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Iraq, Civil war or not?

 
 
au1929
 
Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 09:09 am
Is there or isn't there a civil war in Iraq. Bush and his camp followers insist that there is not and the insurgents are bombing both the Sunni's and Shia to make it appear so. However, most knowledgeable assessments are that the situation has indeed deteriorated to
the point of being a civil war. Further, Americans are being targeted by both sides. Assuming that it is indeed a civil war can or should our forces remain in Iraq and become embroiled in said civil war?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 09:14 am
What is the working definition of a civil war?
Surely it isn't whether or not Bush and Co. think there is a civil war.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 09:18 am
Quote:
civil war is a war in which parties within the same culture, society or nationality fight for political power or control of an area. Political scientists use two criteria: the warring groups must be from the same country and fighting for control of the political center, control over a separatist state or to force a major change in policy. The second criterion is that at least 1,000 people must have been killed in total, with at least 100 from each side


Source

This may help the discussion along.
Whether Bush and Co. say there is or isn't a civil war is like asking Kenneth Lay in 2000 how Enron is doing.
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 09:35 am
Of course, it's a civil war, it was a low level civil war escalating lately into an all-out civil war.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 09:42 am
If it is a civil war should we get our troops out of harms way as soon as humanly possible.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 09:56 am
Bush blames Al Qaeda for violence in Iraq


RIGA, Latvia: Dismissing suggestions that Iraq has deteriorated into a civil war, President George W. Bush on Tuesday blamed Al Qaeda for the rising tide of sectarian violence there and said he would press the Iraqi prime minister to lay out a strategy for stopping the killings when the two meet in Jordan this week.

"My questions to him will be: 'What do we need to do to succeed? What is your strategy in dealing with the sectarian violence?'" the president said, referring to Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki. "I will assure him that we will continue to pursue Al Qaeda to make sure that they do not establish a safe haven in Iraq."

Bush made his remarks at a morning press conference in Tallinn, Estonia, where he made a brief stopover before flying to Riga to attend a NATO summit meeting.

The comments were the first by Bush on the situation in Iraq since a series of bombs killed more than 200 people in a Shiite district of Baghdad last Thursday, the deadliest attack since the American invasion



http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/11/28/news/bush.php
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 09:56 am
A small nuke in Sadr city would probably put an end to any civil war.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 09:59 am
MgC,MgC
Your genius makes everything so simple. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:05 am
Then the Iraqis would really be grateful to the beacon of peace and democracy....to the liberators.
Only then could they really appreciate not having a brutal dictator in power.

You're right....there is nothing a nuke cant fix.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:07 am
Re: Iraq, Civil war or not?
au1929 wrote:
Is there or isn't there a civil war in Iraq. Bush and his camp followers insist that there is not and the insurgents are bombing both the Sunni's and Shia to make it appear so. However, most knowledgeable assessments are that the situation has indeed deteriorated to
the point of being a civil war. Further, Americans are being targeted by both sides. Assuming that it is indeed a civil war can or should our forces remain in Iraq and become embroiled in said civil war?


By definition, CIVIL WAR, it is not clear since Government troops are not or do not seem to be a major part of the in-fighting. However, that point is moot as it relates to our troops being caught in-between.

It is not part of our mission to stay and try to be "peace-makers" between the waring parties. Our troops mission was accomplished many months ago when we stopped looking for WMD and removed Saddam from power.

We should leave yesterday.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:08 am
I am yet to understand the conservative calls to nuke or carpet bomb Iraq. Somehow the Iraqi population must suffer at the hands of the US for something the US is responsible for.
The US brought Saddam into power, the US armed Saddam, the US emboldened him, the US did business with him while he was committing the atrocities the US is trying him for...and now a select US population thinks they should just bomb a bunch of innocent civilians.

All for what?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:13 am
Jon Stewart had a great thing about this last night. He had Tony Snow basically saying what a civil war is, which was pretty close to the dictionary definition below...

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civil war: a war between political factions or regions within the same country.


...and then rejecting the label, saying that it is, in actuality, "sectarian violence that seems to be less aimed at gaining full control over an area than expressing differences.''

I have one question. How high is Tony Snow?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:13 am
If you can get Monkey al Sadr out alone in the desert, a 9mm would work just as well as a nuke. I am open to other suggestions though. Have any? Or do you guys just prefer to whine and moan about it?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:17 am
McGentrix wrote:
If you can get Monkey al Sadr out alone in the desert, a 9mm would work just as well as a nuke. I am open to other suggestions though. Have any? Or do you guys just prefer to whine and moan about it?


That was the proposed "solution" to Saddam.
Remove him from power and Iraq would be dancing in the streets.

The texas cowboy routine has been played out.
Get some new material.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:18 am
Some of us just don't believe that murdering people is the solution to our problems.

Cycloptichorn
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:21 am
The Christian conservative cabal on this site believe that killing, even indiscriminate killing, is the solution to everything.
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au1929
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:27 am
candidone1 wrote:
The Christian conservative cabal on this site believe that killing, even indiscriminate killing, is the solution to everything.


I wonder how they justify that and still claim to follow the teachings of their religion?

No research on fetal stem cells, you are killing a person but OK to bomb the **** out of cities and kill hundreds.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:49 am
au1929 wrote:
candidone1 wrote:
The Christian conservative cabal on this site believe that killing, even indiscriminate killing, is the solution to everything.


I wonder how they justify that and still claim to follow the teachings of their religion?

No research on fetal stem cells, you are killing a person but OK to bomb the **** out of cities and kill hundreds.


They find that religious beliefs do not need to parallel political beliefs, and that neither belief requires any synthesis.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:50 am
candidone1 wrote:
The Christian conservative cabal on this site believe that killing, even indiscriminate killing, is the solution to everything.


I haven't seen any of them around, who would they be?
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 29 Nov, 2006 10:58 am
Is Sadr the new boogeyman now? Who do you think the next one will be?
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