Does Ted kennedy Really Want....

No I believe he is sincere about the safety of our troops. You are the one who believes he has no concern for our troops and just wants to get a Democrat in office, just as you want a conservative Republican in office.

If you want to believe he has no care for our troops and only wants to get a Democrat in the president chair then that's fine with me. I hope he succeeds in doing so but I also think he cares about our troops.

xingu wrote:

No I believe he is sincere about the safety of our troops. You are the one who believes he has no concern for our troops and just wants to get a Democrat in office, just as you want a conservative Republican in office.

If you want to believe he has no care for our troops and only wants to get a Democrat in the president chair then that's fine with me. I hope he succeeds in doing so but I also think he cares about our troops.

If any of them cared about our troops & wants them home now, they why don't they cut the funding? they've done it before.
BTW-I want a conservative in the WH, Dem, Repub, or In, I don't care.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

xingu wrote:

No I believe he is sincere about the safety of our troops. You are the one who believes he has no concern for our troops and just wants to get a Democrat in office, just as you want a conservative Republican in office.

If you want to believe he has no care for our troops and only wants to get a Democrat in the president chair then that's fine with me. I hope he succeeds in doing so but I also think he cares about our troops.

If any of them cared about our troops & wants them home now, they why don't they cut the funding? they've done it before.
BTW-I want a conservative in the WH, Dem, Repub, or In, I don't care.

If they cut the funding then the "you support terrorist" argument is thrown at them. However, now that the public is convinced that Bush's Iraq war is a blunder it may be easier to do.

H.R. 4232
Introduced by Rep. Jim McGovern (D-MA)



(For complete details about H.R. 4232, including a link to the full text of the bill, a list of co-sponsors, and recent actions on the bill in the U.S. House, click here.)

H.R.4232 would prohibit further use of Defense Department funds to deploy United States Armed Forces to Iraq. Funds could still be used to provide for:



the safe and orderly withdrawal of all troops;
consultations with other governments, NATO and the UN regarding international forces;
financial assistance and equipment to either Iraqi security forces and/or international forces.
In addition, the bill would not prohibit or restrict non-defense funding to carry out reconstruction in Iraq
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4232.IH:

LoneStar, "If that passes, I'll be shocked." Me too. But I support it and believe that is what America voted for on Nov.7. Bring home the troops within 6 months as Murtha called for. Jim McGovern's bill funds the withdrawal but not the war. If you really wanna be shocked ask America to vote on that proposal.

LoneStar, yeah sure, sure. The war in Iraq is keeping terrorist attacks out of America. Please explain how? Because the Liar in Chief says so? The insurgency in Iraq is overwhelmingly Iraqis fighting an occupation. As far as Americans are concerned a cool 12% say send more troops. "WASHINGTON -- A majority of Americans favor setting a fixed timetable for bringing troops home from Iraq and just 12 percent would support a plan to increase troop strength, an option under serious consideration by the military, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found." link

blueflame1 wrote:

LoneStar, yeah sure, sure. The war in Iraq is keeping terrorist attacks out of America. Please explain how? Because the Liar in Chief says so? The insurgency in Iraq is overwhelmingly Iraqis fighting an occupation. As far as Americans are concerned a cool 12% say send more troops. "WASHINGTON -- A majority of Americans favor setting a fixed timetable for bringing troops home from Iraq and just 12 percent would support a plan to increase troop strength, an option under serious consideration by the military, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found." link

I guess you're willing to take tha chance, I don't know that I am.
OBL said that he was shocked that we went to Afghanistan becuase after Somali he thought we were cowards & weak, we were weak, thatns to the REAl liar in chief. OBL also had Haiti to look at when one of our Navy ships was turned away (after the REAL liar in chief ordered them to turn around) by a bunch of rag tag natives shooting off pop guns. the the REAL liar in chief didn't turn his hand to go after Saddam after he shot at out pilots in the no fly zone. Maybe I missed it, but have we been attacked here since 911?
That 88% is not the C-n-C, it isn't their call. We have one President at a time, whether you & Kerry/Kennedy like it or not.

LoneStar, I aint surprised we haven't been attacked since 911. I aint surprised that over 70 million Americans say they dont buy the government's story and want new investigations. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if at some point Bushie/Cheney fly a false flag.

False flag attacks as pretexts for war
In the Gleiwitz incident in 1939, Reinhard Heydrich fabricated evidence of a Polish attack to mobilize German public opinion, and to fabricate a false justification, for a war with Poland.

In the 1931 Mukden incident, Japanese officers fabricated a pretext for annexing Manchuria by blowing up a section of railway.

The planned, but never executed, 1962 Operation Northwoods plot by the U.S. administration for a war with Cuba involved scenarios such as hijacking a passenger plane and blaming it on Cuba. It was authored by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, nixed by John F. Kennedy, came to light through the Freedom of Information Act and was publicized by James Bamford.

LoneStarMadam wrote:

blueflame1 wrote:

LoneStar, yeah sure, sure. The war in Iraq is keeping terrorist attacks out of America. Please explain how? Because the Liar in Chief says so? The insurgency in Iraq is overwhelmingly Iraqis fighting an occupation. As far as Americans are concerned a cool 12% say send more troops. "WASHINGTON -- A majority of Americans favor setting a fixed timetable for bringing troops home from Iraq and just 12 percent would support a plan to increase troop strength, an option under serious consideration by the military, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found." link

I guess you're willing to take tha chance, I don't know that I am.
OBL said that he was shocked that we went to Afghanistan becuase after Somali he thought we were cowards & weak, we were weak, thatns to the REAl liar in chief. OBL also had Haiti to look at when one of our Navy ships was turned away (after the REAL liar in chief ordered them to turn around) by a bunch of rag tag natives shooting off pop guns. the the REAL liar in chief didn't turn his hand to go after Saddam after he shot at out pilots in the no fly zone. Maybe I missed it, but have we been attacked here since 911?
That 88% is not the C-n-C, it isn't their call. We have one President at a time, whether you & Kerry/Kennedy like it or not.

LoneStar, your posts from the beginning have left many (perhaps most) of us so turned off by the bile that you started and continue with that anything you have to say is pretty much disregarded.

nothing to get hung about McG, you still rank up in the top 5 for inane vileness, LSM is but a rank amateur compared to yourself.

nothing to get hung about McG, you still rank up in the top 5 for inane vileness, LSM is but a rank amateur compared to yourself.

Perhaps due mostly in part by the warm welcome you and others gave LSM. You were all mostly a bunch of elitist jerks who thought she was someone else and you treated her like ****. You deserve what ever level of vileness LSM determines to give you as most have not made any effort at all in trying to talk with her as adults. Instead you chose to act like a bunch of adolescent shitheads.

So, I am sure if you ask LSM of her impressions of the A2K population, she would have little positive to say. I doubt she particularly cares what most of you liberal "free speech for me, but you better shut the hell up" **** really think.