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Sorry but I'll be washing my hair then.

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 09:27 am
msolga wrote:
osso is a Nice Person.


Roger is a RAT!!!!



And he will pay! Evil or Very Mad



Seriously, though, a president NOT attending a former president's funeral is pretty bad form in anyone's book. Yes?

You could say rude & insulting.

I mean it's part of the job description. Right?

What's up with this Bush person? Confused


The funeral for President Ford has not happened yet.
His state funeral will be on tuesday.
After that he will be flown to Michigan for burial.

The President didnt miss what hasnt happened yet.

There was a private funeral service in Palm Springs that the President did not attend,but that was for family members,and was not open to anyone.

Is your hatred of Bush such that you condemn him for not attending something that hasnt occurred?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 09:43 am
yes :wink:
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 03:38 pm
dlowan wrote:
msolga wrote:
But I am!

Shocked



He WAS an ass, fercrissake!!!!!

Eeyore is a donkey, aka ass.


Twisted Evil




Ah, the Eeyore phase! Idea

I see!

Now if you called Roger that while he was being a rat ......
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 03:42 pm
mysteryman wrote:
Is your hatred of Bush such that you condemn him for not attending something that hasnt occurred?


Well I'm certainly not impressed, that's for sure!

So he looks like going to the official ceremony, then?
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 04:17 pm
mysteryman wrote:
There was a private funeral service in Palm Springs that the President did not attend,but that was for family members,and was not open to anyone.

A private funeral service for family members, that was attended by Dick Cheney, Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez? What am I missing here?
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 04:25 pm
OK, so what happened was that on Saturday, there was an "arrival ceremony" in Washington DC, for dignitaries. That was where Dick Cheney spoke, and that was, I presume, the event that Bush, Reid, Pelosi, 500 Congressmen etc failed to attend.

Yesterday and today, Ford lied in state for public viewing, for ordinary Americans to pay their respects.

The Bushes paid respect to Ford in viewing the casket in silence upon their return to Washington today; so did Pelosi.

Tomorrow morning, Ford's remains will rest outside the Senate chamber before the funeral service at Washington National Cathedral. President Bush will deliver a eulogy at the cathedral service.

nimh wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
There was a private funeral service in Palm Springs that the President did not attend,but that was for family members,and was not open to anyone.

A private funeral service for family members, that was attended by Dick Cheney, Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez? What am I missing here?
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 04:30 pm
nimh wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
There was a private funeral service in Palm Springs that the President did not attend,but that was for family members,and was not open to anyone.

A private funeral service for family members, that was attended by Dick Cheney, Attorney-General Alberto Gonzales and Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez? What am I missing here?


The private funeral in Palm Springs was on Friday. No one expected, or invited, GWB to attend.

The state funeral was on Saturday. Much of the government leadership, i.e.,"The State" chose not to attend.

The national day of mourning and public funeral will be on Tuesday at the National Cathedral. Bush and Co. are expected to have finished chopping wood, skiing, visiting, etc., by then and make an appearance.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 04:44 pm
JPB wrote:
The state funeral was on Saturday. Much of the government leadership, i.e.,"The State" chose not to attend.


Really?
Usually one hears more about these events in the media. Not so this time.
And one would surely expect that the current president of the USA would attend the state funeral of a previous president.
Very odd indeed. Sad
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 04:45 pm
More disgusting than odd, in my estimation.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 04:48 pm
JPB wrote:
The state funeral was on Saturday. Much of the government leadership, i.e.,"The State" chose not to attend.

Thanks for the additional info. Yes, true, the "arrival ceremony" I mentioned where Cheney spoke is identified in many other reports as the actual state funeral.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 04:50 pm
nimh wrote:
JPB wrote:
The state funeral was on Saturday. Much of the government leadership, i.e.,"The State" chose not to attend.

Thanks for the additional info. Yes, true, the "arrival ceremony" I mentioned where Cheney spoke is identified in many other reports as the actual state funeral.

Well, no actually, perhaps its not that simple after all. Another news reports phrases it such:

Quote:
U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney [..] attended the brief arrival ceremony and was one of the honorary pallbearers. The arrival opened the Washington portion of Ford's state funeral, with a route taking his casket [..] over the Memorial Bridge to the U.S. Capitol for the first service and a lying in state that continues until Tuesday.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 04:56 pm
Yeah, I noticed that Fox news made no mention of a state funeral, but referred to a national funeral on Tuesday. The other sites I checked referred to a state funeral on Saturday and a national funeral on Tuesday.
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nimh
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 05:01 pm
This is from Wikipedia: Death and state funeral of Gerald Ford

Quote:
Funeral arrangements

The Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region (JFHQ-NCR)/Military District of Washington (MDW), which oversees state funerals, retains the funeral plans written out by Ford prior to his death. Ford requested a state funeral and a burial in the courtyard of his presidential museum, the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Museum, in Grand Rapids, Michigan. The state funeral took place at the U.S. Capitol on Saturday, December 30, 2006, with a further service on 2 January at Washington National Cathedral.

Upon the death of U.S. Presidents, the nation's flags are ordered flown at half staff for 30 days after the death. President George W. Bush declared a national day of mourning for President Ford on Tuesday, January 2, 2007, to mark the funeral service.

Vice President Dick Cheney will accompany the Ford family to Grand Rapids for the interment.[7]

Army Major General Guy C. Swan III, commanding general of the MDW (CG MDW) and JFHQ-NCR, will escort Betty Ford.

[..]

Events in Washington

The events in Washington, D.C., began on December 30, when Ford's body arrived at Andrews Air Force Base that evening. From there, it was driven by hearse in a simple procession, passing through Alexandria, Virginia, to pay tribute to where he lived when in the House, into the capital city, pausing by the National World War II Memorial to pay tribute to his service in the Navy during World War II, and onto Capitol Hill. [..]

Capitol Hill events

On arrival at the Capitol, the casket was carried up the steps to the House chamber for a brief period of repose before being taken to the rotunda to lie in state on Abraham Lincoln's catafalque.

The Rev. Daniel Coughlin, the House of Representatives' chaplain, gave the invocation. Eulogies were delivered by Senate President pro tempore Ted Stevens, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, and Vice President Dick Cheney.

After the eulogies, the eulogists laid a wreath, the Rev. Barry Black, Senate chaplain gave the benediction. The dignitaries, which included members of Congress, the United States Supreme Court, and members of the diplomatic corps and others, paid their respects during the next half hour.

Public viewing

The doors were opened to the public after the dignitaries filed by. The Capitol Rotunda remained open until midnight EST.

Viewing continued through Sunday, December 31 and Monday, January 1. People visited the rotunda at a rate of 2,500 an hour.

State funeral

The Capitol Rotunda will be closed early on Tuesday morning, January 2, 2007 to allow preparations for the second half of Washington ceremonies, to be held at the Washington National Cathedral. Ford's casket will be taken from the Rotunda to the Senate side of the Capitol, signaling his time as Vice President (who, according to the Constitution, serves as President of the Senate). The casket will be taken down the Senate steps and to a waiting hearse for the trip to the National Cathedral for a mid-morning service. [..]

Looks like there's some confusion on whether Saturday's event, at which various dignitaries attended but not Bush, Reid etc, constituted the "state funeral" in itself, or whether that ceremony constituted only the first half of the state funeral, and tomorrow's events, at which Bush, Pelosi etc are attending, are also still part of the state funeral.
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 05:03 pm
GWB no-showed at the service for Ronald Reagan as well. He had a better excuse that time.

Quote:
On Capitol Hill, Reagan's casket was carried up the west front steps, mainly because Reagan was first inaugurated there and he wanted to face west, toward California. Additionally, construction work was being done on the Capitol Visitors Center on the East side.

Two teams of military body bearers carried the coffin up the steps of the Capitol, straining at the weight of the coffin and the steepness of the steps. They would do the same thing when the coffin was brought out two days later.

The casket was placed under the rotunda, where it lay in state on Abraham Lincoln's catafalque. The Rev. Daniel Coughlin, the House of Representatives' chaplain, gave the invocation. Eulogies were delivered by Senate President pro tempore Ted Stevens, House Speaker Dennis Hastert, and Vice President Dick Cheney.[4]Normally the service would have been presided over by the president, but Bush was hosting the G-8 Summit in Sea Island, Georgia.

After the eulogies, the eulogists laid a wreath, the Rev. Barry Black, Senate chaplain gave the benediction. The dignitaries, which included members of Congress, the United States Supreme Court, and members of the diplomatic corps and others, paid their respects during the next half hour.
wiki source
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JPB
 
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Reply Mon 1 Jan, 2007 05:04 pm
Laughing nimh, you and I seem to be following in each other's footsteps!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 08:15 am
The city of Grand Rapids has grown up quite a bit since President Ford left for Washington. This photo is copyrighted so I'll just post the link rather than display it here.

http://www.photography-plus.com/images/GrandRapids/GR091102_7%20copy.jpg

About right in the middle of that picture is a 10' dam with a fish ladder. Many folks, myself included, fish for lunker salmon and steelhead in the rapids below the dam.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 08:31 am
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The body of former President Gerald Ford was moved Tuesday morning from the Capitol rotunda to a spot outside the Senate chamber to symbolize his service as president of the Senate when he was vice president under Richard Nixon.

Ford's body will be taken by motorcade to Washington's National Cathedral for a state funeral at 10:30 a.m. ET.

A bell at the cathedral will toll 38 times for the 38th president as the cortege moves through Washington streets on a brisk but sunny day.

Tributes will be delivered by President George W. Bush, President George H.W. Bush, Ford's Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and NBC journalist Tom Brokaw.

After the service, Ford's remains will be flown to Grand Rapids, Michigan, where he grew up. The public may view his casket at his presidential museum before a private funeral on Wednesday.

Monday, three presidents, dozens of dignitaries, and thousands of ordinary Americans paid their respects as Ford lay in state in the rotunda.

The president and first lady Laura Bush made a brief stop at the Capitol to stand at Ford's casket Monday afternoon after returning to Washington from their home in Crawford, Texas. (Watch as presidents and ordinary Americans pay respects Video)

An estimated 2,000 people an hour filed past Ford's flag-draped coffin on Monday, the last day of viewing, with people lined up in the rain outside the Capitol throughout the afternoon.

Two of Ford's children greeted the strangers who had waited on a gloomy New Year's Day to honor their father.

"I was moved and touched," said one visitor, Karl Gilbert. "We've lost a great American. President Ford helped heal our nation and the family is still helping to heal our nation."

Near the day's end, officials cleared the rotunda so Ford's widow, Betty, and their children could visit.

Mrs. Ford, 88, maintained her composure as she sat at the side of the casket for several minutes, observing the changing of the honor guard, before walking to her husband's coffin and standing briefly in prayer.

Ford died December 26 at age 93. He led the United States from August 1974 to January 1977, after the Watergate scandal that forced Richard Nixon from office.

Two of his successors -- Bill Clinton and the elder George Bush -- also paid their respects Monday. The former presidents were accompanied by their wives, former first ladies Barbara Bush and Hillary Rodham Clinton, now a U.S. senator from New York. Joining the Bushes on their visit was former Secretary of State James Baker, a longtime Bush family confidant.

Ford's casket lay in the Capitol from Saturday night. Incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-California, and Sens. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, and Mary Landrieu, D-Louisiana, were among congressional leaders who paid their respects Monday. (Watch as a somber Washington welcomes Ford Video)

Another dignitary to appear at the Capitol was former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, who served as White House chief of staff and defense secretary in the Ford administration before returning to the Pentagon under the current president. Rumsfeld resigned in November.

Rumsfeld, one of Ford's honorary pallbearers, drew some surprised glances but many of those who filed past the casket also reached out to shake his hand.

Ford, a Republican, was House minority leader when Nixon tapped him to replace Spiro Agnew as vice president after Agnew's no-contest plea to bribery charges.

When Watergate forced Nixon from power, Ford became the first U.S. president to take office without having been elected president or vice president.

His decision to give Nixon a blanket pardon provoked intense criticism, but Ford maintained that his action was necessary to help heal the nation. He lost the White House to Jimmy Carter in the 1976 election.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 06:14 pm
Would Mr. Ford be considered a Republican or a conservative using current definitions?
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 07:34 pm
Bethie, some have called Dwight Eisenhower a communist. My how things have changed.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jan, 2007 07:43 pm
Ford became President despite having never attacked an opponent, never spending millions of dollars, not lying to the American people and without selling his soul. Such are the benefits of being appointed.
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