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U.S. military considers foreign recruits

 
 
Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 11:25 am
Just what we need, a mercenary army, But why not? We already have contractors fighting (under cover of being security forces) in Iraq. ---BBB

A U.S. military 'at its breaking point' considers foreign recruits
By Bryan Bender
The Boston Globe
Tuesday, December 26, 2006

The armed forces, already struggling to meet recruiting goals, are considering expanding the number of noncitizens in the ranks ?- including disputed proposals to open recruiting stations overseas and put more immigrants on a faster track to U.S. citizenship if they volunteer ?- according to Pentagon officials.

Foreign citizens' serving in the U.S. military is a highly charged issue, which could expose the Pentagon to criticism that it is essentially using mercenaries to defend the country. Other analysts voice concern that a large contingent of noncitizens under arms could jeopardize national security or reflect badly on Americans' willingness to serve in uniform.

The idea of signing up residents who are seeking U.S. citizenship is gaining traction as a way to address a critical need for the Pentagon, while fully absorbing some of the roughly one million immigrants that enter the United States legally each year.

The proposal to induct more noncitizens, which is still largely on the drawing board, has to clear a number of hurdles. So far, the Pentagon has been quiet about specifics, like who would be eligible to join, where the recruiting stations would be, and what the minimum standards might involve, like English proficiency. In the meantime, the Pentagon and the immigration authorities have expanded a program that accelerates citizenship for legal residents who volunteer for the military.

Since the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, the number of immigrants in uniform who have become U.S. citizens has increased from 750 in 2001 to almost 4,600 last year, according to military statistics.

With severe manpower strains because of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and a mandate to expand the overall size of the military, the Pentagon is under pressure to consider a variety of proposals involving foreign recruits, according to a military affairs analyst.

"It works as a military idea and it works in the context of American immigration," said Thomas Donnelly, a military scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute in Washington and a leading proponent of recruiting more foreigners to serve in the military.

As the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan grind on, the Pentagon has warned Congress and the White House that the military is stretched "to the breaking point."

Both President George W. Bush and Robert Gates, his new defense secretary, have acknowledged that the total size of the military must be expanded to help alleviate the strain on ground troops, many of whom have been deployed repeatedly in combat theaters.

Bush said last week that he had ordered Gates to come up with a plan for the first significant increase in ground forces since the end of the Cold War.

That has led Pentagon officials to consider casting a wider net for noncitizens who are already in the United States, said Lieutenant Colonel Bryan Hilferty, an army spokesman.

Already, the army and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement division of the Department of Homeland Security have "made it easier for green-card holders who do enlist to get their citizenship," Hilferty said.

Other army officials, who asked not to be identified, said personnel officials were working with Congress and other parts of the government to test the feasibility of going beyond U.S. borders to recruit soldiers and marines.

Currently, Pentagon policy stipulates that only immigrants legally residing in the United States are eligible to enlist. There are currently about 30,000 noncitizens who serve in the U.S. armed forces, making up about 2 percent of the active- duty force, according to statistics from the military and the Council on Foreign Relations. About 100 such noncitizens have died in Iraq and Afghanistan.

A recent change in U.S. law, however, gave the Pentagon authority to bring immigrants to the United States if it determines it is vital to national security. So far, the Pentagon has not taken advantage of it, but the calls are growing to use this new authority.

Indeed, some top military thinkers believe the United States should go as far as targeting foreigners in their native countries.

"It's a little dramatic," said Michael O'Hanlon, a military specialist at the nonpartisan Brookings Institution and another supporter of the proposal. "But if you don't get some new idea how to do this, we will not be able to achieve an increase" in the size of the armed forces.

"We have already done the standard things to recruit new soldiers, including using more recruiters and new advertising campaigns," O'Hanlon added.

O'Hanlon and others noted that the country has relied before on sizable numbers of noncitizens to serve in the military ?- in the Revolutionary War, for example, German and French soldiers served alongside the colonists, and locals were recruited into U.S. ranks to fight insurgents in the Philippines.

Other nations have recruited foreign citizens: In France, the famed Foreign Legion relies on about 8,000 noncitizens; Nepalese Gurkhas have fought and died with British Army forces for two centuries; and the Swiss Guard, which protects the Vatican, consists of troops who hail from many nations.

"It is not without historical precedent," Donnelly said.

Still, to some military officials and civil rights groups, relying on a large number of foreigners to serve in the military is offensive.

A Hispanic rights advocacy group, National Council of La Raza, has said that the plan sends the wrong message that Americans themselves are not willing to sacrifice to defend their country. Officials have also raised concerns that immigrants would be disproportionately sent to the front lines as "cannon fodder" in any conflict.

Some within the army privately express concern that a big push to recruit noncitizens would smack of "the decline of the American empire," said one army official who asked not to be identified.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 11:41 am
Jose can you see? General Osama bin laden USMC.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 12:41 pm
blueflame1 wrote:
Jose can you see? General Osama bin laden USMC.


There are plenty of non-citizens serving in the military. Look at the Navy for instance. There are plenty of Phillipians serving. I was deployed with a kid that is from Vietnam who isn't a citizen but has lived here for about 10 years or more. He was even putting in his citizenship papers while we were deployed.

I don't have an issue with non-citizens serving as long as they aren't illegal aliens. If you can be here by law then I don't have an issue with you serving in the military.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 12:45 pm
Military.com wrote:
An article in The Denver Post on Feb. 24 that the U.S. military does not know the citizenship status of 16,031 active-duty military personnel provided me with my latest "very rare occasion."

In a recent article ("The Illegal Immigration Threat," DefenseWatch, Jan. 14, 2004), I talked about a 19-year old illegal alien who used a bogus green card to enlist in the Army, and how the Army was going to help facilitate getting him citizen status. (The Army's efforts did result in that soldier being sworn in as a U.S. citizen.) Little did I know at the time that that soldier was literally just the latest tip on a monolithic iceberg.

Let me share with you excerpts from the Denver Post article and my varied reactions to them:

The Denver Post article reported:

"[T]he citizenship of 16,031 members of the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines is listed as 'unknown.' That's about one in 100 active-duty military members who might be U.S. citizens, legal immigrants - or just about anybody else."
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 12:47 pm
BBB
I've got a big problem with recruiting poor people from other countries, usually third world countries, to fight and die in our wars. If we can't recruit enough Americans to our military in support of the Iraq war, we shouldn't be fighting in Iraq.

BBB
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 01:54 pm
Re: BBB
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:
I've got a big problem with recruiting poor people from other countries, usually third world countries, to fight and die in our wars. If we can't recruit enough Americans to our military in support of the Iraq war, we shouldn't be fighting in Iraq.

BBB


Wait isn't Mexico a thrid world country? If that is so, why is it ok for them to come here illegally and work but you don't want them to join the military?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 02:10 pm
anything that keeps my cubs from coming home in a box is a-okay with me......
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 02:16 pm
If our war in Iraq was a just war I doubt we'd be having recruiting problems.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 03:06 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
anything that keeps my cubs from coming home in a box is a-okay with me......


So non-Americans are not as important to you as Americans? Does that mean their lives aren't worth as much?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 03:09 pm
Baldimo wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
anything that keeps my cubs from coming home in a box is a-okay with me......


So non-Americans are not as important to you as Americans? Does that mean their lives aren't worth as much?


no not at all..... you and yours aren't as important to me as me and mine either.... get real Larry...don't tell me you wouldn't push one of my cubs off a cliff to prevent one of yours from the fall....
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 03:18 pm
Baldimo wrote:

I don't have an issue with non-citizens serving as long as they aren't illegal aliens. If you can be here by law then I don't have an issue with you serving in the military.


France and Spain do so as well .... call it "Foreign Legion".
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 03:21 pm
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
anything that keeps my cubs from coming home in a box is a-okay with me......


So non-Americans are not as important to you as Americans? Does that mean their lives aren't worth as much?


no not at all..... you and yours aren't as important to me as me and mine either.... get real Larry...don't tell me you wouldn't push one of my cubs off a cliff to prevent one of yours from the fall....
Laughing

I'd do what I could to save both of them. In the end, I would hope that I would chose the one that had the best chance of survival. Thats the difference between you and I. If mine was going to fall anyways and yours had the chance to live I beleive that I have enough moral fiber to not be biased.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 03:31 pm
cliche. horseshit. that's the difference between you and me.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Tue 26 Dec, 2006 03:36 pm
Farming out a nation's combat and defense is nothing new. Not a good thing, necessarily, but nothing new.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 06:59 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
cliche. horseshit. that's the difference between you and me.


Theres a reason things are cliche just as there is a reason for sterotyping. Because most of what you hear is true. I called it like it is and how I think I would act. Just because you would throw your own mother under a train to save yourself doesn't mean the rest of us would. Thats the difference between you and I.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 07:09 am
Baldimo wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
cliche. horseshit. that's the difference between you and me.


Theres a reason things are cliche just as there is a reason for sterotyping. Because most of what you hear is true. I called it like it is and how I think I would act. Just because you would throw your own mother under a train to save yourself doesn't mean the rest of us would. Thats the difference between you and I.


First off Larry, it's you and me. That's twice now so it can't be an error, merely a misunderstanding of basic English. Second of all you can twist my words all you want but "you would throw your mother under a train" is the kind of stretch I would expect from you, the kind of Fox News tony snow moronic spin that has already closed it's run.

Nice try though. Laughing
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 07:54 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
Baldimo wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
cliche. horseshit. that's the difference between you and me.


Theres a reason things are cliche just as there is a reason for sterotyping. Because most of what you hear is true. I called it like it is and how I think I would act. Just because you would throw your own mother under a train to save yourself doesn't mean the rest of us would. Thats the difference between you and I.


First off Larry, it's you and me. That's twice now so it can't be an error, merely a misunderstanding of basic English. Second of all you can twist my words all you want but "you would throw your mother under a train" is the kind of stretch I would expect from you, the kind of Fox News tony snow moronic spin that has already closed it's run.

Nice try though. Laughing


Now you're playing the grammar police? Did Set give you his badge or did he just deputize you?

If you're comparing me to Tony Snow then I can only take that as a compliment. So the original question remains which you failed to answer before asking your own question which I did answer.

Do you find the lives of non-citizens less important then the lives of citizens? Do you really mind non-citizens fighting for this country?
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 07:59 am
read my post Larry,spot my straightforward and honest answer. If it's giving you a headache I'll answer again. I find the lives of ALL human beings less important to me personally than the lives of my own cubs.... what's you're f*cking problem with that?

Family first dude, that's a conserative family value you know.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 08:08 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
read my post Larry,spot my straightforward and honest answer. If it's giving you a headache I'll answer again. I find the lives of ALL human beings less important to me personally than the lives of my own cubs.... what's you're f*cking problem with that?

Family first dude, that's a conserative family value you know.


I do know but your cubs have nothing to do with what is happening right now. Your cubs are in their teens not quite there which ever. You will only have to worry about it if they join the military which from knowing you for a few years now tells me you are going to to what you can to keep that from happening, so it is non-issue at this point in time.

I never asked you about your cubs. I asked you about citizens and non-citizens serving in the military and dying. You stated your cubs were the most important. That doesn't answer the question, that avoids the question.

Its almost like asking a yes or no question and you answer with blue.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 08:23 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:
anything that keeps my cubs from coming home in a box is a-okay with me......



and then Larry wrote....


So non-Americans are not as important to you as Americans? Does that mean their lives aren't worth as much?

then a bunch of twists and turns in a transparent attempt to have me make a statement that allows him to expose me as a hypocrite who doesn't really value human life so he can go Ah Hah!!!!, and feel like he's accomplished something.

One more time Larry, where my cubs are concerned NO ONE'S life is worth as much. I don't think that makes me unusual or different from any other decent parent. That's the meaning of the statement no more no less.

You want to throw your life away serving a master who uses you as cordwood for their own benefit, go ahead, no skin off my ass. I've got a cable rep in my neighborhood. Laughing

Ovr and out before this gets ugly for no reason other than you scoring imaginary points.
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