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John Ashcroft must be salavating over new tiny ID chips

 
 
Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 09:29 am
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 10:06 am
Many of us have already determined that John Ashcroft is a danger to democracy and our freedoms. It's incumbant upon all of us to make sure this administration disappears after 2004. The biggest hurdle is that GWBush enjoys a high performance rating. c.i.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 10:13 am
no need to worry John is praying for us/ or is that preying on us?
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 10:36 am
Preying, Dys. However, once word of this gets out, I suspect the reactionaries are gonna run with it...you know how suspicious they are about technology and how emotional they get about government control.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 03:33 pm
We can effect individual parts of the government and individual companies,
but the technology overall is inevitable.

For less than a buck anyone will be able to spy on anyone, with
500 video cameras the size of mosquitos, that you let fly all over the city.
So just like various Caller ID features on your phone today,
there will an arms race of measures and counter-measures,
products to purchase that combat other products.

It's a salesperson's nirvana!
The average citizen will be overwhelmed with all the complications,
and organized marketting campaigns will have the upper hand.
People will be as sheep.

That's why hand-made goods will become in such demand.
Not only are they unique, one of a kind, with real human spirit in them,
but they'll have the advantage of not containing RFID chips
or such organized spyware.

RFID chips greatly benefit the huge, centralized organization more than anybody else.
The only way they would become irrelevant and discarded is if we move
towards a distributed cottage-goods economy,
where people buy what they need from their close neighbors.

If large franchises, although super-cheap and hyper-efficient, were
shunned and avoided in favor of character and human integrity.
Many small but human communities.

I would pay three times the price for something that has real character
and that keeps me out of somebody's mass production and monitoring system.
But just like the discount card at your supermarket today,
if you want privacy you will have to pay extra for it.

I don't see any other way around ubiquitous technology like this.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 03:39 pm
the ghost in the machine is here to stay
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au1929
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 05:56 pm
Much too intrusive. It's usage must be controlled.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 06:22 pm
That's what Ashcroft wants to do - he wants total control to eliminate terrorism. c.i.
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GreenEyes
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 06:24 pm
Ashcroft needs to be put back on a leash.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 06:36 pm
The only people that can do that is the pres and congress. It's out of the people's control. c.i.
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jun, 2003 06:38 pm
au1929 wrote:
Much too intrusive. It's usage must be controlled.

I agree completely, but I'm afraid the only way you will control it is to pay extra. Isn't that just capitalism and free markets?

Maybe the best we could do -- is to use this technology to spy on John Ashcroft, et al.

AshcroftCam.com could charge a little fee...
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Eva
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2003 07:44 pm
I would pay for that.
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GreenEyes
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jun, 2003 07:48 pm
I'm with you Visitor!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 09:02 am
Quote:
Starting this week, the nation's largest discount retailer will quietly begin selling tracking-chipped products to clueless shoppers. The first volley in their war against our privacy is set to start at their Brockton, Massachusetts store.

Wal-Mart will put Radio Frequency I.D. sensors on shelves stocked with RFID-tagged Gillette products, but they'd rather you didn't know about it, because, hey, you might not like it, and then you might make noise and then they'd have a big PR mess on their hands.

You might even stop buying Gillette products or, say, refuse to shop at Wal-Mart.


Mary Starrett at newswithviews.com has been all over this.

You wanna just bitch, or do you want to do something about it?


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So what's a freedom-loving shopper to do?

Fortunately for us, there's a really smart lady finishing up a Ph.D. at Harvard. She started a group that's bellowing out the urgency of fighting this technology; her name is Katherine Albrecht and she's founder of CASPIAN (Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion And Numbering). Albrecht's CASPIAN has proposed a piece of federal legislation called "RFID RIGHT TO KNOW ACT OF 2003". It's a law that would let consumers know which products had tracking chips attached to them. In short, the proposed bill would amend the Fair Packaging and Labeling Program by adding language that requires manufacturers to state (in a conspicuous location) that the package contains a radio frequency identification tag that can transmit unique identification information to a "reader" device both before and AFTER it's purchased(!).

This is where you come in.

The bill needs a sponsor.

Maybe YOUR Congressional Representative would like to go on record as having helped stop this assault on our privacy. Forward this article to him/her and tell them the entire text of the bill can been seen at www.nocards.org.

Will you make it a point to email, call or fax your representative today, before our Big Brother gets any bigger? Do it NOW before the lobbyists and big money special interests get to them and convince Congress these RFID chips are consumer-friendly!

And while you're at it, why not tell the suits at Wal-Mart and Gillette (and Home Depot, Proctor and Gamble and Johnson & Johnson, too, by the way) that from here on out you wouldn't go near their stores or their products with a ten foot pole.


And Mary concludes with this (emphasis mine):

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If RFID gets off the ground as planned, that would make George Orwells' predictions off by just 20 years. It's up to us.


Big Brother Comes to Wal-Mart
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jun, 2003 09:04 am
CodeBorg, Count me in on a contribution to spy on Ashcroft. That will be money well spent. c.i.
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 16 Jun, 2003 07:39 pm
Uh huh, just as I predicted last week, the conservatives are jumping all over this. And I still think we're gonna see a reactionary response...
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