Who Lost Iraq?

hots wrote-

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no. go back, think again, and then return. i will be waiting.

I suggest you do. The quote has Goering saying "tell them they are being attacked".

You were attacked. On your sacred temples. The pride of Mammon twins, the Pentagon and, one supposes the downed plane was for the White House. What audacity. What cunning. What determination.

Right there on television. The nation's heart and lungs and it's brain a lucky escape.

What Goering act-alikes would have done with that doesn't bear thinking about. Try thinking about it.

The comparison was ridiculous and was actually nothing but a cheap smear.

hots, spendi comes in and out of making sense - on most topics.

what is the point that you are struggling to make?

heartofthesun. apparently unfamiliar with spendi, wrote:

what is the point that you are struggling to make?

hots, Visit tihs thread, and you'll see spendi as the long ranger with Tonto (Two against everybody else).
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50511&start=8350

You are saying that history is repetitive. I'm saying it isn't.

This is a quote written in 1934 about things written in 1800 or so.

"The extensive wars which Louis XIV had to wage in the course of his reign, which ruined the state's finances and the people's faculties,(NOTE THAT), none-the-less found the secret of enriching an enormous quantity of those bloodsuckers who are always on the look out for public calamities, which they engender instead of appeasing, in the direct intention of thereby making greater profits. . . . "

I don't buy it even though it has more style than the 2006 version or the 2,006,000 millionth version using the number of times it has been played.

It's too simple.

spendius wrote:

You are saying that history is repetitive. I'm saying it isn't.

This is a quote written in 1934 about things written in 1800 or so.

"The extensive wars which Louis XIV had to wage in the course of his reign, which ruined the state's finances and the people's faculties,(NOTE THAT), none-the-less found the secret of enriching an enormous quantity of those bloodsuckers who are always on the look out for public calamities, which they engender instead of appeasing, in the direct intention of thereby making greater profits. . . . "

I don't buy it even though it has more style than the 2006 version or the 2,006,000 millionth version using the number of times it has been played.

It's too simple.

regardless of whether history is cyclical, human nature remains fundamentally unchanged. fear is a powerful organizing factor -- see: religion.

spendius wrote:

cyclo wrote-

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you, and many others like you, were so completely and boneheadedly wrong about WMD in Iraq, and why I, and those like myself, were so completely correct,

On what basis did you come to be sure there were no WMDs at that time.

You must have had some reason to be able to state that back then. What was it?

Were you as sure about the intention to get them as well?

The weapons inspectors kept saying 'there are no WMD that we can find. Perhaps with more time we will...'

But we didn't give them that time, because Bush acted as if it was a goddamned emergency and we had to invade Iraq with no delay. But it wasn't, we didn't have to invade right then, we found nothing, and those like me who said that we wouldn't find anything from day one were absolutely correct.

As for intentions? Of course he intended to do bad things. Our governments have a responsibility to decide the best way to deal with those who wish to do bad things. Invasion was the choice that they made, I think it was an idiotic choice, did at the time too. The problem was, those in charge didn't have a clue what kind of situation they were unleashing. Those of us who have studied the actual history of the region know (knew) that the occupation would be disastrous.

Cycloptichorn

The phrase, "God fearing people" which you apparently mock in your elitist atheistic statement means simply that people of religion are not ridiculously reckless in matters of spirtual content. The flip side would be Kamikaze pilots, or suicide bombers (see Jihadist). There is no romance to man not knowing man's limitations and everyone has an inherent set of limitations.

Even Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, John Kerry and all of the democratic leaders looked upon Saddam Hussein the same way, as a menace who would attack if given the opportunity.

This legislation, titled the "Authorization for Use of Military Force," passed the Senate by a vote of 98-0; the House of Representatives passed it by a vote of 420-1. This joint resolution authorizes the President "to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."

hots, Visit tihs thread, and you'll see spendi as the long ranger with Tonto (Two against everybody else).
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50511&start=8350

That chap seems to be offering you, the viewer, a pint. I would never do that

It amazing how similar the arguments of the "WMD have been moved to Syria" and "Bush was behind 9/11" conspiracy theorists are.

Usually goes along the lines of

- you can't disprove that it's a possibility
- there are just too many questions surrounding the issue
- there are tons of material that hint at something

Funny.

So when it comes to "emasculated sheepdom" consider the general view of de Sade and compare your macho bravery to his.

I know who the emasculated sheepdom are and you, Bernie, are a member.

Our organised authority is so secure and confident that it can afford you to lambast it in public without turning a hair.

But what is of greater concern is that our enemies observe these divisions in our ranks and it gives them confidence and as they see the prospects of our retreat grow they can be garuanteed to fight among themselves over who fills the vacuum we would leave.

Thus I see this opposition to our voted for war policy as a force to prolong the nightmare with our men caught in the middle. If our war aims are not realised it will be a defeat for us and a victory for our enemies and it will be blazed as such from radio and TV stations right throughout the Islamic world and will politicise them like nothing you have ever seen before.