Futher roll-backs on the Bushevik Stupidity Front

But blaming Bush is based on its own merits.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

I didn't mean to lead us into a discussion about drug laws. My point is just because complete success may be futile, it doesn't follow that the effort shouldn't be made. Society will probably never be able to prevent bank robberies, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws proscribing such behavior.

Sure. But by extension, realizing that complete success is futile - such as in the case of trying to restrict nuclear technology from countries who have time and money to get it - should soften your attitude as to whose 'watch' certain actions occured under.

Unless you are advocating the military overthrow of NK - something which would undoubtedly have much larger consequences - then it was only a matter of time until this happened.

Israel's strike against Iraq's nuclear facilities was successful, wouldn't you agree?

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Blaming either Bush or Clinton is futile, as there isn't anything short of armed invasion that would have stopped it.

Cycloptichorn

Let me clarify my position re pointing blame on this issue. While I am critical of Clinton for not having tried a military strike back in 1993, I fully understand that is with the benefit of hindsight. I do not blame him (or Carter) for attempting a diplomatic solution. I submit we must learn from our mistake. I agree with you that it is rather silly to blame either one. My response here, though, is in reply to posts blaming Bush.

Clinton was more responsible for North Korea developing nuclear weapons, and only a dumbass would argue otherwise.

Ticomaya wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

I didn't mean to lead us into a discussion about drug laws. My point is just because complete success may be futile, it doesn't follow that the effort shouldn't be made. Society will probably never be able to prevent bank robberies, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have laws proscribing such behavior.

Sure. But by extension, realizing that complete success is futile - such as in the case of trying to restrict nuclear technology from countries who have time and money to get it - should soften your attitude as to whose 'watch' certain actions occured under.

Unless you are advocating the military overthrow of NK - something which would undoubtedly have much larger consequences - then it was only a matter of time until this happened.

Israel's strike against Iraq's nuclear facilities was successful, wouldn't you agree?

So you are saying we no have to worry about Iraq building nukes? It seems the Iraqi bombing was about as successful as Clinton's deal with North Korea.

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Blaming either Bush or Clinton is futile, as there isn't anything short of armed invasion that would have stopped it.

Cycloptichorn

Let me clarify my position re pointing blame on this issue. While I am critical of Clinton for not having tried a military strike back in 1993, I fully understand that is with the benefit of hindsight. I do not blame him (or Carter) for attempting a diplomatic solution. I submit we must learn from our mistake. I agree with you that it is rather silly to blame either one. My response here, though, is in reply to posts blaming Bush.

Your statement was..

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Clinton was more responsible for North Korea developing nuclear weapons, and only a dumbass would argue otherwise.

Rather silly of you there Tico, wouldn't you agree? Not only did you claim one was more responsible you called anyone that didn't agree with that position a "dumbass". Are you a dumbass now? Or were you one when you made the statement earlier?

I agree with you that it is rather silly to blame either one.

Ticomaya wrote:

I agree with you that it is rather silly to blame either one.

So you don't agree then?

tico wrote (both):
I agree with you that it is rather silly to blame either one.
Clinton was more responsible for North Korea developing nuclear weapons, and only a dumbass would argue otherwise.

Who's confused? CLUE: It isn't parados.

parados wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

I agree with you that it is rather silly to blame either one.

So you don't agree then?

Try to follow along: It is silly for one to engage in the process of blaming anyone other than North Korea for NK obtaining nukes. But if one is engaged in that activity, it is clear that Clinton bears a greater share of responsibility than Bush.

Let me know if you are still confused.

Ticomaya wrote:

parados wrote:

Ticomaya wrote:

I agree with you that it is rather silly to blame either one.

So you don't agree then?

Try to follow along: It is silly for one to engage in the process of blaming anyone other than North Korea for NK obtaining nukes. But if one is engaged in that activity, it is clear that Clinton bears a greater share of responsibility than Bush.

Let me know if you are still confused.

That might be what you meant, but that's not what you said. Thus, wouldn't you agree that if you said something that conveyed a completely different meaning than what you intended -- -- that was a stupid thing to say?

Bear in mind that I can't help it if your narrow, linear thought process renders you incapable of following along with the logical flow of the discussion.

That's pretty funny Tico.

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Bear in mind that I can't help it if your narrow, linear thought process renders you incapable of following along with the logical flow of the discussion.

I only used your thinking and words...

http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2431385#2431385

It is precisely what I said, and I said nothing that would convey a different meaning ... at least not with reasonable and intelligent people. Bear in mind that I can't help it if your narrow, linear thought process renders you incapable of following along with the logical flow of the discussion.

You used my words, but you have demonstrated time and again that you do not have the capacity to use my thinking.

Thanks for the substantive contribution there OBill.



I noticed you didn't answer any of my posts that dealt with the reality of NK.

Here we see the result of failing to read the thread, or history. Clinton accepted the interference of a civilian with zero authority... resulting in millions of dead Koreans and eventually plutonium based nuclear weaponry.