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DOES DEATH PENALTY SATISFY JUSTICE FOR SADDAM ?

 
 
Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 02:07 pm
During Saddam 's regime,
he murdered many 1000s of Iraqians,
by the cruelest means, e.g., running them thru
industrial strength shredders, while yet thay lived,
with their families being forced to witness,
or
after taking and killing the wife and mother
of a household, forcing her surviving husband n children
to keep up a sign in front of their home,
cruelly denouncing their deceased wife n mother, etc.

In contemplation that the US Constitution
( including its 8th Amendment ) does not apply in Iraq,
shud more creative punishment be employed to at least SYMBOLICLY,
vindicate his victims and render them or their survivors
a better degree of satisfaction ?

For instance,
after future trials, perhaps his sentence shud be
that he be invited to follow a jeep, with his hands in chains,
and his victims, or their sons or other surviving family members,
be allowed to follow him thru the streets of Bagdad,
kicking him in the hind end, on his way to the gallows ?

There can be an overlap
between vengeance and justice.
There is no punishment that cud possibly
even the score for the sadism that he inflicted upon his victims
and their families.

In light of what he has done,
does FAIRNESS require that his victims be permitted
some degree of compensatory counter-sadism
, at least symbolicly ?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 02:10 pm
Quote:
1000s of Iraqians


I guess we should consider what the Iraqians really want....

Cycloptichorn

ps. you are mentally disturbed, friend. Seek help immediately
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 02:16 pm
And yet we claim that Americans are not barbarians.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 02:16 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I guess we should consider what the Iraqians really want....

... and what the relevant Iraquian law says.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 02:51 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
1000s of Iraqians


I guess we should consider what the Iraqians really want....
It is an Iraqian court.
I guess that thay will do whatever thay decide to DO.
My thread seeks to consider the definitions of fairness n justice
as thay apply to the victims of Saddam.

Cycloptichorn

ps. you are mentally disturbed, friend.
P.S.: I deny that I am disturbed,
and I deny that I am your friend.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 02:57 pm
DrewDad wrote:
And yet we claim that Americans are not barbarians.

I did not say that AMERICA shud do ANYTHING.
Presumably whatever is done will be done by the Iraqians.

My thread is an inquiry into the nature
of what is fair to the victims in Iraq,
under the circumstances.

Participation is not compulsory.
If u have a big problem with considering that question,
then I suggest that u consider your option to keep on scrolling.


P.S.:
We may not be barbarians,
but we are also NOT politically correct !
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:01 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
1000s of Iraqians


I guess we should consider what the Iraqians really want....
It is an Iraqian court.
I guess that thay will do whatever thay decide to DO.
My thread seeks to consider the definitions of fairness n justice
as thay apply to the victims of Saddam.

Cycloptichorn

ps. you are mentally disturbed, friend.
P.S.: I deny that I am disturbed,
and I deny that I am your friend.


Sheesh

Okay, because I do consider myself to be friendly towards you,

I'll help you out by pointing out that the term is Iraqi, not Iraqian.

Perhaps now we can continue the discussion without you seeming unintelligent.

Cycloptichorn
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:03 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:

I guess we should consider what the Iraqians really want....

... and what the relevant Iraquian law says.

Maybe the Iraqians shud have a referendum,
for participation by Sheites and Sunnis alike,
on how best to dispose of Saddam,
with a long list of possibilities ?

maybe have provisions for write-in votes ?

Thay cud even let Saddam vote.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:04 pm
Let the Kurds vote too.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:11 pm
Your concept of laws is ... well, chaotic for someone who studied law outsite the USA.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:17 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
1000s of Iraqians


I guess we should consider what the Iraqians really want....
It is an Iraqian court.
I guess that thay will do whatever thay decide to DO.
My thread seeks to consider the definitions of fairness n justice
as thay apply to the victims of Saddam.

Cycloptichorn

ps. you are mentally disturbed, friend.
P.S.: I deny that I am disturbed,
and I deny that I am your friend.


Sheesh

Okay, because I do consider myself to be friendly towards you,

I'll help you out by pointing out that the term is Iraqi, not Iraqian.

Perhaps now we can continue the discussion without you seeming unintelligent.
Yeah, not " unintelligent " just " mentally disturbed " because u r so FRIENDLY.


Cycloptichorn

I am of the opinion that ANYTHING
is open to dispassionate philosophical discussion,
including vengeance and justice for Saddam 's victims and their families.

If u have an opposing point of vu,
u shud express it POLITELY. I presume that u r able to do that.

Your intense hostility and rudeness
indicates that u believe that only issues that u LIKE shud be posted.
From that position, I dissent.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:25 pm
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
1000s of Iraqians


I guess we should consider what the Iraqians really want....
It is an Iraqian court.
I guess that thay will do whatever thay decide to DO.
My thread seeks to consider the definitions of fairness n justice
as thay apply to the victims of Saddam.

Cycloptichorn

ps. you are mentally disturbed, friend.
P.S.: I deny that I am disturbed,
and I deny that I am your friend.


Sheesh

Okay, because I do consider myself to be friendly towards you,

I'll help you out by pointing out that the term is Iraqi, not Iraqian.

Perhaps now we can continue the discussion without you seeming unintelligent.
Yeah, not " unintelligent " just " mentally disturbed " because u r so FRIENDLY.


Cycloptichorn

I am of the opinion that ANYTHING
is open to dispassionate philosophical discussion,
including vengeance and justice for Saddam 's victims and their families.

If u have an opposing point of vu,
u shud express it POLITELY. I presume that u r able to do that.

Your intense hostility and rudeness
indicates that u believe that only issues that u LIKE shud be posted.
From that position, I dissent.


I can't do anything about your psychological problems, sorry; correcting your language is about all the help that I can give.

You shouldn't feel bad, though, because psychological issues are quite common amongst American adults and should not have the stigma attached to them that they do. If you would consult a professional about your issues, you would probably feel much better.

Of course, the choice is yours.

On the issue of the thread, if you want to have a conversation with adults, perhaps you could attempt to write in an adult fashion. Until then, I'm sure there's some group of ten-year olds who would love to talk about the issues of the day with you, and you may be more comfortable dealing with someone more on your own linguistic level.

Cycloptichorn
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:36 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Your concept of laws is ...
well, chaotic for someone who studied law outsite the USA.

This is an error on your part, Walter.

It is not the purpose of this thread to exegesize the criminal law of Iraq.

The purpose of this thread is to consider
the morality of revenge,

with specific particularity to the victims of Saddam.

This is not an exercise in jurisprudential analysis of Iraq 's penal law.
David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:46 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Quote:
1000s of Iraqians


I guess we should consider what the Iraqians really want....
It is an Iraqian court.
I guess that thay will do whatever thay decide to DO.
My thread seeks to consider the definitions of fairness n justice
as thay apply to the victims of Saddam.

Cycloptichorn

ps. you are mentally disturbed, friend.
P.S.: I deny that I am disturbed,
and I deny that I am your friend.


Sheesh

Okay, because I do consider myself to be friendly towards you,

I'll help you out by pointing out that the term is Iraqi, not Iraqian.

Perhaps now we can continue the discussion without you seeming unintelligent.
Yeah, not " unintelligent " just " mentally disturbed " because u r so FRIENDLY.


Cycloptichorn

I am of the opinion that ANYTHING
is open to dispassionate philosophical discussion,
including vengeance and justice for Saddam 's victims and their families.

If u have an opposing point of vu,
u shud express it POLITELY. I presume that u r able to do that.

Your intense hostility and rudeness
indicates that u believe that only issues that u LIKE shud be posted.
From that position, I dissent.


I can't do anything about your psychological problems, sorry; correcting your language is about all the help that I can give.

You shouldn't feel bad, though, because psychological issues are quite common amongst American adults and should not have the stigma attached to them that they do. If you would consult a professional about your issues, you would probably feel much better.

Of course, the choice is yours.

On the issue of the thread, if you want to have a conversation with adults, perhaps you could attempt to write in an adult fashion. Until then, I'm sure there's some group of ten-year olds who would love to talk about the issues of the day with you, and you may be more comfortable dealing with someone more on your own linguistic level.

Cycloptichorn

By your repeated use of personal insolence,
u forfeit all respect for yourself.

If u don 't wish to discuss the morality of revenge,
then please go away. I have no interest in the opinions
of a person who finds it beyond his ability to be minimally civil.
David
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:51 pm
By ur repeated laziness in grammer and spelling,
u have forfeited all respect for urself.

Speak like a child, get treated like a child, simple as that.

Cycloptichorn
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:57 pm
Walter, I always thought our laws in the US to be chaotic.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 03:57 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
By ur repeated laziness in grammer and spelling,
u have forfeited all respect for urself.

Speak like a child, get treated like a child, simple as that.

Cycloptichorn

1. I reject the orthografic paradime insofar as it
deviates from fonetic accuracy, in that this is inefficient and illogical.

2. I don 't know about U,
but I treat children with the same respect as anyone else;
i.e., I don t discriminate on the basis of age.

3. The topic of this thread is THE MORALITY OF REVENGE.
Your comments r off topic.

David
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gustavratzenhofer
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 04:04 pm
David, how many people have you killed this week?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 04:05 pm
I'm sure the issue of Saddam's death penalty is one of much interest to Iraqis, and as in all issues concerning citizens of any country, they have their supporters and detractors on this issue.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 6 Nov, 2006 04:10 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
I'm sure the issue of Saddam's death penalty is one of much interest to Iraqis,
and as in all issues concerning citizens of any country,
they have their supporters and detractors on this issue.

I wanted to start a thread to consider and evaluate
the morality of revenge. I thought that relating it to
Saddam 's death sentence of yesterday wud make it more timely,
and the situation of his victims can be used for illustrative purposes.

Perhaps I shud have broadened the title
to include a more general vu of the morality of revenge,
including the death penalty.
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