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Bring David Hicks home (from Guantanamo) before Christmas!

 
 
bungie
 
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Reply Wed 11 Apr, 2007 01:23 am
I am waiting with baited breath to see how bonzai is going to get mileage out of this before the election.
There must be something in it somewhere.
Ok Ok, I'll go back to my corner.
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 12 Apr, 2007 07:34 am
bungie wrote:
I am waiting with baited breath to see how bonzai is going to get mileage out of this before the election.
There must be something in it somewhere.


The mileage is gained by burying "the David Hicks issue", bungie. Getting it off the agenda so it won't be an election issue. If people are no longer angry about it, it ceases to be a problem for the Libs. (So JH hopes!)

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/04/11/wbTOONWELDON1204_gallery__470x324,0.jpg
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 29 Apr, 2007 07:06 am
Five years at Guantanamo Bay without a trial for "relatively minor crimes". I can't see how the Australian government wouldn't have been aware that he was more like small fry than the dangerous terrorist they made him out to be. Shame.:

Last Update: Saturday, April 28, 2007. 12:13pm (AEST)
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200703/r134788_454126.jpg
US military prosecutors share their thoughts about David Hicks in a new book. (Reuters)

Hicks's crimes were minor: US military prosecutors

In her detailed account of David Hicks's time at Guantanamo Bay, ABC journalist Leigh Sales has made public the previously private views of his US prosecutors.

In Detainee 002: The Case of David Hicks, Sales reveals the United States military prosecutors described Hicks as a man of "no personal courage or intellect" who submitted when he was questioned.

"I think he read Soldier of Fortune magazine too many times," said John Altenburg, the top US official in the Office of Military Commissions from 2004 to last year.

"His case was a very ordinary case; there was nothing special about it in that clearly he was but a foot soldier, not a leader or a planner ... for people wanting to see the worst of the worst, this was not going to be it."

Sales writes the prosecutors said the convicted Australian's crimes were relatively minor compared to those of his fellow inmates, damaging the Federal Government's description of Hicks as a dangerous terrorist.

Hicks was detained for five years at the American military base at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba before pleading guilty to providing material support for terrorism.

He was sentenced to nine months' jail and is due to be returned to a South Australian jail by the end of May.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200704/s1908852.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 01:11 am
How David Hicks has let Bush and Howard off the hook
Leigh Sales
May 7, 2007/the AGE


DAVID Hicks did the Howard Government a huge favour when he decided, in Guantanamo Bay just over a month ago, to plead guilty to giving material support to terrorism. He ensured the issue almost instantly disappeared as an electoral concern, seemingly rescuing our Government and the Bush administration from further scrutiny of their actions during the sorry five-year saga of his imprisonment.

That should not be allowed to happen. With Hicks due home any day, it is time to consider the broader issues raised by his case.

After September 11, 2001, the Bush Administration launched its war on terror with two goals: to make the world safe from terrorism and to mete out swift justice to terrorists. Neither the handling of David Hicks nor the broader Guantanamo policy has served those aims.

After five chaotic years, Hicks is the only detainee to have gone through the controversial military commissions. The other prisoners remain in limbo. Furthermore, figures collated by the US State Department's counter-terrorism centre show that terrorism is increasing. In 2004 there were about 3000 terrorist attacks around the world. In 2005 there were more than 11,000. Last year there were 14,000. ...<cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/opinion/how-david-hicks-let-bush-and-howard-off-the-hook/2007/05/06/1178390134757.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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bungie
 
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Reply Mon 7 May, 2007 12:58 pm
DAVID WHO ?

Looks like you were right msolga. It won't be an election issue.

Everyone has forgotten already.
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 9 May, 2007 04:02 am
bungie wrote:
DAVID WHO ?

Looks like you were right msolga. It won't be an election issue.

Everyone has forgotten already.


Well, not quite, bungie.

But I suspect this particular issue involving principle might have gotten rather lost amongst the over-riding ones like IR, "the economy" & interest rates! Just as well it was resolved when it was!

Hey, I read that David Hicks could be returned to Oz in something like a week! Surprised
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 12:20 am
I wonder what these "logistical issues" could be?:

Hicks return this week 'unlikely'
May 13, 2007 - 4:10PM/the AGE

Confessed terrorism supporter David Hicks probably won't be returned to Australia by Thursday, says Foreign Affairs Minister Alexander Downer.

Mr Downer said today that despite media speculation that Hicks could arrive in his hometown of Adelaide as early as Thursday, that was not the case.


"No exact time for his return has been determined yet," Mr Downer told journalists in the Adelaide Hills town of Stirling.

Hicks' Australian lawyer, David McLeod, this morning left Adelaide bound for Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where the 31-year-old father of two has been in US military custody for more than five years.

Mr Downer said there were logistical issues to take care of and it was "very unlikely" Hicks would return to Adelaide this week.

"He won't be coming back on Thursday," he said.

"It's unlikely it will be on Sunday but it's likely it will be in the next 10 days or so beyond the end of this week."

Under the agreement reached with the US Government, Hicks is supposed to return to Adelaide by May 29 to serve seven months in Yatala Labour Prison. ...<cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/hicks-return-this-week-unlikely/2007/05/13/1178994983877.html
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 12:29 am
And Hicks lawyer Major Mori Passed over for promotion. Weeellll whadayaknow?
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 12:43 am
This looks an enthralling, warts & all, account & analysis of the David Hicks drama (fiasco) written by Australian journalist, Leigh Sales. I'll definitely be reading it, to fill in the gaps in my knowledge & understanding of what happened & why:

Detainee 002: The case of David Hicks
Gerry Simpson, Reviewer
May 11, 2007/AGE book reviews


Author:Leigh Sales/GenreSociety/Politics, Biography/Publisher:Melbourne University Press

"Detainee was reminded that no one loved, cared or remembered him. He was reminded that he was less than human . . . Detainee began to cry." (Interrogation log on Guantanamo Bay prisoner Mohammad al Qahtani, December 2002)

" 'If you are a man, Winston, you are the last man. Do you understand that you are alone? You are outside history, you are non-existent' . . . Before he knew what he was doing Winston had collapsed onto a small bed and burst into tears." (O'Brien's interrogation of Winston Smith in George Orwell's 1984)

THERE ARE MANY remarkable features of the strange case of David Hicks but perhaps the most remarkable is that, in the face of public indifference from the two major political parties in Australia, his detention without trial by Australia's main ally has become a cause celebre. Make no mistake, there is now a widespread sense among those electorally all-important "ordinary Australians" that something is rotten in the camps of Guantanamo Bay.

This popular response to the Hicks case is motivated partly by a sense of justice (locking up a person for five years without trial is wrong), partly by a feeling of patriotism (it is especially unacceptable that Americans are imprisoning Australians without trial) and partly by anti-government sentiment (it is infuriating that an Australian government could be so supine in its dealings with the US).

Leigh Sales' astutely paced and absorbing account of the Hicks fiasco tells us how all of this came to pass. Sales' book (in part a story of heroes and villains) describes, also, that most frightening of modern nightmares: what Karl Marx called "rule by nobody" and what Hannah Arendt characterised, irresistibly, as "the banality of evil". David Hicks spent five years in Guantanamo Bay because of a vicious combination of bureaucratic inertia, moral vacuity and political failure.

Amazingly, it turns out that no one really wanted him there. The Howard Government (active and nervous in private, blase in public) sensed a PR disaster quite early on and wanted the matter closed swiftly; the State Department was embarrassed by Camp Delta; the Pentagon was paralysed by infighting; human rights groups condemned the facility; the European Union demanded its closure; a UK Law Lord portrayed it as "a legal black hole" and Tony Blair called it an "anomaly". Eventually, with 71 per cent of Americans concerned about the ill-treatment of detainees, even George Bush declared: "I'd like to close Guantanamo."

Perhaps the story of Guantanamo Bay is best understood as one in which the efforts of decent human beings (including many military lawyers and officials in the US, some camp guards in Cuba, and Australian consular officials) are undone by a monstrous systemic deformity and the moral failure of a few key individuals. Unfortunately, when even a fraction of the elite signals that the unacceptable is now acceptable, the result is inhumane treatment.

Donald Rumsfeld slandered the detainees as the "worst of the worst", John Yoo, a young lawyer in the Justice Department, rewrote international law to allow the torture of suspects (setting the Western legal order back two centuries) and Dick Cheney, in a statement verging on self-parody, recommended working through "the dark side" in response to terrorism.

Compared to this triad, Howard et al are mostly guilty of passivity
, middle-power anxiety, evasion and imprudence. Howard himself seems to lack the political skills for which he was so famed. He impulsively activates ANZUS in 2001, he supports the military commissions publicly when he should have, like the British, waited to see whether such proceedings could possibly deliver justice and he spends five years believing, in the face of contrary evidence, that the trial of Hicks was imminent. It is especially embarrassing that, given Howard's slavish devotion to Bush, Blair got his citizens home while another imprisoned Australian, Mamdouh Habib, was allegedly tortured in Egypt and Hicks languished in Cuba.

But what about the other two key protagonists: Hicks and his defence lawyer, Major Michael Mori? Hicks is as enigmatic as the picture of him on the cover of the book: an acrylic blur. Sales portrays him as megalomaniacal, delusionary, weak-willed and anti-Semitic. He is a wastrel from South Australia who ended up in Kosovo and Afghanistan via a moderate mosque in Adelaide. He is the "accidental terrorist" who threatened to derail US-Australian relations and has undermined John Howard's carefully choreographed nationalism. ..<cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/book-reviews/detainee-002-the-case-of-david-hicks/2007/05/11/1178390533929.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 12:51 am
dadpad wrote:
And Hicks lawyer Major Mori Passed over for promotion. Weeellll whadayaknow?


You're not surprised?

Funny that.

Neither am I.

An alternative career in Oz, do you think?
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 01:03 am
The case may not have generated enough publicity in the US to be of benefit to him, but Oz is probably not on the cards as the legal system is too different.

Alternative career maybe but can't think what.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 13 May, 2007 01:13 am
dadpad wrote:
The case may not have generated enough publicity in the US to be of benefit to him, but Oz is probably not on the cards as the legal system is too different.

Alternative career maybe but can't think what.


The US military would be very well aware of his success in the Hicks case. Too well aware, most likely. And that's where his promotion was knocked back.

I was half-joking about an alternative career in Oz, dadpad.
US A2Kers should be aware that Major Mori is considered a hero in Australia. One of the few people who came out of this fiasco with his integrity intact. Certainly the only American I can name.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 02:05 am
Last Update: Saturday, May 19, 2007. 5:06pm (AEST)
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200703/r134615_453264.jpg
Terry Hicks says the Government is trying to paint his son as a dangerous terrorist. (File photo) (Reuters)

Father angered by secrecy of Hicks's return

The father of convicted terrorism supporter David Hicks says he is angry the details of his son's return have been kept secret from him.

It is believed Hicks is now being flown to Adelaide's Yatala prison, where he will complete a nine-month sentence for providing material support for terrorism.

Terry Hicks says the Federal Government is trying to paint his son as a dangerous terrorist.

"The Government won't divulge the time of leaving, the time of arrival, only the time that he arrives in Yatala prison," he said.

"You've got to remember that David Hicks is a very high security risk - this is what the Government would like people to think."

Mr Hicks also says he is afraid his son will be demonised when he returns to Australia.

He says he is angry South Australian Premier Mike Rann has described his son as potential terrorist threat.

"My argument to Mr Rann is get David's charge sheet and have a look to see where [it says] he's killed, bombed anything, blown anything up or done any harm to anyone - then make your claims," he said.

"But he won't find them."

Meanwhile, Greens leader Bob Brown has described as "high farce" the repatriation of Hicks.

He says Hicks's transfer from Guantanamo Bay to Adelaide on a chartered flight will cost taxpayers up to $500,000.

In other developments:

The Australian Greens leader has described as "high farce" the repatriation of convicted terrorism supporter David Hicks. (Full Story)
Convicted Australian terrorism supporter David Hicks is expected leave Guantanamo Bay detention centre in Cuba within the next few hours. (Full Story)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200705/s1927578.htm
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 04:59 pm
Yep...it's farce, all right...bit I would call it low farce.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2007 06:16 am
'Overjoyed' Hicks touches down
May 20, 2007 - 8:37PM

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/05/20/yatala_wideweb__470x295,0.jpg
The van carrying Hicks drives into the prison complex.
Photo: David Mariuz


Convicted terrorist supporter David Hicks was "overjoyed" when he landed in Australia this morning after a 24-hour trip from the notorious Guantanamo Bay prison to his home town of Adelaide, his lawyer says.

Hicks ate, chatted and looked out the window during his private jet flight to Adelaide, according to David McLeod. Then, along with his gaolers, he watched the first movie he'd seen in more than five years.

McLeod wouldn't say what film the strange collection of viewers on board the government-chartered luxury jet had watched.

The Gulfstream landed at Edinburgh RAAF base in Adelaide's outer suburbs at 9.50am (10.20am AEST).

McLeod, who caught a taxi to Yatala Prison while his client streaked ahead in a full police escort, said the trip had been very pleasant.

"David is well and he enjoyed the trip," he said. "...He was very glad to be back on Australian soil, he was visibly overjoyed when we touched down in Edinburgh."

Now Hicks says he wants to repay the faith of those who fought for his release by being a model prisoner. He has instructed Mr McLeod to immediately drop all court actions - including his push for British citizenship - and says he will not take further legal action and will not attempt to profit from his story. ...<cont>

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/hicks-touches-down/2007/05/20/1179601221173.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap1
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msolga
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2007 06:51 am
dlowan wrote:
Yep...it's farce, all right...bit I would call it low farce.



Nah, high farce, definitely! :wink:
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2007 01:36 pm
well he's home. Before Christmas too.

What was he doing in Afghanistan?
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 20 May, 2007 08:36 pm
msolga wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Yep...it's farce, all right...bit I would call it low farce.



Nah, high farce, definitely! :wink:



You know, it's a sad day when someone is overjoyed to be welcomed into Yatala's gloomy bowels.
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 01:12 am
dlowan wrote:
msolga wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Yep...it's farce, all right...bit I would call it low farce.



Nah, high farce, definitely! :wink:



You know, it's a sad day when someone is overjoyed to be welcomed into Yatala's gloomy bowels.


It is, isn't it? Sad
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msolga
 
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Reply Mon 21 May, 2007 01:16 am
Steve 41oo wrote:
well he's home. Before Christmas too.

What was he doing in Afghanistan?


You know perfectly well what he was doing there, Steve. (And you'd also know that this did not involve combat, or killing anyone.)

And he's spent more than 5 miserable years in a hell hole without a proper trial, paying for it.
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