Okie
Okie, you appear not to understand the definition of a bigot. Looking in the mirror might be a shock.---BBB
For people named Bigot and other meanings, see Bigot (disambiguation).
A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own. The origin of the word in English dates back to at least 1598, via Middle French, and started with the sense of religious hypocrite, especially a woman.
Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to their prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views.
Etymology
The exact origin of the term is unknown, but may have come from the German bei and gott, or the English by God. William Camden wrote that the Normans were first called bigots, when their Duke Rollo, who receiving Gisla, daughter of King Charles, in marriage, and with her the investiture of the dukedom, refused to kiss the king's foot in token of subjection, unless the king would hold it out for that purpose. And being urged to it by those present, Rollo answered hastily, "No by God", whereupon the King turning about, called him bigot; which name passed from him to his people [1]. This is likely fictional, however, as Gisla is unknown in Frankish sources. It is true that the French used the term bigot as an abuse for the Normans.[2]
The 12th century Anglo-Norman author Wace claimed that bigot was an insult that the French used against the Normans, but it is unclear whether it entered the English language via this route.[3]
According to Egon Friedell, "bigot" is of the same root as "visigoth". In Vulgar Latin the initial v transformed into b (phenomenon today encountered in Iberian languages, such as Spanish language and Portuguese language; visi had truncated into bi in Vulgar Latin (phenomenon common in French and Portuguese). Certainly the Visigoths did behave in a manner which might have given birth to the expression; they were very race-conscious and intolerant; they loathed Roman civilization which they saw as effete and degenerated; they professed Arianism while their subjects were Catholics, they enforced very strict anti-Jewish laws in Spain, and they treated their Roman subjects as their inferiors and gave the birth to expression "blue-blooded" because of their fairer skin (where veins were more translucent and bluish than that of their Roman subjects). The Spanish word bigote means moustache, probably because Visigoths had moustaches. Since both Normans and Goths were Germanic peoples, the Franks as a Romance nation might well have referred the Normans as "Visigoths" with the expression bigot. This claim is also supported by the fact that the word bigoth for Visigoths appear in Medieval Latin language.
Barbara Walker in her book "Womens Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets" claims the term was coined by German Pagans in reference to the intolerant Catholic missionaries and priests by the term "bei gott" or bigot. As "be got" was a term commonly used by the priests and missionaries. The Catholic priests and missionaries who first converted were, according to her, notoriously close minded and intolerant of all other religions. History doesn't necessarily support this view, see St. Boniface. According to Walker, they saw them also as hypocritical in that they claimed Jesus Christ the "Prince of Peace" and went about converting people through tortorous means, and murdered those who would not accept Jesus Christ the "Prince of Peace" as lord and savior. This explanation is not likely to be true, however, as German bei is not pronounced with hard i as in English "bee", but as English "bye", and would have produced a word not unlike byegot or baigot. Likewise, the history does not support Walker's view, as the Germans and Franks adopted Christianity fairly peacefully in the Dark Ages.
Re: Okie
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:Okie, you appear not to understand the definition of a bigot. Looking in the mirror might be a shock.---BBB
BBB, let me try to explain something very basic that you and many liberals apparently cannot grasp the concept of. It is very simple, if you would just try to understand it.
You do not agree with me. Does than make you bigoted against me because my opinion does not agree with you? Under your definition, it does. Just because I do not agree with you and do not believe some things, some influences are not the correct ones, does that make me bigoted? If it did, everyone would be bigoted. Since Republicans do not agree with Democrats and vice versa, are we all bigoted? Obviously not.
If I do not subscribe to the Muslim religion, am I bigoted? No. If I proceed to disallow their practice of their religion, then perhaps you have an argument, but I have never said that. I have simply said there may be elements of the Muslim religion that might bring on a negative effect on society, if such religious beliefs come into the majority of a culture and a government. Holding that belief does not make me bigoted. My belief can be supported by evidence.
Further, I have never argued that the Christian religion has not been mis-used and caused much suffering on people in history because of those that have mis-used it. I have never advocated such mis-use. I am for freedom, including religious freedom, for which many of the Europeans came here to establish and enjoy.
I do not think you are a fan of Christian faiths. If I'm wrong about this, I apologize. If I"m correct on this point, does that make you bigoted? I don't think so unless you set out to deny the rights of those that consider themselves Christians.
So BBB makes a drive by post, then leaves, not defending her assertion with any evidence, or disputing the logic with any logic of her own. Her statement of definition that says:
"Bigot is often used as a pejorative term against a person who is obstinately devoted to their prejudices even when these views are challenged or proven to be false. Forms of bigotry may have a related ideology or world views."
To translate, If my views are lableled as prejudices by BBB, and if BBB challenges my views, I am possibly and probably bigoted, and if my views are proven false, according to her of course, then I am bigoted beyond any reasonable doubt. By using the same reasoning, I think your opinions are prejudiced, and I am hereby challenging them, so you are very likely a bigot. I think your views are proven false by logic, which really seals your being a bigot.
Please note BBB does not mind calling other people bigots, which I believe is an obvious example of her own prejudices that exist without reasonable evidence, which according to her own definition, would make herself a bigot. Thank you for clearing this debate up, BBB.
What this boils down to folks is the arrogance of liberals. If you do not agree with them, and if you do not put your stamp of approval on everything they believe, live, and do, you are a bigot. Things are not a matter of opinion anymore. Either agree with them or you are a bigot. Got that.
Quote:I do not think you are a fan of Christian faiths. If I'm wrong about this, I apologize. If I"m correct on this point, does that make you bigoted? I don't think so unless you set out to deny the rights of those that consider themselves Christians.
So it is only bigoted if it denies the rights of Christians? That seems a little self serving okie.
Don't you think that it was bigotry to not vote for JFK because he was Catholic and would follow the bidding of the Pope? I think it was. It is the same bigotry to not want Muslims to hold office because they will follow their God. There is no difference between the two. Whether Goode is bigoted or not is hard to answer but he is playing the politics of appealing to bigotry.
Where Goode really hits the bigotry is by tying immigration to muslim politicians. The majority of immigrants, legal and illegal are hardly muslim. Most of Latin America is catholic.
I'd be fearful of an influx of muslims.
Wilso
Than you should move to the USA because conserative politicians just love your kind.
Wilso - I love how that statement goes with your avatar.
I haven't paid a lot of attention to this.... some redneck hateful ignorant jerk off being supported by people like him, but I just saw on CNN that he's from Rocky Mt. Virginia and that explained a lot. A little corner of inbred heaven lying between Martinsville and Roanoke where formal attire means buttoning the top button on your flannel hunting shirt and wearing clean waders and there are four last names in teh phone book.
No wonder.
And naturally the republican party can't decide whether to repudiate this scumbag's remarks or to continue to pander to the one part of their backasswards base that still rabidly supports them. Dennis Hasterts office among others refuse to return any phone calls from news services. Warms my heart to see these scumbags squirm.
Goode nees to warm up the tractor, he's in his last term.
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:I haven't paid a lot of attention to this.... some redneck hateful ignorant jerk off being supported by people like him, but I just saw on CNN that he's from Rocky Mt. Virginia and that explained a lot. A little corner of inbred heaven lying between Martinsville and Roanoke where formal attire means buttoning the top button on your flannel hunting shirt and wearing clean waders and there are four last names in teh phone book.
No wonder.
And naturally the republican party can't decide whether to repudiate this scumbag's remarks or to continue to pander to the one part of their backasswards base that still rabidly supports them. Dennis Hasterts office among others refuse to return any phone calls from news services. Warms my heart to see these scumbags squirm.
Goode nees to warm up the tractor, he's in his last term.
Hey Bear does this mean you are a bigot?
you've already decided right Larry?
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:you've already decided right Larry?
No I'm just asking. It appears your statement about people from that part of the country is a bigoted statement. Them being backwards and all.
you may certainly say so if you think it will divert attention from Goode and his constituents
Bear
Well it's obvious that white-furred Bi-Polar-Bear is a bigot. Have you ever seen any pictures of him associating with Black Bears?
BBB
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:you may certainly say so if you think it will divert attention from Goode and his constituents
I was just following the thread. The term bigot come up and was being applied to people on the board who exhibited "bigot" like comments. Just making sure we had everyone covered.
well there's a few more that need to check in to be at 100% but thanks for bringing us close to our goal....
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:well there's a few more that need to check in to be at 100% but thanks for bringing us close to our goal....
No problem. My pleasure. Oh I should add my name to the list as well. I know I have made some bigot like comments in the past and I'm sure I will in the future.
But It's Thomas Jefferson's Koran!
But It's Thomas Jefferson's Koran!
By Amy Argetsinger and Roxanne Roberts
Wednesday, January 3, 2007
Washington Post
Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, found himself under attack last month when he announced he'd take his oath of office on the Koran -- especially from Virginia Rep. Virgil Goode, who called it a threat to American values.
Yet the holy book at tomorrow's ceremony has an unassailably all-American provenance. We've learned that the new congressman -- in a savvy bit of political symbolism -- will hold the personal copy once owned by Thomas Jefferson.
If Keith Ellison, above, takes the ceremonial oath of office using Thomas Jefferson's Koran, will he and Virgil Goode at long last be on the same page? Don't hold your breath. (Mark Wilson - Getty Images)
"He wanted to use a Koran that was special," said Mark Dimunation, chief of the rare book and special collections division at the Library of Congress, who was contacted by the Minnesota Dem early in December. Dimunation, who grew up in Ellison's 5th District, was happy to help.
Jefferson's copy is an English translation by George Sale published in the 1750s; it survived the 1851 fire that destroyed most of Jefferson's collection and has his customary initialing on the pages. This isn't the first historic book used for swearing-in ceremonies -- the Library has allowed VIPs to use rare Bibles for inaugurations and other special occasions.
Ellison will take the official oath of office along with the other incoming members in the House chamber, then use the Koran in his individual, ceremonial oath with new Speaker Nancy Pelosi. "Keith is paying respect not only to the founding fathers' belief in religious freedom but the Constitution itself," said Ellison spokesman Rick Jauert.
One person unlikely to be swayed by the book's illustrious history is Goode, who released a letter two weeks ago objecting to Ellison's use of the Koran. "I believe that the overwhelming majority of voters in my district would prefer the use of the Bible," the Virginia Republican told Fox News, and then went on to warn about what he regards as the dangers of Muslims immigrating to the United States and Muslims gaining elective office.
Yeah, but what about a Koran that belonged to one of the greatest Virginians in history? Goode, who represents Jefferson's birthplace of Albemarle County, had no comment yesterday.
This is Congressman Goode's new Office window.
Source: News Story