Any serious Christians left?

Where does it say I MUST or MUST NOT consider any CERTAIN THING OR THINGS in deciding my vote? It doesn't and you know it doesn't. It doesn't PERIOD. I am not trying to establish any religion. I am exercising my right to pursue my rights, just as anyone who votes (no matter their vote or why they decided to cast that vote) is doing. I am no different than you or anyone else. But because I consider my religious beliefs I am considered wrong. SHOW ME TIMBER! Where in the constitution it says I am wrong? Oh wait!!!! Let me guess, this is your interpretation???

Arella Mae wrote:

Where does it say I MUST or MUST NOT consider any CERTAIN THING OR THINGS in deciding my vote? It doesn't and you know it doesn't. It doesn't PERIOD. I am not trying to establish any religion. I am exercising my right to pursue my rights, just as anyone who votes (no matter their vote or why they decided to cast that vote) is doing. I am no different than you or anyone else. But because I consider my religious beliefs I am considered wrong. SHOW ME TIMBER! Where in the constitution it says I am wrong? Oh wait!!!! Let me guess, this is your interpretation???

It would seem you just don't get it ... and it would seem as well you prefer to read into what is said what you disingenuously, innocently, unwittingly assume, or cleverly, knowingly, mendaciously prefer to imply was said. Nothing said implied you were "wrong" to think or do as you prefer; quite the contrary, precisely that you are perfectly within your rights was stated explicitly and more than once. Where you are "Wrong" is in your apparent interpretation - your evident disingenuous misunderstanding or as case may be mendacious misconstrual - of what is being said to you.

I hasten to say, in the interest of reducing misunderstanding, that I entertain no notion whatsoever of mendacity on your part ... the very idea is inconceivable.

But don't get discouraged am. Christ failed too.

dyslexia wrote:

But don't get discouraged am. Christ failed too.

I am not discouraged about anything, dys. And no, Christ failed at nothing.

Phoenix32890 wrote:

Arella Mae- OK, what you have said sounds reasonable. But what if you read something in the bible with which you disagreed?

If I believe the Bible is the God-breathed and God-inspired inerrant Word of God, why would I ever disagree with a single thing it says?

What Christians really believe
A book by George A. Marsden, "Reforming Fundamentalism" quotes a survey of student belief at one of the largest Evangelical seminaries in the US. 2 The poll indicated that 85% of the students "do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture."

This book also lists the results of a poll conducted by Jeffery Hadden in 1987 of 10,000 American clergy. 3 They were asked whether they believed that the Scriptures are the inspired and inerrant Word of God in faith, history, and secular matters:

95% of Episcopalians,
87% of Methodists,
82% of Presbyterians,
77% of American Lutherans, and
67% of American Baptists said "No."

Arella Mae wrote:

dyslexia wrote:

But don't get discouraged am. Christ failed too.

I am not discouraged about anything, dys. And no, Christ failed at nothing.

If you care to read the beatitudes and then read Paul/Saul and then take a gander at your local christian beliefs you can only conclude that christ was a failure.

Okay, Arella. . . Let's forgo the link wars. Let's assume, for argument's sake, that your data are correct and that casino gambling causes an increase in crime. If that were true, I think I could understand your position, although I would still disagree; there's just no way to justify it (not that you're trying to).

And your point, Phoenix? Other people don't believe the same thing I do and since there are so many I should change my mind?

Enlightening? Not in the slightest. The Bible talks about the great falling away. It's just the way it is, but it doesn't change how I believe one bit.

Arella Mae wrote:

And your point, Phoenix? Other people don't believe the same thing I do and since there are so many I should change my mind?

Enlightening? Not in the slightest. The Bible talks about the great falling away. It's just the way it is, but it doesn't change how I believe one bit.

You have made it eminently clear that you study and research issues. Just thought that this website might be interesting to you. No more, no less.

If I believe the Bible is the God-breathed and God-inspired inerrant Word of God, why would I ever disagree with a single thing it says?

Arella Mae wrote:

If I believe the Bible is the God-breathed and God-inspired inerrant Word of God, why would I ever disagree with a single thing it says?

(Let's try for some more progress, then. . . shall we?)

No way is the Bible the inerrant Word of God. For one thing, an interpretive reading is necessary in order to account for the inconsistencies found, throughout.

Arella Mae wrote:

If I believe the Bible is the God-breathed and God-inspired inerrant Word of God, why would I ever disagree with a single thing it says?

(Let's try for some more progress, then. . . shall we?)

No way is the Bible the inerrant Word of God. For one thing, an interpretive reading is necessary in order to account for the inconsistencies found, throughout.

Arella Mae wrote:

If I believe the Bible is the God-breathed and God-inspired inerrant Word of God, why would I ever disagree with a single thing it says?

(Let's try for some more progress, then. . . shall we?)

No way is the Bible the inerrant Word of God. For one thing, an interpretive reading is necessary in order to account for the inconsistencies found, throughout.