The Holy month of Ramadan

Steve 41oo wrote:

muslim1 wrote:

Steve 41oo wrote:

Are you saying life expectancy has declined for the Muslims over 1400 years of Islam?

No. I compared life expectancy in modern times with the long lives in very ancient times. For example: Prophets Adam and Noah (Peace be upon them) lived approximately 1000 years, while people of today (Muslims and non-Muslims alike) rarely exceed 90.

Well as the original bloke Adam and the guy with the boat never existed at all, I suppose you can have them live any length of time. Why not 10,000 years, or 100 million? Muslim1 you are clearly not stupid, but please dont tell me you actually believe that Adam and Noah lived nearly 1000 years. Or is this just another example of faith transcending reason?

So if science or mankind doesn't find proof, it means it doesn't exist? I really like your reasoning, I assume mankind is infallible. What happened to putting your faith in your Creator, clearly he knows everything and only reveals what is true.

Raul-7 wrote:

Steve 41oo wrote:

muslim1 wrote:

Steve 41oo wrote:

Are you saying life expectancy has declined for the Muslims over 1400 years of Islam?

No. I compared life expectancy in modern times with the long lives in very ancient times. For example: Prophets Adam and Noah (Peace be upon them) lived approximately 1000 years, while people of today (Muslims and non-Muslims alike) rarely exceed 90.

Well as the original bloke Adam and the guy with the boat never existed at all, I suppose you can have them live any length of time. Why not 10,000 years, or 100 million? Muslim1 you are clearly not stupid, but please dont tell me you actually believe that Adam and Noah lived nearly 1000 years. Or is this just another example of faith transcending reason?

So if science or mankind doesn't find proof, it means it doesn't exist? I really like your reasoning, I assume mankind is infallible. What happened to putting your faith in your Creator, clearly he knows everything and only reveals what is true.

ok let me as you the same question, do you believe Noah lived to be nearly 1000 years old? And why didnt mohammed live for even longer, being the last and greatest prophet? Why isnt Mohammed alive today? He would only be a spritely 1400 or so? Why did the old prophets live to such a great age, yet the greatest prophet of the lot only lived a normal human lifespan? There is something wrong here, and its not my reasoning.

ok interesting answer Raul. My ironimeter registers zero...so

now, unless you are considerably older than you appear to be, you were not around at the time yourself to witness the Angel of Death coming down to Mohammed and giving him the options.

So where did you get this story from? Did you read it in a book, or did someone tell you, or is it a bit of wishful thinking on your behalf?

Surely Mohammed, by dying and going to heaven, abandoned his people, when he could have stayed around guiding them until the day of Judgement. Just think how the world could have been now, all Muslim, all living happy contented lives under one 1500 year old leader Mohammed. Look at the world as it is, war starvation famine diseases gluttony you name it we are doing all the wrong things. Why did Mohammed not stay with us to keep us all on the right path until we could all go to heaven together?

But you say God wanted Adam and Noah to live a long time because he had some special jobs for them. Well for a human being, 1000 years certainly is a long time. When someone reaches 100 that is quite significant. In this country the person gets a special greeting card from the Queen. So 200 is...well its unheard of. Just think when someone celebrates their 500 700 800 birthday. Perhaps they might become famous for living such a long time. Perhaps other people might notice. But in the time of Noah they didnt did they? No one ever remarks on how old Noah was getting now he'd lived a few centuries. Noah never talked about meeting people 400 years ago. No one anywhere at anytime ever remarked on this truly astonishing feat of living 500+ years.

I put it to you quite bluntly Raul that no one[/i] has ever lived for several centuries, and if the Koran or the Bible claim it true, then those books are in error. And if anyone actually believes it to be true they are a fool.

Anyways all of his ahadeeth still remain with us till this day, we still learn from them and they still provide us with the right guidance to follow.

Raul-7 wrote:

Doktor S wrote:

"Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

And yet you follow in Satan's footsteps; how ironic.

The likeness of those who disbelieve is that of someone who yells out to something which cannot hear - it is nothing but a cry and a call. Deaf - dumb - blind. They do not use their intellects. (Surat al-Baqara: 171)

They will say, 'If only we had really listened and used our intellect, we would not have been Companions of the Blaze.' (Surat al-Mulk: 10)

*They: you being one of them.

Raul, how should an intelectual interpret this enlightening statement of your prophet?

Bukhari:Volume 4 Book 54 Number 516



How does this work? Does he get restless and move from nose to nose? Is he omnipresent and in many noses at once? How does he get in there? Does he like buggers? Is he partial to muslim noses?

Yes, Raul, the hadeeth do indeed provide us much insight, but in other threads you seem to avoid discussing them.

Raul, how should an intelectual interpret this enlightening statement of your prophet?

Bukhari:Volume 4 Book 54 Number 516



How does this work? Does he get restless and move from nose to nose? Is he omnipresent and in many noses at once? How does he get in there? Does he like buggers? Is he partial to muslim noses?

Happy Ramadan, muslim1.

In Ramadan, the devils are chained and their strength and power is diminished.

muslim1 wrote:

In Ramadan, the devils are chained and their strength and power is diminished.

so its safe to go out then?

Steve 41oo wrote:

muslim1 wrote:

In Ramadan, the devils are chained and their strength and power is diminished.

so its safe to go out then?

"We can't say that the devils have died or have been slain. They have merely been chained. A chained devil can still get up to some mischief, but not as much as usual. The power of these devils is diminished according to how completely we observe our fasts. A person whose fasts are observed in the best, most complete possible manner repels the power of Satan far more than a person whose fasts are deficient. "
[By Sheikh Ibn Taymiyah (May Allah have mercy upon his soul), one the most eminent Scholars of Islam]

muslim1 wrote:

Steve 41oo wrote:

muslim1 wrote:

In Ramadan, the devils are chained and their strength and power is diminished.

so its safe to go out then?

"We can't say that the devils have died or have been slain. They have merely been chained. A chained devil can still get up to some mischief, but not as much as usual. The power of these devils is diminished according to how completely we observe our fasts. A person whose fasts are observed in the best, most complete possible manner repels the power of Satan far more than a person whose fasts are deficient. "
[By Sheikh Ibn Taymiyah (May Allah have mercy upon his soul), one the most eminent Scholars of Islam]

Well thats what Sheikh Ibn Taymiyah says, but what do youthink Mulsim1? Do you really believe in satan and his (un)holy angels....jinns I think in Islam? What do these jinns do? How are they possibly kept at bay by not eating?

Fasting during Ramadan, the Muslims holy month, was ordained during the second year of Hijrah (Migration of the Prophet [Peace and blessings be upon him] from Makkah to Madinah. Why not earlier?
In Makkah the economic conditions of the Muslims were bad. They were being persecuted. Often days would go by before they had anything to eat. It is easy to skip meals if you don't have any. Obviously fasting would have been easier under the circumstances. So why not then?


The answer may be that Ramadan is not only about skipping meals. While fasting is an integral and paramount part of it, Ramadan offers a comprehensive program for our spiritual overhaul. The entire program required the peace and security that was offered by Madinah.


Yes, Ramadan is the most important month of the year. It is the month that the believers await with eagerness.
During Ramadan the believers get busy seeking Allah's mercy, forgiveness, and protection from Hellfire. This is the month for renewing our commitment and re-establishing our relationship with our Creator. It is the spring season for goodness and virtues when righteousness blossoms throughout the Muslim communities. "If we combine all the blessings of the other eleven months, they would not add up to the blessings of Ramadan," said one of the Muslim Scholars. It offers every Muslim an opportunity to strengthen his/her belief, purify his/her heart and soul, and to remove the evil effects of the sins committed by him/her.


Ramadan is the month for rebuilding our spiritual strength. How much we benefit from it is up to us.

Regarding the Holy month of Ramadan:

This month is a time of intensive worship, reading of the Qur'an, giving charity, purifying one's behavior, and doing good deeds. For Muslims (Submitters), Ramadan is not merely a holiday, but an opportunity to gain by giving up, to prosper by going without and to grow stronger by enduring weakness. As a secondary goal, fasting is a way of experiencing hunger and developing sympathy for the less fortunate and learning thankfulness and appreciation for all of God's bounties.

It needs to be mentioned that although these manners, attitudes and ideals are encouraged during the month of Ramadan, it does not mean that once Ramadan is over they are forgotten or discouraged. On the contrary, Ramadan is designed to reinforce and rejuvenate them for the rest of the year and for the rest of a Muslim's life in general.

The most obvious aspect of this month is the intensification of family and community spirit. It is a commonplace practice to invite and be invited to family and friends homes for the breaking of the fast, called Iftar. Muslims also gather to pray together for this kind of communal praying is highly encouraged and rewarded. They do not spend their time in isolation as is generally thought but in the company of each other.