks about a Dem SoS,would you still support the comment as being acceptable?

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mysteryman wrote:

If a repub Senator had made the same remarks about a Dem SoS,would you still support the comment as being acceptable?

You'll understand once you've grasped the definition of 'fact'.

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Consider this statement from Laura Bush in an interview in People magazine before the Boxer/Rice exchange. Mrs. Bush was commenting on Rice's possible candidacy for president in 2008.

Laura Bush: "Dr. Rice, who I think would be a really good candidate, is not interested. Probably because she is single, her parents are no longer living, she's an only child. You need a very supportive family and supportive friends to have this job."

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http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20004374_2,00.html

And Boxer's comment from the hearing:

Boxer: "Who pays the price? I'm not going to pay a personal price. My kids are too old and my grandchild is too young. You're not going to pay a particular price, as I understand it, with an immediate family. So who pays the price? The American military and their families." (Jan. 11, 2007)

Why wasn't Mrs. Bush taken to task also?

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Barbara Boxer put herself in the same category as Rice. Boxer pointed out that she had no family at the age to be affected, and Rice had no family to be affected, but that others DO have family which will be affected and that Rice should think about them.

She did not draw a distinction between herself and Rice, instead she pointed out that they were both in the same situation.

Fact is, this whole thread is an attempt to sidetrack the question of whether or not we should send 20,000 additional troops to Iraq. The polls indicate the decision is even less popular than Bush himself, and Bush is not very popular.

So to divert attention from the unpopularity of Bush's plan, and to give their conservative supporters something to get angry at, conservatives such as the NY Post harp on this Boxer situation. The idea is to make it seem that the real issue is that Condoleeza Rice is not being treated courteously by liberals instead of focusing on the fact that Rice's decisions and the positions she defends are disastrous.

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Barbara Boxer is living proof that short peopole should be shot.

Strident, mean-spirited and without consideration for others, her only saving grace is that she isn't very bright. Even Jeff Skilling made her look like a fool during the ENRON hearings.

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georgeob1 wrote:

Barbara Boxer is living proof that short peopole should be shot.

Strident, mean-spirited and without consideration for others, her only saving grace is that she isn't very bright. Even Jeff Skilling made her look like a fool during the ENRON hearings.

Maybe so, but look where Skilling is today versus where she is.

The above post qualifies as 'angsty.' After the last election, you'll see many other posts such as this.

Cycloptichorn

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No, my feelings for Boxer were the same several years ago when in a restaurant in Mill Valley I saw an interesting scene -- Boxer was having lunch with some aides when a woman, an evident political admirer, came up to her table and, politely, in a soft voice, expressed her admiration and support. Boxer curtly, and in a very loud voice, cut her off and told the admirer to leave. I quickly got over my amazement and chagrin at the scene. However I suspect the condition of the short little bitch is permanent.

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mysteryman wrote:

If a repub Senator had made the same remarks about a Dem SoS,would you still support the comment as being acceptable?

yep.

and a happy new year to ya mystery. Very Happy

lieberman is in very much the same place as rice. though he has both a son and a stepson, neither are likely to enter the military short of a draft. but he is a vocal supporter of the bush doctorine. lieberman was elected as an indie because of his position on the war, but on nearly every other topic he is still a committed dem.

jim webb, on the other hand is a very interesting case. decorated vet, father of an active serviceman, was republican and ran as an "anti-iraq war" candidate.

really, in my opinion, boxer made a valid observation, and a very simple one.

but, it's more politically expedient, for some, to ignore the message and instead direct attention from it by bitching about the paper it's written on.

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georgeob1 wrote:

No, my feelings for Boxer were the same several years ago when in a restaurant in Mill Valley I saw an interesting scene -- Boxer was having lunch with some aides when a woman, an evident political admirer, came up to her table and, politely, in a soft voice, expressed her admiration and support. Boxer curtly, and in a very loud voice, cut her off and told the admirer to leave. I quickly got over my amazement and chagrin at the scene. However I suspect the condition of the short little bitch is permanent.

Obviously, you got over nothing, George. Maybe you read it right, in which case, Ms Boxer could well have been taken to task for that incident. But given that most of what you write/say comes across as a man with a nose well worn from the nose ring, this too must be taken with a bag of salt.

Conveniently, she just happens to be a Democrat. Where have you written criticism of any number of politicians who have done slightly more offensive things?

Your deep seated bias is all too glaringly apparent.

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