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qulloquial idioms

 
 
Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 05:48 am
Hi everybody,
I saw a book named "English Colloquial Idioms", whose publication date was 1969, reprinted 1976. Now the question is: with regard to the rather old date, can I be sure that English speaking people use the idioms in this book today?
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Roberta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 06:04 am
Although there's a good chance that the expressions used in the book would still be used today, chances are that a great many colloquial expressions that are more current would be missing.

I suggest you look for something more up-to-date.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 06:21 am
Re: qulloquial idioms
khorrami wrote:
Hi everybody,
I saw a book named "English Colloquial Idioms", whose publication date was 1969, reprinted 1976. Now the question is: with regard to the rather old date, can I be sure that English speaking people use the idioms in this book today?



Some are likely to be that same, others are likely to be different.


I woud try to get a newer book, if I were you.


Or perhaps look on the net?


Do you have free access to the net where you are?

Edit: Sorry Boida!


Her eare some English as a Second Language resources from the A2k portal:


http://search.able2know.com/Education___Reference/Language/English_as_a_Second_Language__ESL_/index.html
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 06:28 am
And here are some sites I got by entering "English Idioms" into the Google search engine:


http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/



http://www.geocities.com/Athens/aegean/6720/


http://humanities.byu.edu/elc/student/idioms/idiomsmain.html



http://www.idiomconnection.com/


http://eslcafe.com/idioms/


http://www.idiomsite.com/


http://www.learn-english-today.com/idioms/idioms_proverbs.html


http://towerofenglish.com/idioms.html



I do hope some prove useful to you.



(By the way.....the word is "colloquial" not "quulloquial"...I hope you do not mind the correction.)
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 08:47 am
If it lists "the bee's knees" then find another book.
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Diane
 
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Reply Thu 7 Dec, 2006 06:19 pm
Hah, Drewdad, "hubba, hubba," "Oh you kid," "Twenty two skiddoo," are a few more that indicate phrases that are wildly out of date. Even I, an old broad, never heard those used when I was a kid.

I remember a friend posting a list of English phrases that were likely to drive foreign speakers crazy. I'll see if I can find it for you, khorrami.

One other thing, some idioms are only used by younger people, mostly teenagers. Mature adults might not ever hear them unless they have teens at home.
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Diane
 
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Reply Thu 7 Dec, 2006 06:30 pm
Khorrami, here are some of the phrases I was talking about. My apologies if this drives you crazy.

Can you read these right the first time?
1) The bandage was wound around the wound.
2) The farm was used to produce produce.
3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
4) We must polish the Polish furniture.
5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.
6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.
8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum
9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.
10) I did not object to the object.
11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
13) They were too close to the door to close it.
14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.
15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
18) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.
19) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
20) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend? Let's face it - English is a crazy language.
There is no egg in eggplant, nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France. Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat.

We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig. And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham? If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth, beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices? Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it? If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat?

Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell? How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.

English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible. PS. - Why doesn't "Buick" rhyme with "quick"

You lovers of the English language might enjoy this: There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is "UP." It's easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP? At a meeting, why does a topic come UP? Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report? We call UP our friends. And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP the silver, we warm UP the leftovers and clean UPthe kitchen. We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car. At other times the little word has real special meaning. People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses. To be dressed is one thing but to be dressed UP is special. And this UP is confusing: A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP. We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night.

We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP! To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary. In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions. If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used. It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don't give UP, you may wind UP with a hundred or more. When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP. When the sun comes out we say it is clearing UP. When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP. When it doesn't rain for awhile, things dry UP. One could go on and on, but I'll wrap it UP, for now my time is UP, so... time to shut UP...!

Oh...one more thing: What is the first thing you do in the morning & the last thing you do at night? U-P
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syntinen
 
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Reply Fri 8 Dec, 2006 07:44 am
Another thing you need to bear in mind is that there is US English, British English, Australian English, Indian English, and many, many more. Each has colloquial idioms which may sound strange, incomprehensible, archaic or even downright offensive to people from elsewhere in the English-speaking world. So a book published in the UK, however up-to-date, could be very misleading if you wish to communicate with Americans, and vice versa.

An example from this very thread: drewdad says "if it lists the bees' knees, get yourself another book" - but people of middle age and above do routinely use this phrase here in the UK.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Fri 8 Dec, 2006 07:55 am
Lots of regional phrases, too. "Flat as a flitter" is common in west Texas, but not the rest of the state.
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Diane
 
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Reply Fri 8 Dec, 2006 01:36 pm
This thread is interesting to anyone who speaks English, or some version of English.

Never heard of "Flat as a flitter" even though both my parents were from Texas.

What's a flitter???
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