Any serious Christians left?

I will say this again, as I have said before, there is nothing in the constitution that says YOU MUST or YOU MUST not consider any certain thing when deciding for your vote. There is nothing that says I cannot consider my religious beliefs anymore than it says you can or cannot consider your non-religious beliefs. :wink:

Arella Mae wrote:

I will say this again, as I have said before, there is nothing in the constitution that says YOU MUST or YOU MUST not consider any certain thing when deciding for your vote. There is nothing that says I cannot consider my religious beliefs anymore than it says you can or cannot consider your non-religious beliefs. :wink:

Arella, I don't know, but you may have to be satisfied in the knowledge that some here understand and accept what you say about choice in voting, and some will continue to resist it no matter what.

That head against the wall thing you've been doing looks painful.

snood wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

I will say this again, as I have said before, there is nothing in the constitution that says YOU MUST or YOU MUST not consider any certain thing when deciding for your vote. There is nothing that says I cannot consider my religious beliefs anymore than it says you can or cannot consider your non-religious beliefs. :wink:

Arella, I don't know, but you may have to be satisfied in the knowledge that some here understand and accept what you say about choice in voting, and some will continue to resist it no matter what.

That head against the wall thing you've been doing looks painful.

If it were only about choice in voting, that would change everything. It is not, or should not, be about choice in voting when it comes to fundamental human rights. One has no intrinsic or God-given right to deny a person their rights as a citizen. The Barry Goldwater quote is a good one.

maporsche wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

maporsche wrote:

timberlandko wrote:

Definitely sucks about the online gambling thing - helluva tax revenue stream just tossed away. However, from a purely pragmatic POV, a Federal ban is about the only way it coulda gone, given the nature of the 'net, unambiguous Federal wagering laws and the tangle of state laws pertaining to wagering.

Yeah, if you're going to ban it, a federal law is the only way to go. But c'mon, so much for the party of 'less government interference'.

And so much for the Christian POV of personal choice/freedom/free will/etc.

I sincerely doubt you would have been upset if they had voted your way right? You think they might not have liked it if your desires were met here? Stop trying to blame religion! People vote their conscience whatever that may derive from. You vote yours and they vote theirs. There is no difference. WE ALL HAVE THE SAME EXACT RIGHT. (Cap for emphasis only.)

What reason or right does anyone have to not like what I do in the privacy of my own home if it does not affect them?

I guess the same right you have to not (seemingly) like the fact that I practice Christianity? And don't say it effects you because I'll turn right around and tell you that your vote effects me too. It's a 50/50 thing here and you just don't seem to want to accept that maporsche.

maporsche wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

maporsche wrote:

timberlandko wrote:

Definitely sucks about the online gambling thing - helluva tax revenue stream just tossed away. However, from a purely pragmatic POV, a Federal ban is about the only way it coulda gone, given the nature of the 'net, unambiguous Federal wagering laws and the tangle of state laws pertaining to wagering.

Yeah, if you're going to ban it, a federal law is the only way to go. But c'mon, so much for the party of 'less government interference'.

And so much for the Christian POV of personal choice/freedom/free will/etc.

I sincerely doubt you would have been upset if they had voted your way right? You think they might not have liked it if your desires were met here? Stop trying to blame religion! People vote their conscience whatever that may derive from. You vote yours and they vote theirs. There is no difference. WE ALL HAVE THE SAME EXACT RIGHT. (Cap for emphasis only.)

What reason or right does anyone have to not like what I do in the privacy of my own home if it does not affect them?

I guess the same right you have to not (seemingly) like the fact that I practice Christianity? And don't say it effects you because I'll turn right around and tell you that your vote effects me too. It's a 50/50 thing here and you just don't seem to want to accept that maporsche.

Intrepid, You miss the whole point of religion; it's to better oneself. Religion is not meant to impose your personal beliefs on others. Each person interprets the bible differently; what makes you think your interpretation is the correct one?

It seems some people still haven't learned about the separation of church and state.

Arella Mae wrote:

I will say this again, as I have said before, there is nothing in the constitution that says YOU MUST or YOU MUST not consider any certain thing when deciding for your vote. There is nothing that says I cannot consider my religious beliefs anymore than it says you can or cannot consider your non-religious beliefs. :wink:

Arella, I don't know, but you may have to be satisfied in the knowledge that some here understand and accept what you say about choice in voting, and some will continue to resist it no matter what.

That head against the wall thing you've been doing looks painful.

Deja vue...

Not necessary, butrflynet.

Everybody understood exactly what you meant.

Spoken eloquently.

I don't care if you practice Christianity or not. I do care that you would use that belief to take away the rights of others. The 'voting your conscience' thing should not apply to removing rights from individuals.

If the following votes were on a ballot, would you vote for or agains them.

Making Porn illegal
Making Gambling illegal
Making Smoking illegal
Making Drinking illegal
Homosexual rights (marriage or domestic partnership with same rights as marriage)
Mandatory early childhoon religious education
Anti-Violence on TV legislation
Laws against swearing in public/on TV
Laws against taking god's name in vain
Laws making saying the pledge of allegence mandatory (including the phrase 'under god')

If you could simply state what you would vote for or not vote for that may be helpful.

Also, what are Christian views on gun laws? Do you support the right to bear arms. Would Jesus have supported that right?

My vote does affect you, but my vote will never be to remove any of your rights.

Your logic has been used throughout history to remove or deny rights from others.

Maporsche,

Putting religion aside. Are you not, by what you have said, trying to impose your beliefs on others that currently do not agree with you?

Lash wrote:

Not necessary, butrflynet.

Everybody understood exactly what you meant.

Spoken eloquently.

You are, apparently, satisfied with pictures and cartoons over actual words. Are you sure everybody knew? Since it was an obvious slap at somebody or somebodies, I guess you would understand.
You understood, too. You just won't be honest about it.
BTW.... who are you to tell somebody not to respond to my request?
Where did I tell her what to do? Can you show me?

Intrepid wrote:

Lash wrote:

Not necessary, butrflynet.

Everybody understood exactly what you meant.

Spoken eloquently.

You are, apparently, satisfied with pictures and cartoons over actual words. Are you sure everybody knew? Since it was an obvious slap at somebody or somebodies, I guess you would understand.
You understood, too. You just won't be honest about it.
BTW.... who are you to tell somebody not to respond to my request?
Where did I tell her what to do? Can you show me?

I'm Lash, btw.

This is interesting. Perhaps you could expand a little more with some oratory of your thoughts pertaining to the 17th century practices in the eastern part of the U.S.

Not necessary, butrflynet