The Holy month of Ramadan

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:

Now, now, Islam isn't all that bad.

A lot of the greatest discoveries were made in Muslim countries, like modern medicine. (Not the modern numerical system, however. That was Indian). Ah, how much better off we would be if there were more Muslims like those that used to live in Muslim Spain in the old days.

no its not as bad as cannibalism. As for greatest discoveries, compare what has come out of W Europe since the Renaissance with Islamic countries. I rest my case.

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Steve 41oo wrote:

Wolf_ODonnell wrote:
Now, now, Islam isn't all that bad.

A lot of the greatest discoveries were made in Muslim countries, like modern medicine. (Not the modern numerical system, however. That was Indian). Ah, how much better off we would be if there were more Muslims like those that used to live in Muslim Spain in the old days.
no its not as bad as cannibalism. As for greatest discoveries, compare what has come out of W Europe since the Renaissance with Islamic countries. I rest my case.

A rather silly thing to do.

What say we compare what came out of China with Western Europe before the Renaissance? Then compare it with what came out of Western Europe after the Renaissance.

Ah, I don't know why I bother.

The person that posted this thread won't see me defending your religion and will once again blame me and everyone else on this forum of attacking his religion. REally, there's no pleasing some people.

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The person who posted this thread (muslim1) was involved in a self stimulation exercise with three aspects.

1. Reinforcement of his own position by repetition of "the holy words"
2. Attempting to combat the recent bad press for Islam by doing a PR explanatory synopsis.
3. Earning potential "celestial brownie points".

No alternative "rationality" involving common sense views on health, conditioning, or moral hypocrisy is likely to have any impact on those aspects because such rationality undermines muslim1's concept of "himself". We are therefore left in the position of "concerned observers" of a once, but no longer flourishing chauvinistic culture, which fights in vain for "social respectability" in a world which has moved on.

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fresco wrote:

..such rationality undermines muslim1's concept of "himself"...

herself

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...if that's the case the chauvinism angle certainly involves an interesting bit of convoluted thinking on behalf of Islamic women !

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Back to the topic.

Fasting during Ramadan, the Muslims holy month, was ordained during the second year of Hijrah (Migration of the Prophet [Peace and blessings be upon him] from Makkah to Madinah. Why not earlier?
In Makkah the economic conditions of the Muslims were bad. They were being persecuted. Often days would go by before they had anything to eat. It is easy to skip meals if you don't have any. Obviously fasting would have been easier under the circumstances. So why not then?

The answer may be that Ramadan is not only about skipping meals. While fasting is an integral and paramount part of it, Ramadan offers a comprehensive program for our spiritual overhaul. The entire program required the peace and security that was offered by Madinah.

Yes, Ramadan is the most important month of the year. It is the month that the believers await with eagerness.
During Ramadan the believers get busy seeking Allah's mercy, forgiveness, and protection from Hellfire. This is the month for renewing our commitment and re-establishing our relationship with our Creator. It is the spring season for goodness and virtues when righteousness blossoms throughout the Muslim communities. "If we combine all the blessings of the other eleven months, they would not add up to the blessings of Ramadan," said one of the Muslim Scholars. It offers every Muslim an opportunity to strengthen his/her belief, purify his/her heart and soul, and to remove the evil effects of the sins committed by him/her.

Ramadan is the month for rebuilding our spiritual strength. How much we benefit from it is up to us.

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...you said it..."programming"....right on topic ! :wink:

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What sort of explanation do you have for the unspeakable violence taking place in Islamic countries such as Afghanistan and Iraq. Is there no religious leadership exerting moral control?

Or are you going to tell us that just as there are good and bad christians, there are good and bad muslims and nothing can be done about it?

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Well I'm now settling down to read The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins.

see y'all later

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So whats the point of Ramadan? Shouldnt it be ramma year? When I consider the hypocrisy, the violence, the intolerance, the sheer bloody minded stupidity of religious fanatics it makes me want to start an intellectual war on religion to bury their medieval repressive backward looking and dangerous delusions once and for all.

The same things could be said about Christmas.

Most religions have holy days where followers take special time to focus on righteousness. As another poster noted, one gets out of religion what one puts into it.

I wish you a blessed Ramadan.

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I wish you a blessed Ramadan

Thanks. I'm going to spend it studying Dawkins book (above)

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Speaking of which

Chapter 4

Why there almost certainly is no God

"The priests of the different religious sects....dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they live".

-Thomas Jefferson

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The priests of the different religious sects....dread the advance of science

Except Islam. Here is a link to an interesting ebook: "The Qur'an and modern science: Compatible or incompatible?":

Qur'an and modern science

Regarding the Holy month of Ramadan:

This month is a time of intensive worship, reading of the Qur'an, giving charity, purifying one's behavior, and doing good deeds. For Muslims (Submitters), Ramadan is not merely a holiday, but an opportunity to gain by giving up, to prosper by going without and to grow stronger by enduring weakness. As a secondary goal, fasting is a way of experiencing hunger and developing sympathy for the less fortunate and learning thankfulness and appreciation for all of God's bounties.

It needs to be mentioned that although these manners, attitudes and ideals are encouraged during the month of Ramadan, it does not mean that once Ramadan is over they are forgotten or discouraged. On the contrary, Ramadan is designed to reinforce and rejuvenate them for the rest of the year and for the rest of a Muslim's life in general.

The most obvious aspect of this month is the intensification of family and community spirit. It is a commonplace practice to invite and be invited to family and friends homes for the breaking of the fast, called Iftar. Muslims also gather to pray together for this kind of communal praying is highly encouraged and rewarded. They do not spend their time in isolation as is generally thought but in the company of each other.

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muslim1 wrote:

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The priests of the different religious sects....dread the advance of science

Except Islam..

I'll believe that Muslim1 when you accept Darwinian evolution and natural selection.

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...
ramadan is not all about fasting. it's is also about caring for other ppl like the needy etc and looking forward to their needs and desires for a change. it also kinda reminds us of the 'sins' we commit all year long and it's the time for a new beggining....
if u read between the lines of course...
ps happy ramadan...i personally really enjoy it!!!

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The 17th of Ramadan: A day when the Truth prevailed.

The battle of Badr (17th of Ramadan 2 AH [624 CE]) was the most important among the Islamic battles. For the first time the followers of Islam were put into a serious test. Had victory been the lot of the pagan army while the Islamic Forces were still at the beginning of their developments, the faith of Islam could have come to an end.

No one was aware of the importance of the outcome of the Battle as the Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) himself. We might read the depth of his anxiety in his prayer before the beginning of the Battle when he stood up supplicating his Lord :
God, this is Quraish. It has come with all its arrogance and boastfulness, trying to discredit Thy Apostle. God, I ask Thee to humiliate them tomorrow. God, if this Muslim band will perish today, Thou shall not be worshipped.

At this battle, the pagan army consisted of approximately 1000 fighters, while the Islamic army was only 314 (including the Messenger Peace and blessings be upon him).

This was indeed a great day. The Islamic victory was tremendous. This battle laid the foundation of the Islamic State and made out of the Muslims a force to be reckoned with by the dwellers of the Arabic Peninsula.

God says: "Allah had helped you at Badr, when ye were a contemptible little force; then fear Allah. thus May ye show your gratitude."[Holy Qur'an 3:123]

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muslim1 wrote:

The 17th of Ramadan: A day when the Truth prevailed.

The battle of Badr (17th of Ramadan 2 AH [624 CE]) was the most important among the Islamic battles. For the first time the followers of Islam were put into a serious test. Had victory been the lot of the pagan army while the Islamic Forces were still at the beginning of their developments, the faith of Islam could have come to an end.

I therefore nominate it the Biggest Lost Opportunity of all time Day.

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Well?

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Steve 41oo wrote:

muslim1 wrote:
The 17th of Ramadan: A day when the Truth prevailed.

The battle of Badr (17th of Ramadan 2 AH [624 CE]) was the most important among the Islamic battles. For the first time the followers of Islam were put into a serious test. Had victory been the lot of the pagan army while the Islamic Forces were still at the beginning of their developments, the faith of Islam could have come to an end.
I therefore nominate it the Biggest Lost Opportunity of all time Day.

Because Islam is protected by your (and my) Creator, it will always prevail.

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muslim1 wrote:

Steve 41oo wrote:
muslim1 wrote:
The 17th of Ramadan: A day when the Truth prevailed.

The battle of Badr (17th of Ramadan 2 AH [624 CE]) was the most important among the Islamic battles. For the first time the followers of Islam were put into a serious test. Had victory been the lot of the pagan army while the Islamic Forces were still at the beginning of their developments, the faith of Islam could have come to an end.
I therefore nominate it the Biggest Lost Opportunity of all time Day.

Because Islam is protected by your (and my) Creator, it will always prevail.

It didnt help Abdul Rahman at the battle of Tours did it? Charles Martel with Gods help saved Christian Europe from the invading Muslims. Always prevail? Laughing

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