Capital Punishment --- For or Against?

Tico wrote:

We all know that murder is wrong. It doesn't make it any more right if we all self-righteously nod our heads, dust our hands, designate someone to do it, claim a moral and pecuniary success.

You make a good point, Tico. I think it gets so much support because it makes people feel like responsible grown-ups. . . like they really mean business. They're willing to kill people, by god. That's pretty damn serious.

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CalamityJane wrote:

No, no, and no - capital punishment doesn't solve anything.
As the crime statistics reveal, no criminal is deterred by the threat of
capital punishment. I think, the 3-strikes-and-you're-out regulation is
much more effective for die-hard criminals.

It's not the threat that deters.

It's the capital punishment that deters.

It's 100% effective.

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real life wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:
No, no, and no - capital punishment doesn't solve anything.
As the crime statistics reveal, no criminal is deterred by the threat of
capital punishment. I think, the 3-strikes-and-you're-out regulation is
much more effective for die-hard criminals.

It's not the threat that deters.

It's the capital punishment that deters.

It's 100% effective.

So's jail.

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echi wrote:

real life wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
No, no, and no - capital punishment doesn't solve anything.
As the crime statistics reveal, no criminal is deterred by the threat of
capital punishment. I think, the 3-strikes-and-you're-out regulation is
much more effective for die-hard criminals.

It's not the threat that deters.

It's the capital punishment that deters.

It's 100% effective.

So's jail.

Criminals continue to commit crimes, including murder , rape, etc in jail.

It's not 100% effective.

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Oh that's so interesting - real life is for the death penalty and he
cries bloody murder in the abortion threads. Aren't you a hypocrit,
real life?

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i am against capital punishment , no if's or but's ... . hbg

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Okay. So, you would rather kill people than work for prison reform, huh?

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CalamityJane wrote:

Oh that's so interesting - real life is for the death penalty and he
cries bloody murder in the abortion threads. Aren't you a hypocrit,
real life?

Do you understand the difference between an innocent child who has not committed, nor been accused of, nor had opportunity nor means to commit any crime, was given no due process, had no right of appeal, had no public hearing , had no advocate to plead his case...................

....................... and one tried and convicted by a jury of his peers of a heinous crime, having had opportunity to speak in his own defense and present evidence in his own favor, given numerous opportunities for appeal , given legal representation at public expense if need be, and having exhausted all means of due process?

No, apparently you don't.

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real life, murder is murder. First you have no conscience to enforce
the death penalty, where a human being is killed, regardless of his crime,
and on the other hand there is a embryo - not a child, and not being
able to live outside the womb, and you are all for prohibition of abortion.

I am sorry, to me this is hyprocicy

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Or idiocy.

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CalamityJane wrote:

real life, murder is murder. First you have no conscience to enforce
the death penalty, where a human being is killed, regardless of his crime,
and on the other hand there is a embryo - not a child, and not being
able to live outside the womb, and you are all for prohibition of abortion.

I am sorry, to me this is hyprocicy

It's hypocrisy in my mind, as well, and I also oppose abortion.

real life,
I don't believe that you really support capital punishment. Who are we to judge the life of another person? That's an awfully big stone you're casting.

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The greatst amount of Capital Punishment occurred in October, 1929 with the Stock Market Crash caused by the Republicans.

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real life wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:
No, no, and no - capital punishment doesn't solve anything.
As the crime statistics reveal, no criminal is deterred by the threat of
capital punishment. I think, the 3-strikes-and-you're-out regulation is
much more effective for die-hard criminals.

It's not the threat that deters.

It's the capital punishment that deters.

It's 100% effective.

That is a truly specious argument. It's 0% effective. You're locking the barn door after the horse is long gone. The victim is already dead. How are you preventing anything by now killing a second person, the perpetrator?

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I cant believe this debate still rages in the United States. All civilised societies have abandoned capital punishment long ago...but then perhaps the United States is not really civilised.

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CalamityJane wrote:

Oh that's so interesting - real life is for the death penalty and he
cries bloody murder in the abortion threads. Aren't you a hypocrit,
real life?

Hi Jane:

Just wondering then - if a pro-abortionist is against CP - would that also be considered hypocritical? Smile

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echi wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:
real life, murder is murder. First you have no conscience to enforce
the death penalty, where a human being is killed, regardless of his crime,
and on the other hand there is a embryo - not a child, and not being
able to live outside the womb, and you are all for prohibition of abortion.

I am sorry, to me this is hyprocicy

It's hypocrisy in my mind, as well, and I also oppose abortion.

real life,
I don't believe that you really support capital punishment. Who are we to judge the life of another person? That's an awfully big stone you're casting.

You must realise, that real life only occasionally pulls his head out of his own arse in order to blow smoke up everyone else's.

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Is capital punishment a deterrent. No. It is both punishment and vengeance. Does that make it wrong, again no. One who commits a heinous crime deserves IMO the ultimate punishment.

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au1929 wrote:

Is capital punishment a deterrent. No. It is both punishment and vengeance. Does that make it wrong, again no. One who commits a heinous crime deserves IMO the ultimate punishment.

Well if its vengeance you want, why not torture the criminal to death. Lethal injection hardly seems the ultimate punishment. How about torturing his children too? Anyway didnt someone say "Vengeance is mine"?

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Steve 41oo wrote:

au1929 wrote:
Is capital punishment a deterrent. No. It is both punishment and vengeance. Does that make it wrong, again no. One who commits a heinous crime deserves IMO the ultimate punishment.
Well if its vengeance you want, why not torture the criminal to death. Lethal injection hardly seems the ultimate punishment. How about torturing his children too? Anyway didn't someone say "Vengeance is mine"?

Vengeance is mine is a quote from the bible attributed to God. Of course since the bible was concocted and written by man we will never know who came up with it. I have a better saying. If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

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baddog1 wrote:

CalamityJane wrote:
Oh that's so interesting - real life is for the death penalty and he
cries bloody murder in the abortion threads. Aren't you a hypocrit,
real life?

Hi Jane:

Just wondering then - if a pro-abortionist is against CP - would that also be considered hypocritical?

Frankly baddog, I haven't met a pro-abortionist yet, the vast majority
is pro choice and there is a big difference. However, if a woman has had
an abortion and is against the death penalty, she has every right to do
so. Her private action is a) legal, b) only affects and effects her, and
c) an embryo is not a living being. So, my answer would be: NO, she
is not a hypocrit!

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