Any serious Christians left?

I have explained how I feel and why. That is the best I can do. If you don't understand it then you don't understand it. I'm not asking you to agree with me. But, it's my honest answer to all your questions.

You don't seem to get it. You also don't seem to get how your one line out of the entire bible does not define how anyone lives their life.

You should at least be fair and honest about your intent.

Intrepid wrote:

You don't seem to get it. You also don't seem to get how your one line out of the entire bible does not define how anyone lives their life.

You should at least be fair and honest about your intent.

What parts should we be looking at?

Please answer this honest question, because I have a hard time knowing what parts to believe and which one's to discard.

Arella Mae wrote:

I have explained how I feel and why. That is the best I can do. If you don't understand it then you don't understand it. I'm not asking you to agree with me. But, it's my honest answer to all your questions.

I don't think you've explained it.


You stated that you would not force anybody to conform to Christianity.

You then stated that you would vote for laws that conformed to Christianity.

Your vote would in turn help mandate non-Christians to conform to Christian laws.

You would be forcing people to follow Christian law.



I understand that you would like to vote for laws that Christianity condones, but don't fool yourself to believing that you are not somehow restricting others rights solely based on your religious beliefs.

You are trying to have it both ways and you cannot.

Couldn't you just vote for individual's rights to be free. Wouldn't that follow the teachings of your bible.

By voting for gambling to be legal for example, you are not condoning gambling, but you are allowing people to use god's gift of free will.

Subsequently, if you vote to make gambling illegal, aren't you in turn violating god's gift to man?

maporsche wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

I have explained how I feel and why. That is the best I can do. If you don't understand it then you don't understand it. I'm not asking you to agree with me. But, it's my honest answer to all your questions.

I don't think you've explained it.


You stated that you would not force anybody to conform to Christianity.

You then stated that you would vote for laws that conformed to Christianity.

Your vote would in turn help mandate non-Christians to conform to Christian laws.

You would be forcing people to follow Christian law.



I understand that you would like to vote for laws that Christianity condones, but don't fool yourself to believing that you are not somehow restricting others rights solely based on your religious beliefs.

You are trying to have it both ways and you cannot.

FACT: If you and other non-believers get a law voted in that I must adhere to then I would I be forced to follow your law? This is the third time I have said I am telling how I honestly feel and believe. I am not asking you to adapt my beliefs or anything. So, let's get back to the topic of the thread?

The Bible? Remember?

maporsche wrote:

Couldn't you just vote for individual's rights to be free. Wouldn't that follow the teachings of your bible.

By voting for gambling to be legal for example, you are not condoning gambling, but you are allowing people to use god's gift of free will.

Subsequently, if you vote to make gambling illegal, aren't you in turn violating god's gift to man?

Asked, asked, asked, answered, answered, answered.

Edgar, is there anything particular about the Bible you might want to discuss? I'm not all that great at the history of it and would most definitely have to research on whatever I am sure you came up with but I'd be willing to if it will get the thread back on topic.

I realize that you aren't edgar. That is why I used edgar's, name at the beginning of that sentence. It was my way of saying, "Hey Edgar! Got an idea that will get us back on topic here?"

And yes, asked and answered. You just don't like my answer. It's not changing.

You know, this is the most ridiculous stuff that I have seen lately. How is it that when a Christian votes his conscience it is somehow wrong simply because he has a different moral code than someone else? AM votes as she does based on a morality that she bases on the Bible. MaP, you vote your conscience based on your morality that is based on whatever (your sense of right or wrong maybe? Groping for words here). Please someone tell me what in the name of sense is the difference!!! MaP, maybe your morality is based on your upbringing. What makes that superior to someone's morality based on the Koran or the Bible or for that matter Aesop's Fables?

Voting for what a person believes in is the American way, is it not? But y'all act as though a Christian shouldn't vote unless he is willing to ignore his own moral compass, simply because that moral compass is based on God's Word (or, for the non-believers out there, what the Christian believes is God's Word).

This has nothing to do with imposing Christianity on anyone. It is about striving to mold society into what one wants to see. And like it or not, that is what everyone who votes is attempting to do, whether they are Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist, agnostic or anything else.

You know, this is the most ridiculous stuff that I have seen lately. How is it that when a Christian votes his conscience it is somehow wrong simply because he has a different moral code than someone else? AM votes as she does based on a morality that she bases on the Bible. MaP, you vote your conscience based on your morality that is based on whatever (your sense of right or wrong maybe? Groping for words here). Please someone tell me what in the name of sense is the difference!!! MaP, maybe your morality is based on your upbringing. What makes that superior to someone's morality based on the Koran or the Bible or for that matter Aesop's Fables?

Voting for what a person believes in is the American way, is it not? But y'all act as though a Christian shouldn't vote unless he is willing to ignore his own moral compass, simply because that moral compass is based on God's Word (or, for the non-believers out there, what the Christian believes is God's Word).

This has nothing to do with imposing Christianity on anyone. It is about striving to mold society into what one wants to see. And like it or not, that is what everyone who votes is attempting to do, whether they are Christian, Jew, Muslim, atheist, agnostic or anything else.

So, it is ok for him, an agnostic, to vote to restrict freedoms as you call it, yet because a Christian would vote to do so, the Christian is wrong? Or is he also wrong for voting his conscience?

I'll await your answer.

Coastal Rat, You're talking through a straw; did you know that the US with over 90 percent christians is the most high crimes country in any developed country? You can't legislate ethics and morals; that's a fact.