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Are the elderly treated differently in hospitals?

 
 
Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 04:02 pm
martybarker- I have dealt with nurses who really cared, and believe me, they are treasures. I have also seen patients sitting on bedpans, trying to get a hold of a nurse to help them off it, and no one comes. I have often grabbed a hold of a nurse to help a patient who was not the person that I was visiting.

I think that everyone in who works in a medical environment should see this film:

Link to "The Doctor"

Besides being a really good movie, it offers a lesson that every medical professional needs to learn. William Hurt plays a doctor, who has always treated his patients like "cases", and not people. And then he gets sick......................
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martybarker
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 04:04 pm
I've seen the film and liked it. You know, I'd never argue the fact that what you describe does indeed happen. It's really sad that some medical professionals lack the compassion that our patients and family need.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 04:08 pm
martybarker- Years ago, I remember meeting a woman who was a social worker. Her job, which at the time was the first of its kind, was to work with medical students, to teach them "bedside manner".

There is much more to getting a person well, than correct diagnoses, and appropriate medications.
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Dorothy Parker
 
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Reply Sat 11 Nov, 2006 05:48 pm
Linkat, I'm sorry to hear about your Nana's recent bad experience in hospital. I'm assuming you're in America and I don't know much about hospitals over there but I did do nursing for a while here in the Uk and I am still traumatised by some of the things I saw.

Yes I do think old people are treated differently and it genuinely scares me to think that one day I might be at the mercy of people like some of those I used to work with. I have a lot of respect for nurses as it's backbreaking work but the lack of compassion I came across in some staff was astonishing.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 01:55 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I speak from many years of living, having numerous trips to the hospital, both for myself and other people.


You're really on the outside, looking in, until you've worked in a hospital, on the floors.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 01:57 am
If anyone thinks that "age" determines quality of medical care in an hospital, then one needs to examine the effect of "race" on that same quality of care.

Do you think minorities, without health insurance, are treated as well as upper middle class white folks?
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martybarker
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 02:58 am
I guess that's a good question. Would african-americans be treated differently in a predominately white area and would white people be treated differently in a hospital located in a predominately african-american area?

But I think the initial point being made was the fact that the elderly are nearing the end of their lives and is this why they are possibly treated differently than normaly young and vibrant people.
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Dorothy Parker
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 05:15 am
miller wrote

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Do you think minorities, without health insurance, are treated as well as upper middle class white folks?


That isn't the issue being discussed here though is it Miller?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 06:01 am
Miller wrote:
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I speak from many years of living, having numerous trips to the hospital, both for myself and other people.


You're really on the outside, looking in, until you've worked in a hospital, on the floors.


What does working on the floors have to do with the differences in quality of care given to the elderly? If a nurse is overworked, it would be reasonable to assume that if she were a dedicated nurse, that her level of care would be even-handed, even though overall, it might not be superior, due to her lack of time.

What I am saying is that there IS a difference in the attitudes of medical personnel (not only nurses,) in caring for the elderly. For many hospital personnel, IMO the attitude is, "Well, his life is over. I am not going to waste my time on him".

One might argue that it is a matter of triage. If there is "X" amount of time, and two equally sick patients, one young and one old, I would assume that some medical personnel would figure that it made more sense to spend more time with the young person, who had his whole life ahead of him. In the abstract, that might make some sense, but it certainly would not to the elderly patient and his loved ones.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:08 am
Dorothy Parker wrote:
miller wrote

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Do you think minorities, without health insurance, are treated as well as upper middle class white folks?


That isn't the issue being discussed here though is it Miller?


I beg to differ, but it is, only you don't realize that it is.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:11 am
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What does working on the floors have to do with the differences in quality of care given to the elderly?


Who said that it did, phoenix?
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:14 am
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For many hospital personnel, IMO the attitude is, "Well, his life is over. I am not going to waste my time on him".


As this is your opinion Phoenix, who else in the healthcare profession believes as you do?

Perhaps you have a feeling of guilt, relative to care of the elderly.
Have you been the one, who's been negligent in this regard?
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:18 am
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I would assume that some medical personnel would figure that it made more sense to spend more time with the young person, who had his whole life ahead of him.


Why would you figure this, Phoenix? What are the facts?

Do illegals without health insurance receive the same standard of care as US citizens with health insurance?
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martybarker
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:19 am
I'm seeing the points being made here. So I can speak for myself and the medical professionals that I personally work with, we do not discriminate against race or age. We provide quality care and compassion equally to everyone who comes into our department.
Now believe me, there are situations that you have to step back, take a breath and evaluate the individual situation. Getting woken up at 2 am for an emergency gunshot wound and you are trying to provide the surgeons adequate information to save this individual and they are biligerant, threatening, spitting, and just plain nasty. Still we try our best to be patient and do what is best for our patient. Or how about the IV drug abuser who is so preoccupied with getting you to give him more drugs that he wont hold still for a 15 minute procedure which ends up taking an hour and therefore delaying other patients in need.
There is a very big picture here and unfortunately the situation mentioned in this thread really give us health care workers a bad name.
So for argument sake, do health care professionals get a bad rap?? Generally speaking.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:34 am
When an elderly person is admitted to the hospital, he/she should have with them ( at all times, if possible ) a good friend or a family member, who can speak up for them. This would help the Staff as well benefit the patient.
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Dorothy Parker
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 10:58 am
Miller wrote

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I beg to differ, but it is, only you don't realize that it is.


I believe the original question was something along the lines of "Are the elderly treated differently in hospitals?"

Rolling Eyes
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 11:01 am
martybarker wrote:
I'm seeing the points being made here. So I can speak for myself and the medical professionals that I personally work with, we do not discriminate against race or age. We provide quality care and compassion equally to everyone who comes into our department.
Now believe me, there are situations that you have to step back, take a breath and evaluate the individual situation. Getting woken up at 2 am for an emergency gunshot wound and you are trying to provide the surgeons adequate information to save this individual and they are biligerant, threatening, spitting, and just plain nasty. Still we try our best to be patient and do what is best for our patient. Or how about the IV drug abuser who is so preoccupied with getting you to give him more drugs that he wont hold still for a 15 minute procedure which ends up taking an hour and therefore delaying other patients in need.
There is a very big picture here and unfortunately the situation mentioned in this thread really give us health care workers a bad name.
So for argument sake, do health care professionals get a bad rap?? Generally speaking.


Excellent! :wink:
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 11:25 am
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When an elderly person is admitted to the hospital, he/she should have with them ( at all times, if possible ) a good friend or a family member, who can speak up for them. This would help the Staff as well benefit the patient.




So....

Third World Hospital Customs ensure good care for patients in U.S. hospitals.
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Miller
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 11:37 am
Noddy24 wrote:
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When an elderly person is admitted to the hospital, he/she should have with them ( at all times, if possible ) a good friend or a family member, who can speak up for them. This would help the Staff as well benefit the patient.




So....

Third World Hospital Customs ensure good care for patients in U.S. hospitals.


Good care relies ( in part ) on good communication between patient and Staff. For the elderly, good communication may be achieved by having present either a family member or a caring, knowledgable friend.
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Sun 12 Nov, 2006 01:24 pm
Miller wrote:
When an elderly person is admitted to the hospital, he/she should have with them ( at all times, if possible ) a good friend or a family member, who can speak up for them. This would help the Staff as well benefit the patient.


It would also ensure that the elderly person received the care to which he is entitled. Being elderly does not make a person stupid. Unless the person is suffering from dementia, and really does have diminished capacity, he should be able to speak up for him/herself. I think that from your advice, Miller, I may infer that for some reason you believe that the elderly need an advocate in order to get the care that they need.
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