rosborne979
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 01:34 pm
RexRed wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
If evil is idolatry wouldn't putting what is seen and observed in front of what is unseen be the very definition of science?


Isn't putting what is unseen and unknown in front of what is seen and known the very definition of insanity?


One must have a true spiritual perspective before the physical perspective comes into focus...


Not if you're mentally healthy.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 02:45 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
If evil is idolatry wouldn't putting what is seen and observed in front of what is unseen be the very definition of science?


Isn't putting what is unseen and unknown in front of what is seen and known the very definition of insanity?


One must have a true spiritual perspective before the physical perspective comes into focus...


Not if you're mentally healthy.


Well,

That is a subjective opinion.

Pascal was a betting man...

So are you saying that psychology has proven by "science" that to believe in God is unhealthy?

Your stance has proven my point... Science is idolatry. Science cannot know God and never will. God is measured in increments of faith not decibels of dissent.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 02:49 pm
neologist wrote:
Like I said: What hat are you pulling these revelations from?


Job 5:12
He disappointeth the devices of the crafty [inventors], so that their hands cannot perform their enterprise.
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c logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 02:52 pm
RexRed wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
If evil is idolatry wouldn't putting what is seen and observed in front of what is unseen be the very definition of science?


Isn't putting what is unseen and unknown in front of what is seen and known the very definition of insanity?


One must have a true spiritual perspective before the physical perspective comes into focus...


Come on RexRed, isn't it obvious that if one puts "a spiritual perspective before the physical perspective", there is a high likelyhood the physical perspective will not come into focus?
"Earth is flat and everything revolves around the earth" was one of the very numerous spiritual perspectives, wasn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:01 pm
c_logic wrote:
RexRed wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
If evil is idolatry wouldn't putting what is seen and observed in front of what is unseen be the very definition of science?


Isn't putting what is unseen and unknown in front of what is seen and known the very definition of insanity?


One must have a true spiritual perspective before the physical perspective comes into focus...


Come on RexRed, isn't it obvious that if one puts "a spiritual perspective before the physical perspective", there is a high likelyhood the physical perspective will not come into focus?
"Earth is flat and everything revolves around the earth" was one of the very numerous spiritual perspectives, wasn't it? Correct me if I'm wrong.


Just because someone believes in the true God does not mean that it has to cloud their facilities of reasoning with superstition.

True faith is not base upon superstition but logic also... the logic of the spirit.

But to be a purist in science certainly closes the mind to imperceptible truths because our senses are incapable of reaching into the spiritual realm.

The eyes lie.. do railroad tracks converge on the horizon?

1Co 2:14
But the natural man [agnostic scientist] receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:08 pm
The voice can be thrown, feelings change, sight can be distorted, taste is subjective... the sense of smell can be deceived.

In the midst of these limited senses the spirit becomes the only messenger of true revelation.
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c logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:18 pm
RexRed wrote:
... Science is idolatry. Science cannot know God and never will. God is measured in increments of faith not decibels of dissent...


Science and reason are the only things that keep reality in focus.
When you say that "science is idolatry" you say that reason and observation are not important - therefore opening a Pandora's box of an infinite number of supersitions where only the human imagination is the limit.

You say that one must have faith... Why start or stop with "God"?

Faith = God ?

Not really...

Faith = Pandora's Box of an infinite number of superstitions, one of which is God...
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c logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:22 pm
RexRed wrote:
True faith is not base upon superstition but logic also... the logic of the spirit.


I have to disagree with you RexRed.
Faith is simply one's subjective wishful thinking - therefore the different types of faith.
It has nothing to do with logic, as logic would require it to provide some sort of measurable evidence.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:22 pm
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
If evil is idolatry wouldn't putting what is seen and observed in front of what is unseen be the very definition of science?


Isn't putting what is unseen and unknown in front of what is seen and known the very definition of insanity?


What is unseen is not necessarily unknown.
Science takes measurements of every measurement it takes.
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echi
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:31 pm
RexRed wrote:
But to be a purist in science certainly closes the mind to imperceptible truths because our senses are incapable of reaching into the spiritual realm.


Can psychology reach into the "spiritual realm"?
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:37 pm
RexRed wrote:
. . . But to be a purist in science certainly closes the mind to imperceptible truths because our senses are incapable of reaching into the spiritual realm. . .
Not necessarily, Rex. The bible, which you claim to revere, although inspired by our spiritual God, was wrtten in concrete terms so that even ordinary folks could understand it.
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c logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:45 pm
echi wrote:
Science takes measurements of every measurement it takes.


... which is a slow (and to many people an unsatisfying) process of seeking the truth. Religion/Faith is the "more convenient" answer for the more impatient among us.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:51 pm
neologist wrote:
RexRed wrote:
. . . But to be a purist in science certainly closes the mind to imperceptible truths because our senses are incapable of reaching into the spiritual realm. . .
Not necessarily, Rex. The bible, which you claim to revere, although inspired by our spiritual God, was written in concrete terms so that even ordinary folks could understand it.


And where in your grab bag did you get that idea?

The Bible is written for potentially spiritual people be they ordinary or not...

Would you call a book written for the unspiritual and scientific a "holy" Bible?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:52 pm
Give me some time and I will try to respond to each your questions.
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c logic
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:52 pm
RexRed wrote:
But to be a purist in science certainly closes the mind to imperceptible truths because our senses are incapable of reaching into the spiritual realm.


It will be difficult to find imperceptible truths with faith, since, as I said before, human mind is capable of creting an infinite number of "imperceptible truths". Faith is unfortunately not the answer...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:54 pm
c_logic wrote:
RexRed wrote:
But to be a purist in science certainly closes the mind to imperceptible truths because our senses are incapable of reaching into the spiritual realm.


It will be difficult to find imperceptible truths with faith, since, as I said before, human mind is capable of creating an infinite number of "imperceptible truths". Faith is unfortunately not the answer...


It is not the mind that derives the truth it is the spirit that teaches the mind...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 03:56 pm
echi wrote:
rosborne979 wrote:
RexRed wrote:
If evil is idolatry wouldn't putting what is seen and observed in front of what is unseen be the very definition of science?


Isn't putting what is unseen and unknown in front of what is seen and known the very definition of insanity?


What is unseen is not necessarily unknown.
Science takes measurements of every measurement it takes.


It think it is called the rate of the rate...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 04:00 pm
c_logic wrote:
RexRed wrote:
... Science is idolatry. Science cannot know God and never will. God is measured in increments of faith not decibels of dissent...


Science and reason are the only things that keep reality in focus.
When you say that "science is idolatry" you say that reason and observation are not important - therefore opening a Pandora's box of an infinite number of supersitions where only the human imagination is the limit.

You say that one must have faith... Why start or stop with "God"?

Faith = God ?

Not really...

Faith = Pandora's Box of an infinite number of superstitions, one of which is God...


Faith is measured by the spirit and the profit it produces...

Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; 17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, 18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; 19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
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neologist
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 04:06 pm
RexRed wrote:
neologist wrote:
RexRed wrote:
. . . But to be a purist in science certainly closes the mind to imperceptible truths because our senses are incapable of reaching into the spiritual realm. . .
Not necessarily, Rex. The bible, which you claim to revere, although inspired by our spiritual God, was written in concrete terms so that even ordinary folks could understand it.
. . . And where in your grab bag did you get that idea?. . .
"I publicly praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and intellectual ones and have revealed them to babes." (Matthew 11:25)
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 30 Sep, 2006 04:07 pm
c_logic wrote:
RexRed wrote:
True faith is not base upon superstition but logic also... the logic of the spirit.


I have to disagree with you RexRed.
Faith is simply one's subjective wishful thinking - therefore the different types of faith.
It has nothing to do with logic, as logic would require it to provide some sort of measurable evidence.


1Co 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
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