Why Not Draft?

Just thaught today: if I'd volunteered for four years instead of serving 18 months as a conscript and the other 18 months over the following 13 years .... I would have got more money, not a higher rank (at least at the end) .... but most important: less fun and no looking down on the volunteers :wink:

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Pelosi says it's a no go and that Rangel is simpling making the point (again) that there shuld be shared sacrifice.

Story is HERE.

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McGentrix wrote:

I'd rather have those that support the draft simply sign up at their local recruiter.

Right behind the chckenhawks who promote war.

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snood wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
I'd rather have those that support the draft simply sign up at their local recruiter.

Right behind the chckenhawks who promote war.

heeheeheeheeheeheehee . . .

I don't think you need to worry about being trampled in the doorway . . .

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Cycloptichorn wrote:

I'd rather have those who support the war sign up at their local recruiter.

Still the very best plan.

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snood wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
I'd rather have those that support the draft simply sign up at their local recruiter.

Right behind the chckenhawks who promote war.

Should those that promote fighting crime join the police force? How about those that support fighting fires, should they join the local fire brigade?

You and Cycloptichorn sure are creative. Rolling Eyes

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McGentrix wrote:

snood wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I'd rather have those that support the draft simply sign up at their local recruiter.

Right behind the chckenhawks who promote war.

Should those that promote fighting crime join the police force? How about those that support fighting fires, should they join the local fire brigade?

You and Cycloptichorn sure are creative.

Oh, eat me McEmpty. It made at least as much sense as suggesting supporters of the draft join up.

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snood wrote:

Oh, eat me McEmpty. It made at least as much sense as suggesting supporters of the draft join up.

Might be, he'll notice that?

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so what do we about the jury system ?
since jury duty is required of all citizens (i know there are some exceptions) , should it be abolished as a "kind of slavery" (using thomas' term) ?
we could go to a system of "volunteer jurors" ; you'd sign up if you enjoy that kind of work or simply stay away from it .
presumably "volunteer jurors" also might receive a regular paycheque for their work - it would no longer be called a duty , of course .
would that be good for our justice system and the citizens served by it ?
hbg

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Well there's one thing about being drafted. It gets you away from Mom.

And mowing flipping lawns and cleaning the flipping car and feeding the flipping dog and checking the flipping mail and going to flipping work and having flipping theories and all that flipping bag of flipping pseudo-machismo flipping shite and there's always the possibility of coming across an under-defended bank with safe deposit boxes inside and a bunch of dames who understand such bourgoise delicacies properly.

Does nobody understand Gibbon anymore. Safety first with hairs on the chest I don't think.

The Congressional resolution did use the words "what he determines" or something similar just like the Roman Senate when it instructed commanders to "do whatever it takes to protect the Republic".

Did you miss that bit?

Well you would wouldn't you?

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I think, if I rember correctly, it passed 490-1 and 98-0 in the Senate.

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snood wrote:

McGentrix wrote:
snood wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
I'd rather have those that support the draft simply sign up at their local recruiter.

Right behind the chckenhawks who promote war.

Should those that promote fighting crime join the police force? How about those that support fighting fires, should they join the local fire brigade?

You and Cycloptichorn sure are creative.

Oh, eat me McEmpty. It made at least as much sense as suggesting supporters of the draft join up.

How do you figure?

People that want the draft seem desperate to send people off to war that have no desire to go. They want to have some "balance of class" in the military as if a draft would actually make that happen. The military is a fine cross section of Americana already.

People that support the war have no desire to send anyone that doesn't want to be in the military off anywhere. They want to see our troops safe, but performing their jobs. Just as we want the police and firemen to perform their jobs.

It's kind of sick actually. Demanding a draft but not having the balls to sign your kids up or not sign up yourself. Demanding others send their kids in their place. Only a complete a$$hole wouold support any draft measure.

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bm. I have read through only about 5 pages so far.

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Ah, well. My dad begged to be let in to the army air force - he had bad eyes; early '42, when I was a newborn - I have the letters. He left as full colonel.

He was essentially patriotic. In his time there and after the war as head of photography for the bikini bomb tests, a vast deal, in which he rode in the plane that shot film down into the cloud... very much the first time..
he was always patriotic.

I desire to talk with him now, but that's impossible. When all that happened, I was five; he died fairly early. He was also the first person who clued me into watching what happened in various places. He was the first person in my life to say anything against our US presence in Vietnam and against Kennedy. Oh, to be able to talk now.

So what? I was trained from early on to question.

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Sorry, off on personal stuff.

On the draft - I can see an expectation of service of some sort. If push came to shove on that, I might not vote for it - prefer voluntary, whatever the service. On the other hand, I might vote for it. Would have to think more on it, hear various pros and cons.

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A draft is a great idea. It teaches a kid how to work and be responsible. Also, the draftee can then feel that he or she made at least some contribution to the country.

The important thing is that there be virtually no deferments or exemptions, and that it also apply to women. Without this, it is entirely unfair and discriminatory.

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[quote="snood"]I think maybe she was saying that soldiers forced to serve through the draft were inferior soldiers.[/quote]

I was not saying that!
I believe, some German men/boys join the army because that's what they want to do. Some even make a job out of it, which is fine by me.
But lots of them join the army, 'because they have to', because 'it's better than doing social work instead' (which would be my reason), or because 'it's the easiest way to go'.
They stay for their x months (sorry I don't even know the actual number, but I know it's not a lot any more), and then come out and get on with their lives.

Yes, Walter, that is my experience.

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Bohne wrote:

I was not saying that!
I believe, some German men/boys join the army because that's what they want to do. Some even make a job out of it, which is fine by me.
But lots of them join the army, 'because they have to', because 'it's better than doing social work instead' (which would be my reason), or because 'it's the easiest way to go'.
They stay for their x months (sorry I don't even know the actual number, but I know it's not a lot any more), and then come out and get on with their lives.

Yes, Walter, that is my experience.

Sorry to have to say that, but it seems that experiences are very ... narrow.

Do you know that it tooks up to two years - at courts - until you geot accepted as conscientious objector? (Although I've served my 3full 36 months as conscript, I've been a leagal council for a number of conscientious objectors - up the the State Administrational Court.)

And "yes", I was a conscript, because I had to so.
I didn't want to lie at the commision and at courts.

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(And over more then ten years I lectured mandatory courses conscientious objectors, during the time they served.)

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