Mass Moves to Ban BB Guns....

Goodness. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition.

You challenged the facts and when they were cited, then began this nonsensical rambling about gangs and swords. If, as you contend, debate is based on perception, then the reason you're so bad at it is thus made abundantly clear... your own imperceptivity.

Your facts are f--ked. Admit it.

The only thing which is in that condition is your own ability to refute the facts.

Try harder.

I hope this works.

Homicide Type by Age, 1976-2004
Victims Offenders
Under 18 18-34 35-49 50+ Under 18 18-34 35-49 50+
All homicides 9.8% 52.7% 22.8% 14.7% 10.9% 65.0% 17.3% 6.9%
Victim/offender
relationship
Intimate 1.7% 46.8% 34.1% 17.5% 1.1% 46.6% 34.7% 17.7%
Family 19.5% 32.1% 26.5% 21.9% 6.1% 49.2% 28.0% 16.7%
Infanticide 100.0%


8.2% 81.1% 9.6% 1.1%
Eldercide


100.0% 10.4% 49.5% 18.9% 21.2%
Circumstances
Felony murder 7.6% 46.8% 21.7% 23.9% 14.9% 72.9% 10.2% 2.0%
Sex related 19.7% 45.2% 16.6% 18.6% 10.7% 73.8% 13.4% 2.0%
Drug related 5.4% 71.5% 19.8% 3.2% 10.6% 76.8% 11.3% 1.2%
Gang related 24.5% 68.3% 6.0% 1.3% 29.4% 68.8% 1.6% .3%
Argument 5.4% 56.2% 26.2% 12.1% 6.9% 60.2% 23.1% 9.8%
Workplace 2.0% 27.4% 31.5% 39.1% 4.9% 53.0% 27.1% 15.0%
Weapon
Gun homicide 7.4% 59.2% 22.4% 10.9% 11.9% 64.6% 15.9% 7.6%
Arson 28.2% 27.1% 19.2% 25.5% 11.6% 57.8% 23.5% 7.1%
Poison 26.7% 23.9% 16.6% 32.7% 4.5% 50.9% 26.2% 18.4%
Multiple victims
or offenders
Multiple victims 18.4% 46.2% 19.1% 16.4% 9.5% 66.1% 18.6% 5.8%
Multiple offenders 11.3% 55.4% 19.8% 13.6% 18.4% 73.0% 7.4% 1.2%

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/teens.htm

What it shows is that unless you are 18-34 (perfect gang banger age) you're more likely to die of arson or poisoning. Most victims were victims of rape or gang violence no matter what was used to commit the crime.

Go ahead and BS that BS.

What you missed, Sparky, was this, from your own source:

Homicides By Age and Weapon

"Homicides of teens and young adults are more likely to be committed with a gun than homicides of persons of other ages"

You really do need to read this stuff before you try citing it.

And again you confuse victims with perps. That's to be expected.

Again, you confuse yourself with your own data.

Now THAT'S to be expected!

This from someone that started this thread by claiming BB guns were on the verge of being banned in Mass?

If it wasn't for all those 34 yr old 'teens' out there being poisoned you might have been accurate with your statement blacksmith.

Maybe they were poisoned with Massachusetts BBs...

Again, if a bunch of gang banging punks wanna play that game fine - with any luck it will remove them from the gene pool - you do believe in natural selection, don't you?

Your position seems to rely on the belief that most gun related homicides under discussion occur in inter-gang or intra-gang violence. Even assuming for the sake of argument that this ridiculous position is true, what makes you believe that gang members firing at rivals always hit what (or who) they aim at?

I already posted the stats. Read 'em and weep. You're done, and I'm done with you.

blacksmith wrote


20-34 are NOT teens cj. I don't care how desperate you are to make your stats work. Until you can show me how a 34 year old is a teen, blacksmith is more accurate based on the doj website than you are.

In other words, you can neither refute nor rationally discuss your own data and positions.

You are, indeed, "done."

Parados, your logic is like someone who's only reading the top half of a bar chart.

Please ignore the troll.

Have you even read the information you so breathlessly cite? Beyond looking at, and misinterpreting, the pretty graphs?

I repeat, try harder.

Really cj?
Your logic is what? Other than complete BS not backed up by any facts.

Here is all the information broken out in easy to read form.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/05cius/offenses/expanded_information/murder_homicide.html

68% of all murders in 2005 were committed with a gun.


In table 9 you will find....

Only 754 of total murders were juvenile gang violence.



From table 8
There were 3,605 murders of those under 22.
68% of those under 22 were killed with a gun. But that includes infants and children not teens.

table 8
In the ages from 13-19 82% of those killed were killed with a gun. (It seems Blacksmith was off on his stat. He was too low when he said 80%)

So, even if we assume that every juvenile gang killing was someone in their teens, (Something we know is not true. I can find multiple stories of children younger being killed in the crossfire.) that still only accounts for 41% of the murders of teens.