Mel Gibson, holocaust denier.

What has the Simon Wiesenthal Center so scared? are they afraid some people will be motivated to read some of the revisonist material on the holocaust and compare it to the official version?

Information is a scary thing.

dont know what they r so angry about, its just a slight error. come to think of it, the amt of lives jews lost in the war was much then the soldiers. but maybe because what hitler did is just so bad they have to make sure they get the facts right and that those idotic crazy mental neo-nazis dont go around spouting "prpoganda"

people need to read some history . . .
No one who has read the Gospels can say that Mel Gibson is promoting anti-semitism. In order to accurately portray the story he must include the party who wanted to crucify Jesus. The Sanhedrin, Pharisees, and Jews were used at the time in a small way in a huge battle. Jesus died for our sins. Everyone's! That means mine,and yours, and anyone who accepts His love for them. As for the accuracy of Mel's movie, I believe the verse is located in Matthew 27:25, "All the people answered, 'Let his blood be on us and on our children." (NIV) Read in context, one assumes that since the region Jesus was crucified in was predominantly Jewish, those in the crowd were probably Jewish. Anyone who decides to hate Jews after seeing the movie, probably hated them before. I for one, take the blame for Jesus' death. I am a sinner. He died for me. It is no races, no religion's, fault. We were all a part of that crowd!

Wow! Mature! Now how much of the real story do you actually know?

lolli
You seem to forget Jesus was Jewish. Dying for peoples sins before and after the fact I neither believe nor understand. However, if it makes you happy and to feel forgiven in advance so be it.

Veteran member, unlike you, I have read the Gospels which state that Jesus came from the line of David. You ever heard of him? It's a Jewish line. So actually, Jesus was JEWISH, you got it. Good job!!! I don't see what that has to do with Him dying for us. Were your parents so cruel that you just can't imagine someone could love you enough to give you salvation.

just let me know how feel, truthfully?

lolli
What do I think. It is a fairy tale. It like all religion is a figment of man's vivid imagination.

Then we have something in common. I love fairytales!

We ALL killed Christ...
Every one of us is a sinner, and He came that we might live.

PS: The Jews were not the only ones persecuted in Nazi Germany. Many Catholics were also killed.

Rev. Martin Niemöller
"In Germany, they first came for the communists and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist," said the Rev. Martin Niemöller. "Then they came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics. I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak up."
The Rev. Niemöller spent time in one of the concentration camps.

soluki

You can believe what you will. However, as far as, I am concerned you might just as soon believe in Santa Claus.

Err, Lolli - I am using irony there, a tendency that gets me into a lot of trouble on some of these forums. Basically, I don't think that the Pontiff's 'rating' amounts to an awful lot. And it got our Mel into some trouble, if I remember correctly.

Mel Gibson, Holocust denier
Many people seem to forget, that if Christ had not been killed by the Jews and the Romans then two events would not have taken place:-
- Christ could not be a sacrifice for our sins
- The resurection would not have taken place so proving God's power over death.
So we should thank the Jews for killing our saviour, so that the punishment for our sins can be borne by Christ and thus he could raise again to show that we can have eternal life with God and Jesus.

Ehem, yes.

Welcome to A2K, David Shenfield.

>From the Jerusalem Post, March 12, 2004:

Who Would Have Guessed?

By Jean Cohen, Staff Writer

Mel Gibson nearly converted to Judaism? The irony is almost too much,
especially in view of the charges of subtle (or not so subtle)
anti-Semitism being hurled at him today, after the release of his
latest film, the Passion of the Christ. Gibson himself recently denied
it, but his friends from his year-long stay in Israel as a college
student stand by their story. And it makes for another fascinating
chapter in the history of this complex man.

Mel Gibson was born with the unlikely name of Mel Columcille Gerard
Gibson on January 3rd, 1956 in Peekskill, New York. No, he is not
Australian, either. There goes another myth about the man. He was the
sixth of eleven children born to Hutton and Ann Gibson. His father, a
railroad brakeman and himself a study in contradictions, was a strictly
traditional, pre-Vatican II style Roman Catholic but also a strident
opponent of the Vietnam War. In fear that his sons might be drafted to
serve in that war, he moved young Mel and the rest of the family
Sydney, Australia, where Mel's mother had been born. There Mel sought
to gain acceptance by studiously cultivating an Australian accent,
which lingers to this day.

After finishing high school graduate, Gibson thought of pursuing a
career in, of all things, cooking or journalism. But his sister
applied to an was accepted at the National Institute of Dramatic Art at
the University of New South Wales, which fired the young Gibson's
imagination. He quickly decided to try his hand at acting. An
argument with his father interrupted his plans, however, and Mel, who
had been very devoted to his father, decided he had to 'get away' and
develop some independence. What better place than Israel, the Holy
Land? So in the summer of 1974, with a backpack and $420 in his pocket
(money he'd earned mowing lawns), Gibson deplaned in Tel Aviv and set
off to volunteer on a kibbutz and travel around the country.

His close friends from those days, Jamie Whittier and Claude Delancey,
whom he met during his stay on Kibbutz Degania near the Sea of Galilee,
recall a confused, angry, restless young man in search of an identity.
Strict Roman Catholicism in Israel being somewhat of an anomaly, Gibson
began to attend synagogue services on the Sabbath. His friends report
he was so excited by the intensity of Jewish Sabbath prayers and the
lilting reading of the Torah each week that he soon began to observe
the Sabbath laws as well as insist on eating only kosher food. At
first, he described this as an attempt to "walk in the ways of Jesus,"
but even that rationale soon fell by the wayside. Within six months of
his arrival, he was taking conversion classes and had informed his
family of his intention to stay in Israel as an Orthodox Jew.

Mel's father was furious. He threatened to disown his son, and told
him that Jesus brought an end to Judaism as a valid religion, and that
no son of his would be "a Kike." Mel stood his ground. By the time,
Gibson Senior arrived in Israel in November of that year, he found his
son had adopted the name Moshe, had begun dressing in black Orthodox
garb and was putting on tefillin each morning. In desperation, the
elder Gibson told Mel that his mother was suffering from cancer back in
Sydney and had asked that her son come home immediately. Fearful that
it was true, Mel boarded a flight to Australia with his father, only to
be met there by his brothers who, along with their father, locked Mel
up in his bedroom and cut him off from all contact with the outside
world until he gave up his plans to convert to Judaism.

It took Gibson two and one-half weeks to break and agree to return to
Catholicism. The rest, as they say, is history. Gibson never wavered
after that. He soon began to denounce Jews and Judaism to anyone who
would listen.

In time, his message became more subtle but his feelings and attitudes
are clear enough. So we are left to wonder what might have been if Mel
Gibson had become Moshe Gibson after all. Oh, the irony!

David Shenfield
What you seem to forget is that the first Gospels were written 70 years after the death of Christ. How much was truth and how much was myth is unknown. Tell a story to someone at the head of a line and pass it back what will the last individual hear?

Someone explain something to me...
...how about all those who lived and died before Jesus was born? Were they destined to hell from the start for not embracing their non-existent Savior? Or were they also saved because Jesus's suffering was retroactive, redeeming all those souls who were, up until that point, burning for eternity?

Another thing - do any of the brainwashed out there believe in extraterrestial intelligence and if so, does the Jesus syndrom apply to beings in other galaxies as well?

Always intrigued,

Glenn

Exactly, as Ian Anderson stated at the beginning of his own version of the bible (though I'm sure someone said it before him), "In the beginning, man created god....

Lies on Beautiful Talmud
The Lies & Misquotation on the Great Talmud, have long been revealed!

"Do not do onto others which you dislike ".(Talmud - Shabbat).

"Accept-receive all human beings with a smile and a happy face." (Talmud -Avot).

"Refrain from judging a fellow human being until you reach his exact place in time and surrounding situation." [almost impossible, so Don't Judge!]. [Talmud Avot)

"One that adds to the truth, takes really off of it." (Talmud)

See: Talmud -Peace! and the lies rebuffed.