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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 01:47 pm
Spendy, you need to increase the dosage. Rolling Eyes Cool Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 01:51 pm
McTag wrote:
Spendy, you need to increase the dosage. Rolling Eyes Cool Laughing
agree but of what? uppers downers sidewaysers fronters backers? I'll buy you a pint Spendy if you are ever this way...
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smorgs
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 03:37 pm
Calm down spendy...

It's only a commercial!

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Mathos
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 04:00 pm
I keep telling you lot he's bloody daft!
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 06:03 pm
ENDYMION wrote-

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Reid is a racist c*nt (in my opinion)


Look at it this way mate.

Sadism can be, has been, defined as the pleasure felt from the observed modifications on the external world produced by the will of the observer.

Thus all politicians are sadists because the ability to modify the external world can hardly be brought to a higher pitch than is obtainable by a minister of state.

To castigate Mr Reid because he is doing what any other sadist would do given the circumstances he's in is as daft as castigating a guard dog for barking at a sudden, startling sound in the night.

The terrorist also is a sadist who seeks the modify the external world in a more dramatic fashion than is ordinarily acceptable as in such things as gardening or other displays of conspicuous selfhood.

On the principle of set a thief to catch a thief we need sadists in charge so that the lazy, idle good for nothings, can continue boozing, goofing off and lounging on the couch watching the cricket in peace.

Ideally we would force people such as myself to be PM or Home Secretary for a year, say, and make work illegal and the beer free and cancel all the customs, traditions and laws relating to decency and suchlike tripe and let it all hang out but sadly we don't live in an ideal world.

It is not sadistic to obey the orders of a sadist when he/she has the power to reduce your income so that you can't afford beer or a 42" HD colour TV or any other necessity or when your behaviour has no effect on anything or anybody. Things being much less important in this respect than people and small numbers of people being less important than large numbers.

Or both.

I couldn't possibly bring myself, for example, to book a foreign holiday because I know how much trouble it causes to others. I am aware that the pilot of the plane, and the other crew, would really prefer to have a lie-in, assuming they are not mad I mean, and I wouldn't wish to be a contributory cause to such a modification of normality as him/her/them having to be up in the middle of the night, for bargain flights, and who in their right mind would want anything else but a bargain, packing a travelling bag and putting on a reassuring uniform and serious mien and having to entertain the stewardesses in strange hotels while the aircraft is being turned round by the ground crew.

Footballers are serious sadists. They can cause whole communities, even nations, to be rendered either as sick as parrots or over the moon just with a lucky deflection which escaped the reach of the goalie's despairing fingertips causing the ball to end up in the back of the net, an expression Paddy Crerand uses a lot, or by a ridiculous lunge inside their own penalty box either of which were adjudicated on by a consultation between the ref and one of his assistants in their little short pants with their little knees on display. (Disgusting- unveiled knees adjudicating on the overtime in the breweries. At least cricket umpires cover their knees when putting their finger up.)



It must be realised that we use veils in England and the thicker they are the posher they are.

PS- Our veils cover a different part of the female anatomy, although I know some ladies have been pushing the envelope in recent years with a degree of impunity, than the Islamic veil does but -hey- you have to allow for the arid environments they live in. And the sand.
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 06:10 pm
smorgsie wrote-

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It's only a commercial!


And what is being temptingly offered pray?
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smorgs
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 11:10 pm
Morning everyone!

It's raining...

I'm going to make a crumpet.

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 11:41 pm
Steve 41oo wrote:


There's some interesting stories in todays Grauniad

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Universities urged to spy on Muslims...'Asian looking' students targeted



And today:

http://i11.tinypic.com/43dkt20.jpg

online report
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smorgs
 
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Reply Mon 16 Oct, 2006 11:55 pm
Bloody hell, Walter!

It's a bit early for the Muslim thing...

We havn't done the weather and residual smut and insults from last night yet - not that there was much. Even spends was off form.

Lets keep this thing frivolous chaps, OK?

At least for the first hour...

I hope we all remember to say: "prunes and piquant prisms" 80 times today!

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 12:09 am
Beautiful "Indian summer" day here again - forth or fifth in row, with day temperatures up to 20° (but bloody cold in the morning)!

And how's the weather on the banks of the Irwell and Irk?
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Lord Ellpus
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 12:13 am
smorgs wrote:
Morning everyone!

It's raining...

I'm going to make a crumpet.

x


It's another pea souper here this morning, and forecast to be dry, sunny (ish), and 19c.

I wish I was going to have some crumpet this morning. Spread thick with marmite, of course (I know what you were thinking).
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smorgs
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 12:18 am
Don't know Walter...

But the weather on the banks of the Mersey is:

A little drizzle and very misty - the perfect day for work...

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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 12:30 am
And now it would be interesting, how's along the River Etherow, the River Goyt and the River Tame :wink:
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the prince
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 01:40 am
Why is it called Indian Summer ?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 01:54 am
Because of the Americans. :wink:

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The term originated in New England and probably arose from the Indians' practice of gathering winter stores at this time. This autumn warm period also occurs in Europe, where in Britain it is called All-hallown summer or Old Wives' summer
source: Britannica

It's Old Women Summer ('Altweibersummer') in German, in Dutch the same (oudewijvenzomer ), while the French are American-like here (été indien ) and the Swedes don't really know: brittsommar and indiansommar
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 02:34 am
Walter Hinteler wrote:
And now it would be interesting, how's along the River Etherow, the River Goyt and the River Tame :wink:


Etherow, Goyt and Tame reporting, Sah! All well. Fest steht die Wacht am Mersey.

It did rain in the night, and was damp as we breakfasted (not on crumpets and Marmite) but now the sun is out! Oh happy day!

The weather forecast is for rain, but it looks more settled than that.

And now I hand you over to Chorlton. (not sure if you can post from work, Smorgie)
I must come over to the Jobcentre one of these days and bum a coffee off you.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 03:09 am
lovely day here too.

its really strange though when we have a brilliant warm day then its suddenly dark at 6 pm or there abouts. Almost like winter daylight summer temperature.

ps sorry for starting yesterday off with Muslim news, I'll draw a veil over that for now....dammitt
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 03:12 am
the prince wrote:
Why is it called Indian Summer ?


You could also see:

A Special Weather Regime

Indian Summer is not, however, a strictly defined meteorological entity and is much an emotional event as a scientific one. Sample the population in North America for a definition, and you will likely get a plethora of thoughts about what constitutes Indian Summer.

Origins of the Term

The origin of the term Indian Summer to describe this weather regime is uncertain. One explanation suggests that Native Americans recognized the pattern, which they attributed to the good graces of the god of the Southwest. When the Eastern tribes described it to the first European settlers of what is now the United States, the event became known as the Indian's Summer. Another explanation attributes the name to the belief that the haziness of Indian Summer days was caused by prairie fires deliberately set by midwestern tribes.

A more remote origin to the name links it with the marine shipping trade in the Indian Ocean. During the predominately fair weather season, ships would carry extra cargoes. To determine safe load limits, the mariners marked their hulls with the initials I.S. for Indian Summer to indicate the safe loading line for this period. How this term relates to autumn weather on the other side of the globe, however, is uncertain and likely only the coincidental joining of the two words into a similar phrase
Studies of American journals, diaries and papers by Albert Matthews (in an exhaustive study of the historical usage of the term written in 1902) indicate the term Indian Summer appears to have gained popular usage around the 1770s. Its earliest written reference, according to Matthews, appears in the writings of Frenchman St. John de Crevcouer. In a letter dated 17 January 1778, he writes:

"Sometimes the rain is followed by an interval of calm and warmth which is called the Indian Summer; its characteristics are a tranquil atmosphere and general smokiness. Up to this epoch the approaches of winter are doubtful; it arrives about the middle of November, although snows and brief freezes often occur long before that date."

Since de Crevcouer states it is "called the Indian Summer," he implies that the term was already in popular usage when he penned these words.
Nearly a century later, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow adapted an Ononodaga tribe story on the weather regime into his classic 1855 poem Hiawatha:

"From his pipe the smoke ascending
Filled the sky with haze and vapor,
Filled the air with dreamy softness,
Gave a twinkle to the water,
Touched the rugged hills with smoothness,
Brought the tender Indian Summer
To the melancholy north-land,
In the dreary Moon of Snow-shoes."


Indian Summer received a further push into American lore when the Chicago Tribune printed an editorial cartoon and essay by John T. McCutcheon on September 30, 1907. Injun Summer became a classic and was re-issued annually until 1992 when it appeared for the last time. According to Tribune chroniclers, although the drawing itself is timeless, the text, written in the vernacular and with the prejudices of the time, is now seen as offensive to Native Americans and has been withdrawn from use.

Injun Summer (for the images, see http://mariah.stonemarche.org/poetry/injunsummer.htm) had two scenes. The top one showed an old man and a young boy looking at fields of harvested corn on an autumn day. The spent corn stalks were tied at the tops in bundles to make rows of corn shocks in the barren fields. The man relates a story to the boy about they days when the Indians inhabited that land. To celebrate the bounty of the season, they danced in the moonlight among their tipis. The second panel showed a night scene imagined by the boy and old man where the corn shocks transform into tipis and the Indians appear as ghostly dancers in the smoky atmosphere.
The cartoon struck a responsive chord among many Americans and became one of the icons for Indian Summer for many years. Perhaps it will resurface again, minus the offensive text, as many, including myself, remember it fondly from our youth. (I actually did not remember that it had text until I was researching for this piece.)

Similar weather singularities to the American Indian Summer are know in Europe and take on a variety of names such as Old Wife's Summer and Second Summer. In Poland, the period is called God's Gift to Poland, while the English call it All Hallow Summer or the Summer of the saint whose day falls closest to the autumnal period when the Indian Summer weather occurs. Central Europeans often refer to similar weather conditions as the "halcyon days," harking back to Greek mythology.
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Mathos
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 06:23 am
Christ the bloody thread is breeding Spendi-ites now!


Oh the circle won't be broken!
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smorgs
 
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Reply Tue 17 Oct, 2006 06:36 am
muckT wrote:

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I must come over to the Jobcentre one of these days and bum a coffee off you.


Oh, you must MuckT!

I'd even let you use the loo - as you are not known as a potential terrorist threat. I could treat you to a behind the scenes tour of the Jobcentre!

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