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Wed 20 Dec, 2006 12:44 pm
Disgusting bigot.---BBB
In Letter, GOP Rep Fears Influx of Muslims
By Paul Kiel
December 19, 2006
In a letter sent out to select supporters earlier this month reacting to the controversy (among certain extreme conservatives, at least) over Muslim representative-elect Keith Ellison's (D-MN) decision to be sworn in on the Koran, Rep. Virgil Goode (R-VA) warned that the U.S. must close its borders to guard against the influx of still more Muslims. In it, he also proudly recounts his retort to a Muslim student who asked him why he did not include the Koran with The Ten Commandments on his wall. "As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Koran is not going to be on the wall of my office," he says he told the student.
The letter, which by some horrible error in Goode's office was sent to the chair of the local Sierra Club chapter, was obtained by Charlottesville's C-Ville Weekly. Goode's spokesman, after correcting my pronunciation of his boss' name (it rhymes with "food") refused to expand beyond Goode's comment to the Weekly of "I wrote the letter. I think it speaks for itself," although I was invited to fax in a question to the congressman.
"f American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran," the letter reads. "I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped."
The text of the letter:
Thank you for your recent communication. When I raise my hand to take the oath on Swearing In Day, I will have the Bible in my other hand. I do not subscribe to using the Koran in any way. The Muslim Representative from Minnesota was elected by the voters of that district and if American citizens don't wake up and adopt the Virgil Goode position on immigration there will likely be many more Muslims elected to office and demanding the use of the Koran. We need to stop illegal immigration totally and reduce legal immigration and end the diversity visas policy pushed hard by President Clinton and allowing many persons from the Middle East to come to this country. I fear that in the next century we will have many more Muslims in the United States if we do not adopt the strict immigration policies that I believe are necessary to preserve the values and beliefs traditional to the United States of America and to prevent our resources from being swamped.
The Ten Commandments and "In God We Trust" are on the wall in my office. A Muslim student came by the office and asked why I did not have anything on my wall about the Koran. My response was clear, "As long as I have the honor of representing the citizens of the 5th District of Virginia in the United States House of Representatives, The Koran is not going to be on the wall of my office." Thank you again for your email and thoughts.
Why is it bigotry to fear anybody? I fear socialist liberals, is that bigotry?
There are many reason to close the boarders. Keeping out Muslims entering illegally is one of them.
Yep, that letter definitely sounds bigoted to me.
Having a lot of Muslims in the US is not a problem. It's having a few Muslim extremists that should be worrisome. Everyone who wants to live in America legally should be welcomed with open arms.
It has an edge to it for sure. I don't really have an issue with it. When we were fighting WWII I'm sure the US did the same thing with people from Germany, Italy and Japan. It makes sense to not allow your enemies into your country when fighting a war. The biggest issue with Muslims coming to the country is how do you tell who is a terrorist and who isn't? They don't wear signs proclaiming it. Since you can't tell who is who it is a much better solution to limit immigration from countries in the ME. I would support this unless we can detect who they are before they enter our borders and disappear into the great melting pot.
Bigot
Hey, the bigot objected to an elected member of congress being sworn in with his hand on the Koran, representing his religion. Does this mean he would object to a Christian swearing in on the Bible? I don't think so.
A bigot is a bigot.
BBB
Re: Bigot
BumbleBeeBoogie wrote:Hey, the bigot objected to an elected member of congress being sworn in with his hand on the Koran, representing his religion. Does this mean he would object to a Christian swearing in on the Bible? I don't think so.
A bigot is a bigot.
BBB
If that muslim is true to his/her religion, they would object to the Bible anywhere.
McGentrix wrote:Having a lot of Muslims in the US is not a problem.
I agree with this.
Quote:It's having a few Muslim extremists that should be worrisome.
Is having a few Christian extremists less worrisome? The worst terrorist attack in the US was commited by Muslims, but the second worst was commited by extremist Christians.
Quote:
Everyone who wants to live in America legally should be welcomed with open arms.
This directly contradicts your second point.
You can be an muderous extremist who is here legally (or even a citizen). You can also be a perfectly decent peace-loving person who is here illegally. I far prefer the latter to the former.
ebrown_p wrote:McGentrix wrote:Having a lot of Muslims in the US is not a problem.
I agree with this.
Quote:It's having a few Muslim extremists that should be worrisome.
Is having a few Christian extremists less worrisome? The worst terrorist attack in the US was commited by Muslims, but the second worst was commited by extremist Christians.
Quote:
Everyone who wants to live in America legally should be welcomed with open arms.
This directly contradicts your second point.
You can be an muderous extremist who is here legally (or even a citizen). You can also be a perfectly decent peace-loving person who is here illegally. I far prefer the latter to the former.
& the third worst attack was by an extremist president on Waco.
Exactly my point Madam... this extremist president you speak of was a Christian and he was living here legally.
(I am surprised you are supporting the Waco cult Madam... they were breaking several laws including childing molestation, but that is beside the point here.)
Ebrown_p:
Quote:Is having a few Christian extremists less worrisome? The worst terrorist attack in the US was commited by Muslims, but the second worst was commited by extremist Christians.
Yes it is.
Muslim terrorists have a much larger suport structure then the Christian Extremists do. Was Timmy McVey a Christian Extremist? I thought he was just some wacko with a grudge against the US govt. Far different then being a religious terrorist.
Christian Extremists don't beleive in the whole jihad thing. They beleive in going to heaven but sucide is a sin in Christianity and it doesn't reward one with anything but a trip to hell. If your a Christian hell is not the place you want to go.
I think the difference is that in general, Muslims organize big attacks with mass casulaties... where Christian extremists tend to murder more often and stay under the radar.
American Christian extremists have a doctrine of race war that is very frightening indeed and there are several extremist armed groups that say they are arming for just this reason.
KKK groups with very scary rhetoric are going through a growth spurt right now. They are even recruting in the Northeast.
Ironically David Duke (a Christian extremist and former Klan leader) just went to Iran to attend president Ahmadinijad's little anti-semitic conference.
These two types of extremists can be brought together by a shared hatred.
ebrown_p wrote:I think the difference is that in general, Muslims organize big attacks with mass casulaties... where Christian extremists tend to murder more often and stay under the radar.
American Christian extremists have a doctrine of race war that is very frightening indeed and there are several extremist armed groups that say they are arming for just this reason.
KKK groups with very scary rhetoric are going through a growth spurt right now. They are even recruting in the Northeast.
Ironically David Duke (a Christian extremist and former Klan leader) just went to Iran to attend president Ahmadinijad's little anti-semitic conference.
These two types of extremists can be brought together by a shared hatred.
Do you have any proof of this "Christian extremists tend to murder more often and stay under the radar" or is this just your personal opinion?
ebrown_p wrote:Exactly my point Madam... this extremist president you speak of was a Christian and he was living here legally.
(I am surprised you are supporting the Waco cult Madam... they were breaking several laws including childing molestation, but that is beside the point here.)
Child molestation was never proven. I support the right of anybody to practice their religion, i'm not shocked nor surprised that you don't.
That
christian president was good at going to church & totin his Biblw for everyone to see, but his
alter of worship was in the Oval office.
BTW-worst attacks in order on this country,
WTC
Pearl harbor
Ok City
Waco
Baldimo wrote:ebrown_p wrote:I think the difference is that in general, Muslims organize big attacks with mass casulaties... where Christian extremists tend to murder more often and stay under the radar.
American Christian extremists have a doctrine of race war that is very frightening indeed and there are several extremist armed groups that say they are arming for just this reason.
KKK groups with very scary rhetoric are going through a growth spurt right now. They are even recruting in the Northeast.
Ironically David Duke (a Christian extremist and former Klan leader) just went to Iran to attend president Ahmadinijad's little anti-semitic conference.
These two types of extremists can be brought together by a shared hatred.
Do you have any proof of this "Christian extremists tend to murder more often and stay under the radar" or is this just your personal opinion?
brown says that he doesn't have to provide proof.
The Christian Identity movement has any number of groups that espouse violence. Here is the Anti-Defamation Leagues page one such order.
Anti-Defamation Page on The Order
A google search for "Christian Identity" will give you the home pages of a number of these groups (I am not going to post them here). They are all advocating violence in the name of making the US a White Christian Nation (i.e. purged of immigrants, blacks, Muslims and homosexuals ).
There are any number of crimes commited by these extremist Christian groups yearly that range from abortion clinic bombings to racially based murders. Again a Google search will turn these up pretty easily. Most of them kill less than 5 or 10 people.
For example
LA Time article. You will note that these people were identified as part of the Bruder Sweigen group which is (according to the ADL and many other sources) part of the Christian Identity movement.
My claim that KKK is again recruiting is backed up in
this article and
this one.
Your
proof can be matched & re-matched a thousand times over.
http://www.frontpage.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13626
The link you posted is apparently broken... but I assume it is an example of violence extremism from people who don't happen to be Christians.
But you are missing my point-- I am against all forms of violent extremism. You don't have to accept Christian extremism in order to oppose Muslim extremism. It is perfectly reasonable to reject it all.
There are very bad people who are Christians and there are very bad people who are Muslims.
I am only saying (since you all goaded me into it) that I would prefer a hardworking decent immigrant; even an immigrant who is here illegally, to one of these extremist jerks
ebrown_p wrote:The link you posted is apparently broken... but I assume it is an example of violence extremism from people who don't happen to be Christians.
But you are missing my point-- I am against all forms of violent extremism. You don't have to accept Christian extremism in order to oppose Muslim extremism. It is perfectly reasonable to reject it all.
There are very bad people who are Christians and there are very bad people who are Muslims.
I am only saying (since you all goaded me into it) that I would prefer a hardworking decent immigrant; even an immigrant who is here illegally, to one of these extremist jerks
Oh well, there's many examples on the web of even illegal aliens committing heineous crimes. I'm sure you've read those too, right?
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