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Why are we still in Iraq?

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Tue 31 Oct, 2006 02:46 pm
Here's a serious answer. We are still in Iraq because we are stuck in Iraq. We got stuck because some idiot Republicans thought they understood military affairs far better than they actually do. We got stuck because some idiot Democrats were afraid of being marginalized if they didn't support Bush in the post-9/11 era.

We will be kicked out of Iraq. There is no other existing option with a large percentage chance of coming about. We can't leave, it would devolve into chaos. But we aren't doing the job of securing the place, and our presence is helping contribute to at least some of the chaos.

Thank you, George Bush, for leaving us with zero good options.

Cycloptichorn
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 31 Oct, 2006 02:48 pm
candidone1 wrote:
So let me get this straight McG;
The US went into Iraq to get rid of Saddam.
The US went into Iraq to provide Iraqi's with jobs on drill sites.
The US went into Iraq to provide Iraqi's with jobs on Haliburton's payroll.
The US went into Iraq to provide Iraqi's with jobs on Haliburton oil derricks.
The US went into Iraq to provide Iraqi's with jobs on pipelines and shipping docks.
The US went into Iraq to provide Iraqi's with taxes from their own resources.
The US spent several hundred billion dollars to give Iraqi's jobs--jobs that would have otherwise been held by, who, Iranians?
The US army lost several thousand American lives to provide Iraqi's with employment that would have otherwise gone to who, Syrians?

Surely you aren't suggesting that the big winner in this war is Iraq and the big loser is the US.


Did you not read the preamble to that? I will repeat it for you because you seem to have misunderstood.

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But, all that aside, lets suppose for a moment all the hyperbole were true and that haliburton gets some lucrative oil contracts in Iraq. Lets look at that, shall we?
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 31 Oct, 2006 03:12 pm
No need for the replay McG. Here's one worth discussing:

McG wrote:
lets suppose for a moment all the hyperbole were true and that haliburton gets some lucrative oil contracts in Iraq. Lets look at that, shall we?


Well, Haliburton did get lucrative contracts in Iraq, therefore the hyperbole is true.
So I ask, are you claiming that, vis a vis those lucrative Haliburton contracts, the big winner is the Iraqi people, not an American multinational?
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slkshock7
 
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Reply Tue 7 Nov, 2006 04:02 pm
For all you big business detractors....this report pretty conclusively blows your theories out of the water about Halliburton and others getting preferential treatment on contracts....

GAO Report wrote:
While no single, comprehensive system currently tracks governmentwide Iraq reconstruction contract data, available data showed that from October 1, 2003, through March 31, 2006, DOD, USAID, and State collectively awarded the majority of Iraq reconstruction contracts competitively. Based on competition information we obtained on $10 billion of the total $11.6 billion in IRRF obligations by these agencies during the period of our review, we found that about $9.1 billion--or 91 percent--was for competitively awarded contracts. While our ability to obtain complete competition data for all DOD Iraq reconstruction contract actions was limited because not all DOD components consistently tracked or fully reported this information, we obtained information on approximately $7 billion, or 82 percent, of DOD's total Iraq reconstruction contract obligations, and of this, we found that competition occurred for nearly all of the obligations. Additionally, based on complete data for the period of our review we found that USAID competitively awarded contract actions for 99 percent of its obligations, while State awarded contract actions competitively for only 10 percent of its obligations. GAO reviewed the files for 51 contract actions totaling $1.55 billion--22 of which were awarded noncompetitively and 29 of which were awarded competitively--almost all of which contained proper documentation. One contract file--for a noncompetitively awarded task order issued by State--did not contain justifications or other required documentation. DOD was also unable to provide documentation for 4 of the competitively awarded contract actions. Of the 22 noncompeted contract actions in GAO's review, State should have notified Congress of 2 actions awarded using other than full and open competition in accordance with notification requirements but did not. State officials told GAO that they have taken steps to address the problem. GAO did not identify any DOD or USAID contract actions within the sample that required notification.


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Advocate
 
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Reply Tue 7 Nov, 2006 04:11 pm
In many cases, Iraqi companies could do the work at a fraction of the cost. This would go a long way toward giving employment to Iraqis and otherwise helping the people get on their feet. Instead, Halliburton is getting no-bid contracts involving huge prices that we taxpayers have to foot.
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