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Opinion - Sex, lies, and the fate of a nation

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 06:34 am
Opinion - Sex, lies, and the fate of a nation

Tuesday, June 10, 2003
MICHAEL ZUZEL Columbian staff writer, e-mail address: [email protected]


It seems increasingly likely that the Bush administration exaggerated the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction as an excuse to launch a war against Saddam Hussein. So far that war has cost the lives of more than 215 American soldiers and an estimated 10,000 Iraqi civilians.

On the other hand, this president didn't lie about sex.

The White House has just pushed through the third-largest tax cut in our nation's history. This despite the fact that most mainstream economists not to mention George W. Bush's own Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan have said repeatedly that this tax cut will generate zero jobs and provide no boost to the economy whatsoever. Just like the tax cuts Bush gave us two years ago.

Then again, this president never lied about sex.

At the same time he's cutting revenues, Bush is pushing for increased spending not just in national defense, but in virtually every category, from agriculture to welfare. The conservative Cato Institute has tagged Bush as "the biggest-spending president in decades"; in his first three years in office, nondefense discretionary outlays have risen 18 percent. (In Bill Clinton's first term, those outlays decreased 0.7 percent.)

Bush and the GOP Congress have managed to erase almost $6 trillion in surpluses and left the nation headed toward $4 trillion in debt. What better way to get rid of Medicare, Medicaid, other social and welfare programs, and the whole Department of Education, than to bankrupt the government?

But hey, at least this president didn't lie about sex.

Unemployment hit 6.1 percent nationally in May, the highest in almost a decade. What a perfect time for Bush's Labor Department to propose new rules that would deny overtime pay to hundreds of thousands of workers who hold a "position of responsibility" and earn at least $10.63 an hour. Congratulations, you're all executives!

Consider this, however: This president hasn't lied about sex.

Under the guise of terrorism prevention, the Bush administration has presided over an appalling rollback of our civil liberties. The government can now detain any American indefinitely without even charging him or her with a crime; it can search our personal belongings and seize our property without probable cause; it can spy on churches and civic groups at will, and can jail librarians for telling anyone that a patron's records have been subpoenaed. And you thought the KGB was history.

Oh, but that lying-about-sex thing? Not this president.

The Bush team is gleefully gutting environmental protections left and right: suspending protection of our air and drinking water, opening up vast public lands to taxpayer-subsidized logging and mining, boosting government support for big-polluting power sources such as coal and petroleum while ignoring 21st century energy solutions.

True. But lie about sex? Never!

On-the-job malpractice

For a lot of Bush supporters, it seems, that's all there is to the argument. No matter how muddle-headed or deceitful his current policies, the reasoning goes, at least he's a good guy. Let him send U.S. sons and daughters to their deaths on the flimsiest of pretenses; let him run up the red ink and sell our quality of life to his corporate cronies. Just don't let him embarrass us with his zipper.

And it's an either/or argument: Either you are for this president, or you are for the last one. As if a critic of George Bush's on-the-job actions couldn't also have despised Bill Clinton for his abhorrent off-hours misbehavior.

Maybe Americans are starting to reject such simplistic thinking. Bush's approval rating has plummeted 10 percentage points just since the fall of Baghdad. Perhaps we've begun to see that, behind the aw-shucks persona, this president is doing some serious damage to our nation.

And that maybe there are worse things than lying about sex, after all.
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fealola
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 10:06 am
yep yep yep

But how do we even know that he hasn't lied about sex?!!!
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 10:14 am
He hasn't mentioned the topic publicly, Fealola . . . the way to tell if Bush is lying is to watch to see if his lips are moving . . .
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 11:31 am
Re: Opinion - Sex, lies, and the fate of a nation
au1929 wrote:
Opinion - Sex, lies, and the fate of a nation

Tuesday, June 10, 2003
MICHAEL ZUZEL Columbian staff writer, e-mail address: [email protected]


It seems increasingly likely that the Bush administration exaggerated the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction as an excuse to launch a war against Saddam Hussein. So far that war has cost the lives of more than 215 American soldiers and an estimated 10,000 Iraqi civilians.


Remains to be seen whether or not he exagerrated or not. Right now, it does indeed look that way. The highest estimate for Iragi civilian deaths is 7,243. A staggering number, but not quite the 10,000 the author states. Great way to lead off an article about someone else lying.

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On the other hand, this president didn't lie about sex.


So, the intent is to compare Bush to Clinton? Or to say that Clinton was caught lying and was impeached for it and now has to whine about what Bush is doing.

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The White House has just pushed through the third-largest tax cut in our nation's history. This despite the fact that most mainstream economists not to mention George W. Bush's own Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan have said repeatedly that this tax cut will generate zero jobs and provide no boost to the economy whatsoever. Just like the tax cuts Bush gave us two years ago.

Then again, this president never lied about sex.


While I agree that this tax cut was neither needed or well advised, I will be glad to see less federal witholding on my paycheck. I hope that the results are as planned.

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At the same time he's cutting revenues, Bush is pushing for increased spending not just in national defense, but in virtually every category, from agriculture to welfare. The conservative Cato Institute has tagged Bush as "the biggest-spending president in decades"; in his first three years in office, nondefense discretionary outlays have risen 18 percent. (In Bill Clinton's first term, those outlays decreased 0.7 percent.)

Bush and the GOP Congress have managed to erase almost $6 trillion in surpluses and left the nation headed toward $4 trillion in debt. What better way to get rid of Medicare, Medicaid, other social and welfare programs, and the whole Department of Education, than to bankrupt the government?

But hey, at least this president didn't lie about sex.


If the defense department had not taken such a hit financially during Clintons reign, Bush would not have needed to make such drastic steps in funding the defense of our nation. the surplus was imaginary, it wasn't as though we had $4 trillion dollars in the bank and Bush just spent it all. But, I am no economist.

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Unemployment hit 6.1 percent nationally in May, the highest in almost a decade. What a perfect time for Bush's Labor Department to propose new rules that would deny overtime pay to hundreds of thousands of workers who hold a "position of responsibility" and earn at least $10.63 an hour. Congratulations, you're all executives!

Consider this, however: This president hasn't lied about sex.


So, it's Bush's fault the economy is so far down? Wouldn't happen to do anything with the stock market plunge that was caused by companies like Enron who were allowed to break so many laws during the previous 8 years, could it?

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Under the guise of terrorism prevention, the Bush administration has presided over an appalling rollback of our civil liberties. The government can now detain any American indefinitely without even charging him or her with a crime; it can search our personal belongings and seize our property without probable cause; it can spy on churches and civic groups at will, and can jail librarians for telling anyone that a patron's records have been subpoenaed. And you thought the KGB was history.

Oh, but that lying-about-sex thing? Not this president.


Over-exagerrated, over-simplified, and over-stated.

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The Bush team is gleefully gutting environmental protections left and right: suspending protection of our air and drinking water, opening up vast public lands to taxpayer-subsidized logging and mining, boosting government support for big-polluting power sources such as coal and petroleum while ignoring 21st century energy solutions.

True. But lie about sex? Never!


Just lies and exagerrations to gain sympathy for his case. I don't think Anyone was "gleefully" gutting anything. Some of the policies that Bush resigned from were harmful to American interests. Also sounds like he created sime new jobs, if you want to look at it that way. His administration is also trying to push for H2 autos.

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On-the-job malpractice

For a lot of Bush supporters, it seems, that's all there is to the argument. No matter how muddle-headed or deceitful his current policies, the reasoning goes, at least he's a good guy. Let him send U.S. sons and daughters to their deaths on the flimsiest of pretenses; let him run up the red ink and sell our quality of life to his corporate cronies. Just don't let him embarrass us with his zipper.


To be able to know what people think must be a wonderful gift. Bush being a "good guy" has nothing to do with anything. what the author uses as "flimsiest of pretensions" was fully accepted by Congress. The author is using hindsight to do nothing but bash the president. An easy target these days it seems.

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And it's an either/or argument: Either you are for this president, or you are for the last one. As if a critic of George Bush's on-the-job actions couldn't also have despised Bill Clinton for his abhorrent off-hours misbehavior.


I think people who dislike Bush are quite easily able to not like Clinton as well, or visa versa...

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Maybe Americans are starting to reject such simplistic thinking. Bush's approval rating has plummeted 10 percentage points just since the fall of Baghdad. Perhaps we've begun to see that, behind the aw-shucks persona, this president is doing some serious damage to our nation.

And that maybe there are worse things than lying about sex, after all.


Or, maybe he is doing great things for this nation in assuring its safety and the safety of it's citizens. But, maybe the author is too blinded by hate, ignorance, and predjudice to notice.
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Laeknir Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2003 12:30 pm
Why did the chicken cross the road?

NIXON: Let me make this perfectly clear, the chicken DID NOT cross the road. I insist, the chicken DID NOT cross the road.

CLINTON: I swear, under the Constitution, that I had nothing to do with the chick.

BUSH JR. The fact that the chicken crossed the road with total impunity is a serious attack to democracy and liberty, a serious threat to the values we stand for. We should have bombed the road a long time ago. Our glorious Armes Forces will destroy the road, so no chicken can defy our nation with its arrogance. The world will be a safer place when chicken have no feet and roads are no longer existant. God bless America.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 27 Jun, 2003 07:59 pm
Re: Opinion - Sex, lies, and the fate of a nation
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It seems increasingly likely that the Bush administration exaggerated the threat posed by weapons of mass destruction as an excuse to launch a war against Saddam Hussein. So far that war has cost the lives of more than 215 American soldiers and an estimated 10,000 Iraqi civilians.

Is it a "lie" or just "opinion" when the author inflates the estimate of Iraqi civilian casualties to 10,000 from the most recent count of 3,240? (PBS Newshour, 6/19/03) http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june03/iraq_06-19.html

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The White House has just pushed through the third-largest tax cut in our nation's history. This despite the fact that most mainstream economists not to mention George W. Bush's own Federal Reserve chairman, Alan Greenspan have said repeatedly that this tax cut will generate zero jobs and provide no boost to the economy whatsoever. Just like the tax cuts Bush gave us two years ago.

Is it a "lie" or just "opinion" when the author pretends not only to know what "most" economists think, but apparently which ones are the "mainstream" ones? (Those who espouse views with which he agrees, I suspect.) Is it a "lie" or just "opinion" when the author claims that Greenspan said tax cuts will "provide no boost to the economy whatsoever", when in his most recent comments on the subject he in fact said:

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"There are powerful reasons to suspect that the elimination of the double taxation of dividends and cuts in marginal rates will elevate long-term productivity," he said.
Sir Alan bites the hand

Seriously... are these LIES, or just OPINION? Because they don't look like any SEX I know about, and they sure as hell aren't the TRUTH.
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