Creationism is false

real life wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:
Evolution is falsifiable. If we found lots of fossils of hominids in precambrian rock that would pretty well shake the foundations of science.
How would that falsify evolution?

because it would be evidence that flatly contradicts the theory. Therefore we would have to accept the evidence as genuine and reject the theory of evolution, or reject the evidence as either mistaken or fraudulant. Do I really have to spell this out?

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Steve 41oo wrote:

real life wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
Evolution is falsifiable. If we found lots of fossils of hominids in precambrian rock that would pretty well shake the foundations of science.
How would that falsify evolution?
because it would be evidence that flatly contradicts the theory. Therefore we would have to accept the evidence as genuine and reject the theory of evolution, or reject the evidence as either mistaken or fraudulant. Do I really have to spell this out?

He doesn't think that scientists or the scientific community are that honest.

He doesn't have any basis for that opinion, but religionists really don't require any rational basis for anything they believe do they?

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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3425507507337301974&q=privileged+planet

Their are rational reasons to believe....if you can bear to look.

God loves you.

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I'm watching. Fifteen minutes in there's nothing that suggests any god.
But it's interesting, so I'll keep watching.

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Bartikus wrote:

Their are rational reasons to believe....if you can bear to look.

God loves you.

You spelled 'their' wrong. It should be 'there', not 'their'.

What God loves me?

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"For as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end. Observe, for instance, the nose is formed for spectacles, therefore we wear spectacles. The legs are visibly designed for stockings, accordingly we wear stockings."
Voltaire

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Another possibility, other than that the universe was created by an intelligent creator, is that the universe itself is alive and intelligent. This is consistent with an idea I've been thinking about. I call it the Living Everything.

This documentary certainly does not advocate a god in the theistic sense of the word.

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Cyracuz wrote:

Another possibility, other than that the universe was created by an intelligent creator, is that the universe itself is alive and intelligent.

Since we are intelligent, and since we are a natural part of the universe, does that mean that the universe is intelligent?

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Maybe. Or maybe our intelligence is just an extension of the intelligence that made it all happen the way it did.

But for this line of thought I suspect that we'd have to really define the word "intelligent". There is the way intelligence works in sentient beings, such as humans, but are we able to concieve of a way that intelligence can function within other frames?

Philosophically speaking, mind you. Not theologically.

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I think the film at least points to the real possibilty of creation. Too much evidence to simply ignore. The irony is these discoveries came about much to the credit of those who believed earth was of no special significance and by following their lead. (Copernicus...Carl Sagan)

The universe itself is a product of an intelligence.

We did not come about by chance.

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Cyracuz wrote:

Another possibility, other than that the universe was created by an intelligent creator, is that the universe itself is alive and intelligent. This is consistent with an idea I've been thinking about. I call it the Living Everything.

This documentary certainly does not advocate a god in the theistic sense of the word.

Maybe both are true.

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Maybe. Who knows. But it doens't mention god. It just mentions that there might be intelligence behind the making of the universe.

But if we look at organisms here on earth that aren't in possession of what we conventionally label intelligence, we see that they are still "intelligent" at some cellular level; able to alter according to external influences in order to survive.

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Cyracuz wrote:

Maybe. Who knows. But it doens't mention god. It just mentions that there might be intelligence behind the making of the universe.

What title do you think would be appropriate for the very intelligence that possibly was behind the making of the entire universe if not....God?

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The Living Everything

And it did not make the universe. It IS the universe, realizing itself.

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Not everything lives.

What intelligence brought this living everything about? Itself?

The universe outside earth.....shows no evidence of life.

Are you saying that humans are the "living everything" realizing itself?

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Well, that depends on how you look at it.

Everything, right up to the event of living creatures, up to sentient intelligent creature, had to happen as it did for this eventuality to become reality.

Also, this dualistic distinction we make, -life/non-life, is an abstraction that the mind knows. The world knows no distinction. There is only one indivisible reality. Due to our predisposition we can only percieve it in parts, hence the illuson of separateness, of dualism and all other human concepts.

Frankly, I was not surprised at all by the ideas presented in the video, because I've long held the belief that the entire universe in one living thing.

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Bartikus wrote:

Cyracuz wrote:
Maybe. Who knows. But it doens't mention god. It just mentions that there might be intelligence behind the making of the universe.

What title do you think would be appropriate for the very intelligence that possibly was behind the making of the entire universe if not....God?

How about Steve?
Jim?
Kyle?
Bob?
Thor?
Allah?
Satan?
Asshole?

I'm sure that the Christian god makes the most sense to you as well right?

Let me follow your logic.

1) The video shows that creation is possible.
2) Since creation is possible, it must be true.
3) Some intelligence must have created everything.
4) This intelligence must have been the Christian god just because it is the only god that makes any sense.

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Bartikus wrote:

Are you saying that humans are the "living everything" realizing itself?

Well, yes and no. Humans are part of the LE, in the same way that braincells are part of the human body. And in the same way that it doesn't make much sense to define a human being according to which type of cells make up the total entity, it doesn't make much sense to define the LE according to singularities we percieve within it.

This intelligence of which we speak could have begun as something very simple. As is mentioned in the video, the equations that describe our universe are surprisingly simple.

But language has it's restraints, and so we are forced to resort to endless specifications. I say "could have begun", but that is an inacurate way to percieve it. Our human percepton has made us familiar to such notions as beginnings and endings. But this LE doesn't neccesarily require a beginning or end. Concepts that apply to our human existece may be void of meaning when we talk about a reality that trancends our perception.

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Cyracuz wrote:

Another possibility, other than that the universe was created by an intelligent creator, is that the universe itself is alive and intelligent.

Since we are intelligent, and since we are a natural part of the universe, does that mean that the universe is intelligent?

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Cyracuz wrote:

Another possibility, other than that the universe was created by an intelligent creator, is that the universe itself is alive and intelligent.

Since we are intelligent, and since we are a natural part of the universe, does that mean that the universe is intelligent?

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