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Presidential Signing Statements

 
 
Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 08:23 pm
Creating a separate thread for this discussion and copying relevant posts from Setana's thread here:

Setanta wrote:
dlowan wrote:
Butrflynet wrote:
I would like to see a lot more time devoted to repairing damage for the good of the present and future rather than investigating the past. I'd like to see the democrats focused on fixing the lack of oversight in times of crisis, firewalling, catering to special interests and also preserving the record.

Reinforce the public information act, limit use and power of presidential signing statements and create strict sunshine laws to bring the bonds between special interests, lobbyists and government employees out from the shadows.

Yes, we need to know what happened in order to fix it. But not knowing shouldn't stop the forward movement toward restructuring to prevent it from recurring.

That's why the democrats were given the mid-term majority, to do the needed repairs to our governing mechanisms.


CAN they do that re signing statements?


Yes. The Congress can thwart the President by not voting the appropriations necessary for his pet projects, and the President can thwart the Congress by simply failing to disburse funds appropriated for their pet projects. In a worst case scenario, Congress can tie the President's hands in the use of executive orders by using the glare of public scrutiny (Congressional investigations and the subpoena of witnesses and documents) and hamstring the Administration by keeping executive branch officials in front of committees and the television cameras. When the Senate decided to investigate the break-in at the Watergate Hotel in 1972, they made it impossible for Nixon to get any business done, and John Mitchell, then Attorney General, eventually destroyed his own career on national television because he finally lost it in front of the cameras, and ended by assaulting reporters and swearing for the microphones.

That's no way to run a government, but there is no reason for the Democrats to back down now, and i doubt that they will. The Shrub will be a lame duck, but he'll still need to get along with the Congress, or the Democrats will effectively shut down his entire agenda.
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Reply Wed 8 Nov, 2006 08:28 pm
John Dean says it best for me. These are the types of signing statement abuses I refer to when citing the need for tighter controls on them. Here are some excertps from Dean's long article. I urge you to read the whole thing, as well as the other articles I've linked to.



http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20060113.html

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The Problem with Presidential Signing Statements: Their Use and Misuse by the Bush Administration
By JOHN W. DEAN

Generally, Bush's signing statements tend to be brief and very broad, and they seldom cite the authority on which the president is relying for his reading of the law. None has yet been tested in court. But they do appear to be bulking up the powers of the presidency. Here are a few examples:

Suppose a new law requires the President to act in a certain manner - for instance, to report to Congress on how he is dealing with terrorism. Bush's signing statement will flat out reject the law, and state that he will construe the law "in a manner consistent with the President's constitutional authority to withhold information the disclosure of which could impair foreign relations, the national security, the deliberative processes of the Executive, or the performance of the Executive's constitutional duties."

Or suppose a new law suggests even the slightest intrusion into the President's undefined "prerogative powers" under Article II of the Constitution, relating to national security, intelligence gathering, or law enforcement. Bush's signing statement will claim that notwithstanding the clear intent of Congress, which has used mandatory language, the provision will be considered as "advisory."

The upshot? It is as if Congress had acted as a mere advisor, with no more formal power than, say, Karl Rove - not as a coordinate and coequal branch of government, which in fact it is.

As Phillip Cooper observes, the President's signing statements are, in some instances, effectively rewriting the laws by reinterpreting how the law will be implemented. Notably, Cooper finds some of Bush's signing statements - and he has the benefit of judging them against his extensive knowledge of other President's signing statements -- "excessive, unhelpful, and needlessly confrontational."

<snip>

Bush's use of signing statements thus potentially brings him into conflict with his own Justice Department. The Justice Department is responsible for defending the constitutionality of laws enacted by Congress. What is going to happen when the question at issue is the constitutionality of a provision the President has declared unconstitutional in a signing statement?

Does the President's signing statement overcome the presumption of constitutionality? I doubt it. Will the Department of Justice have a serious conflict of interest? For certain, it will.



http://writ.news.findlaw.com/commentary/20060109_bergen.html


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The Unitary Executive: Is The Doctrine Behind the Bush Presidency Consistent with a Democratic State?
By JENNIFER VAN BERGEN



President Bush has used presidential signing statements more than any previous president. From President Monroe's administration (1817-25) to the Carter administration (1977-81), the executive branch issued a total of 75 signing statements to protect presidential prerogatives. From Reagan's administration through Clinton's, the total number of signing statements ever issued, by all presidents, rose to a total 322.

In striking contrast to his predecessors, President Bush issued at least 435 signing statements in his first term alone. And, in these statements and in his executive orders, Bush used the term "unitary executive" 95 times. It is important, therefore, to understand what this doctrine means.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/examples_of_the_presidents_signing_statements/

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Examples of the president's signing statements
April 30, 2006

Since taking office in 2001, President Bush has issued signing statements on more than 750 new laws, declaring that he has the power to set aside the laws when they conflict with his legal interpretation of the Constitution. The federal government is instructed to follow the statements when it enforces the laws. Here are 10 examples and the dates Bush signed them:


Click on the boston.com link to read the 10 examples.




http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/signing.htm

Quote:
THE LEGAL SIGNIFICANCE OF PRESIDENTIAL
SIGNING STATEMENTS

Many Presidents have used signing statements to make substantive legal, constitutional, or administrative pronouncements on the bill being signed. Although the recent practice of issuing signing statements to create "legislative history" remains controversial, the other uses of Presidential signing statements generally serve legitimate and defensible purposes.

November 3, 1993

MEMORANDUM FOR BERNARD N. NUSSBAUM,
COUNSEL TO THE PRESIDENT


Clink on the DOJ link to read the memo.
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Reply Thu 9 Nov, 2006 09:04 am
Butrflynet
Butrflynet, I agree with you. Thanks for the links.

BBB
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