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Don't tell me there's no proof for evolution

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2009 01:19 pm
@AnswerMan,
See! You don't understand evolution. Science does not rely on the poof theory. They rely on observable evidence.

Many scientists now believe there are life forms in other galaxies. What will you creationists do when that is discovered and provided with evidence? We have barely touched on Mars, and our future is sure to make more discoveries about our galaxies and others. Don't forget, this kind of "science" is relatively still very young. The first rocket was just created and used during WWII, and we have since then landed on the moon and sent satellites to Mars.
spendius
 
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Reply Sat 25 Apr, 2009 01:31 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:
Many scientists now believe there are life forms in other galaxies.


It's amazing what some people will say they believe in order to get on telly when they can't hit home runs or score goals.

That post ci. is a real eyeball roller. One really ought to turn away in embarrassment I suppose but still....
solipsister
 
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Reply Sun 26 Apr, 2009 04:57 am
@spendius,
rocket science
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 Apr, 2009 07:25 am
@solipsister,
Sure-- Here's James Joyce's take on the microcosmic-

Quote:
Of the eons of geological periods recorded in the stratifications of the earth: of the myriad minute entomological organic existences concealed in cavities of the earth, beneath removable stones, in hives and mounds, of microbes, germs, bacteria, spermatozoa; of the incalcuable trillions of billions of millions of imperceptible molecules contained by cohesion of molecular affinity in a single pinhead; of the universe of human serum constellated with red and white bodies, themselves universes of void space constellated with other bodies, each, in continuity, its universe of divisible component bodies of which each was again divisible in divisions or redivisible component bodies, dividends and divisors ever diminishing without actual division till, if the progress were carried far enough, nought nowhere was never reached.


How's that ss for a bit of rocket science?

I'll quote the macrocosmic take sometime later.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 26 Apr, 2009 08:35 am
What spectacle confronted them when they, first the host, then the guest, emerged silently, doubly dark from obscurity by a passage from the rear of the house, into the penumbra of the garden, the heaven-tree of stars, hung with humid, nightblue fruit. With what meditations did Bloom accompany his demonstration to his companion of various constellations? Meditations of evolution increasingly vaster, of the moon, invisible in incipient lunation approaching perigee. Of the infinite litiginous, scintillating, uncondensed Milky Way, discernable by daylight by an observer placed at the lower end of a cylindrical, vertical shaft, 5,000 deep sunk from the surface towards the centre of the earth: Of Sirius, (alpha in Canis Major), 10 light years, 57,000,000,000,000 miles distant, and in volume 900 times the dimension of our planet. Of Arcturus: of the precession of equinoxes: of Orion with belt and sextuple sun, theta and nebula, in which a hundred of our solar systems could be contained: of moribund and of nascent new stars such as Nova in 1901: of our system plunging towards the constellation of Hercules: of the parallax or parallactic drift of so-called fixed stars, in reality ever-moving from immeasurably remote aeons to infinitely remote futures, in comparison with which the years, threescore and ten, of allotted human life formed a parenthesis of infinitesimal brevity.

Were there obverse meditations of involution increasingly less vast?
Of the aeons and geological periods recorded in the stratifications of the earth: of the myriad, minute tantamological organic existences concealed in cavities of the earth, beneath removable stones, in hives and mounds, of microbes, germs, bacteria, baccili, spermatozoa: of the incalculable trillions of billions of millions of imperceptible molecules contained by cohesion of molecular affinity in a single pinhead: of the universe of human serum constellated with red and white bodies, themselves universes of void space constellated with other bodies, each in continuity, its universe of divisible component bodies of which each was again divisible in divisions of redivisible component bodies. Dividends and divisors, ever-diminishing without actual division, till, if the progress were carried far enough, nought nowhere was never reached.

His, Bloom’s, logical conclusion, having weighed the matter and allowing for possible error?

That it was not a heaventree, not a heavengrot, not a heavenbeast, not a heavenman. That it was a Utopia, there being no known method from the known to the unknown: an infinity, renderable equally finite by the suppositious probable apposition of one or more bodies equally of the same and of different magnitudes: a mobility of illusory forms, immobilised in space, remobilised in air: a past which possibly had ceased to exist as a present before its future spectators had entered actual present existence.
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 26 Apr, 2009 09:28 am
@Lightwizard,
Hilarious innit LW?
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theMadOne
 
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Reply Sat 9 May, 2009 11:41 am
@aperson,
I will be GLAD to tell you there is no Proof!

Billions of cells, made of
countless billions of molecules,
made of countless trillions of atoms,
made of countless trillions and more
trillions of sub-atomic particles.
All arranged to co-operate together
in systems- muscles, skeletons, organs,
nervous systems, etc, and designed in
a manner allowing them to exist in
different environments.
Thus, all living things are complex
beyond full comprehension!

The odds are infinitly better for you
or I to go to the store every day for
a long lifetime, and to hit the big
jackpot EACH and EVERY TIME.

Modern technology, with centuries of
science behind it, is FINALLY able to
make some crude robots, based on the
design of biology.

It would be FAR more credible that these
robots (such as the wacaru by
Mitusbishi- pardon my spelling) could
build themselves than to swallow the
Dogma of Evolution!

Then we have the 'Big Bang'...
Anyone ever hear of an explosion where
the exploded matter gathers together
forming things?

All the planets- and their many moons-
all in perfect orbits?
aperson
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 03:39 am
@theMadOne,
GEROFA MAH THREAD CRETINIST SCUM [cocks shotgun].

Please do not use House as an avatar. He is an intelligent atheist, and you are neither. Come back when you acquire brains, education, and an argument that isn't some fluffy, unscientifc assertion against a mainstream, widely accepted scientific theory akin to gravity and thermodynamics.
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aperson
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 03:46 am
@theMadOne,
PS If you ever, EVER attempt to live up to the great poet OmSigDAVID again, I will puke.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 04:05 am
Quote:
The odds are infinitly(sic) better for you
or I to go to the store every day for
a long lifetime, and to hit the big
jackpot EACH and EVERY TIME.


I've seen this quote, or something like it, numerous times and it is the clearest example of how little those quoting it (and those who gave it to them to quote) understand about the process. Stunning really, they think evolution reflects easy wins, jackpot each and every time, while everyone else looks at the history and data and sees the reality.

Joe(got a quadrillion trillion billion billion tickets before the first eukaryote. And it died.)Nation
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 04:13 am
Quote:
All the planets- and their many moons-
all in perfect orbits?

Is this a real question? I know Bible believers think the planets and moons are in perfect orbits but Kepler, in the mid-1600s whilst the Puritans were burning witches, figured out the movements correctly as ellipses.

Joe(Holy mackerel, your Holiness, they's egg-shaped!)Nation
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 08:27 am
@Joe Nation,
Not only that but over time, every planet changes it's orbit. Do we all really want to "Able2Know" this troll?
spendius
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 10:59 am
@Lightwizard,
The only thing you ever try to Able anybody 2 Know LW is what a big cheese you are. And anybody who doesn't buy it, and only a complete fool would, is a troll.
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DontTreadOnMe
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 07:39 pm
@theMadOne,
theMadOne wrote:

I will be GLAD to tell you there is no Proof!
Then we have the 'Big Bang'...
Anyone ever hear of an explosion where
the exploded matter gathers together
forming things?

All the planets- and their many moons-
all in perfect orbits?


anyone ever hear of Gravity?
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 08:04 pm
@DontTreadOnMe,
Don't bother the trolls with any technical details -- they can't swallow them. They eat Popes.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 10 May, 2009 09:48 pm
@Joe Nation,
Even earth isn't a "perfect" ball-shape.

Quote:
The circumference around the equator is 40,075.02 km.

Around the poles it's 40,007.86 km.

The earth is actually wider at the eqautor, it's kind of a "bulge".
Source(s):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth


Also, if we get back to the real basics of the bible against science, we find that galaxies are millions of years away from earth, so when god said "let there be light," there was "light" in the heavens before he said that!
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 08:53 am
@cicerone imposter,
He never said any such thing. Men imagined Him having said it because from their point of view it seemed the sort of sensible thing He might have said.

There was no before. There's having to wash your hands before dinner style of before and there's the I hadn't realised just how stupid you are c.i. before you brought that before our eyes style of before as an after effect of you having decided He might have said let there be light even though there already was light before He said it. It isn't unknown for people to take the credit for what came before.

Most sensible people prefer to think He did say let there be light and there was light. It's easy you see. So you can forget about it. It saves you going barmy too.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 09:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
The Bible was supposedly dictated to scribes by the head honcho and we know anyone who hears voices out of thin air today are schizophrenic. The "let there be light" was supposedly not conjured up out of imagination with no scientific concept of what light actually is composed of. I'm assuming they meant the light from the Sun, the Moon and the pinpoints of lights in the sky which are stars, rather than the campfire, candle, torch, lantern, or fireflies at night. Then Constantine summoned a panel of experts (a committee of those who represented themselves as authorities on the subject) to play editor of all these writings, tossing most of them away in favor of those who, put together, made a book about as coherent as something written by a group of inmates in an asylum.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 10:01 am
@Lightwizard,
Yeah, but when he said "let their be light," he also said divide it by dark and light. DUH!
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Mon 11 May, 2009 10:06 am
@cicerone imposter,
It was dark at the beginning of time and he, she, it couldn't see the end of their nose so opened a celestial doorway and the light spilled onto Earth. All that wasted energy -- he should have used CFL's in that "other room" behind the door.
 

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