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There are differences in the male/female brain. They propose it might have something to do with males anticipating the movements of animals as they chased after them. [round here they still do]

males have better spacial awareness, females better perceptive skills...so I was told ....actually talking complete bollocks again after good bottle of wine....and depressingly its 2 :0

A disgustingly atrocious performance.

The Scots huffed and puffed, scrapped and scrambled, rode their luck for a good while but were ultimately outclassed.

And the referee was stupid. The only way to play Schevchenko is to kick him up in the air. Didn't he realise that?

WALES ARE DOING WELL!! 2-0 up against Cyprus at half time!


England on the other hand, were pathetic. The sooner they realise that the tired old tactic of lumping the ball up the pitch and chasing it is ineffective, the better.

One day they might have the courage to start Walcott. THEN you'll see some fireworks!
I've been saying for ages that Theo is an English Tierry Henry. Just give him a chance and he'll put Rooney in the shade.

Well, just noticed that's soccer day!

What do you expect? A nation which embraces feminism and PC and sells off school playing fields because some delicate lady teachers say that sport sends the wrong message to young men cannot hope to compete with countries where such things are laughed at.

English sport is on the skids. Anyone who supports feminism (Lady TV and newspaper fanatics) must welcome tonight's result and what it augurs for the future.

What is required is the promotion of feminism and PC in these newly emergent countries of the East. Turn them all into Nancies and then you will have a level playing field like they have in the US.

If you have a match somebody has to win at some point. It proves nothing.

Those women have even tried to outlaw spitting on the pitch in their total ignorance of how much spit is generated by playing these types of games.

Croatia has 4.5 million people for goodness sake and they have just emerged from civil war and they were superior in every position on the pitch. Take away black and foreign players from the Premiership and what's left?

PS. It's obvious what killed Fred Elliot- meat eating.

Thanks heaven that we can watch football (even, if it's against the Faroer Islands - 2:0 for France until now).

What do you expect? A nation which embraces feminism and PC and sells off school playing fields because some delicate lady teachers say that sport sends the wrong message to young men cannot hope to compete with countries where such things are laughed at.

English sport is on the skids. Anyone who supports feminism (Lady TV and newspaper fanatics) must welcome tonight's result and what it augurs for the future.

What is required is the promotion of feminism and PC in these newly emergent countries of the East. Turn them all into Nancies and then you will have a level playing field like they have in the US.

If you have a match somebody has to win at some point. It proves nothing.

Those women have even tried to outlaw spitting on the pitch in their total ignorance of how much spit is generated by playing these types of games.

Croatia has 4.5 million people for goodness sake and they have just emerged from civil war and they were superior in every position on the pitch. Take away black and foreign players from the Premiership and what's left?

And Cyprus is smaller than Sheffied and divided into two.

PS. It's obvious what killed Fred Elliot- meat eating.

What a load of utter crap!

So by criticising feminism and PC and "black and foreign" players, are you declaring yourself to be a misogynist, bigot and racist, all disguised as concern for the "national sport"? If you didn't realise that's how it read, perhaps some lessons on communication would be advisable.

Posting it twice didn't make it any more true.

The root cause is nothing to do with feminism but much more to do with the incompetents at the FA who run the national football team as if it were a local charity.

Spendi tries to pull people's chains, and sometimes gets a result.

Still, does no harm to rear up at him from time to time.

Morning, Spendi, hope you're feeling better today.

kitchenpete wrote-



Yeah -well--we can all speak like that.

I don't think I creiticised anything. All I said was that if you have X you get Y. I didn't criticise feminism or PC or black and foreign players. Nothing like. Just like you get high divorce and abortion rates and other things with a feminist agenda. Simply a cause and effect.

I was criticising the ridiculous situation where people who support an anti-sport policy then expect it to have no effect. They have two sets of views. One when their jingoism comes to the fore watching the football and when their PC/feminism comes to the fore at other times.

Perhaps some comprehension skills are needed kp.

I didn't post it twice either. There have been some technical problems I gather.

The FA can only work with what they have got but I realise that calling them "incompetents" precludes the necessity to think and neatly shifts the responsibility onto an easy target.

The business end of the Premiership is run by foreign managers. Chelsea, Manchester Utd, Arsenal, Tottenham, Liverpool and the national side have had a Swedish manager for years.

A primary school up the road from me had an under-12s football match every Sunday and odd evenings in the summer five years ago. Not now.
They have a "wildflower garden" now sponsored by money from the Alan Tichmarsh foundation. (He's a TV garden salesman on a grand scale). And the wildflowers are cultivated in nice rows so the kids know what wildflowers are.
I have been a member of a sporting club for cricket and football for years. It closed down recently.

Supporters of PC/feminism should face up to the effects of their ideas.

Mac- I wasn't pulling chains. I was telling it as it is. Saying I was pulling chains is nothing but a convenient assertion to get you off the hook. Make it easy for you so to speak.

Where have I criticised PC/feminism? For all I know they are the best way forward. Just don't expect sporting prowess if you choose that route.

Sport starts at the school and in local teams. Wreck those and the result is inevitable.

Shoot the messenger eh? Sheesh!

OK - to conflate the activities of PC/feminism with a "decline" in sporting prowess is bound to be taken as a criticism.

I believe in the principles of equality of opportunity and do not feel that this should necessarily translate into a less sporty enviornment.

I do not have any problem supporting a predominantly foreign team: Arsenal, as it is still the focus of a passion among Londoners (and others) who unite around a cause quite separate from nationality. I support Arsenal much more strongly than I support the England football team, not least of which is that Arsenal play better football!

A far more persuasive argument regarding English players is that they are so over-hyped and molly-coddled by their agents, the press etc. that they think themselves to be gods - far more so, it seems, than other international players.

KP

Have I missed something? Why didnt he play David Beckham?

He's a nice flower in hair sarong wearing role model of a footballer for any young lad wouldnt you agree spendy?

and he doesn't spit nearly as much as some of the other players.

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Steve-

I consider Beckham to be a one off.

His form has dipped which is probably why he doesn't spit so much. No doubt the personal spats are a factor. I should imagine that Posh is enough to bring even the best to their knees. A bit like that Princess we had.

DP, never having run hard in cold air wouldn't know about spitting, which is why she is so eminently qualified to comment about it. That's an aspect of the problem. What does a ladies' hairdresser know about football? She probably likes Beckham because he promotes hair-does for men and thereby doubles the number of potential customers. Once media goes feminist, which it has for obvious commercial reasons, the rest follows automatically.

A woman journalist on the front page of the Daily Telegraph once wrote that the Tour de France riders had "spindly legs". Possibly the most powerful male legs on earth denigrated with a simple phrase just for a contemptuous laugh. And footballer's necessary spitting is a problem because it looks indecorous.

The football and cricket club I mentioned earlier had a men only room and a posh lounge for mixed occasions. They received a large lottery grant on condition women were allowed into that bar. The committee caved in and the grant was used to build netball courts. And now the whole place is in ruination. The lottery it seems to me is using its money to push a feminist agenda. It succeeded in having women being allowed into the Long Room at Lord's using £5 million of your money. A working men's sporting club in Manchester told the lottery to shove its grants up its arse and is still going strong.

You've been had suckers and all you can do is blame the lads and the FA.

Better switch to netball eh. That's really exciting. You should see the red thighs and the language is a disgrace and the car park is full when their daddies bring them and call to collect them afterwards to make sure nothing untoward happens to them. And the ref blows her whistle every five seconds which is catching on elsewhere. And they control the keys to the bowling green as well which has led to some fine indignation orgies.

I don't mind either way. It's good fun. But put the sodding blame where it lies. Not on the lads. They are in the grip of an anti-sport mentality. They can't even get a secretary (willing) across the office desk without all hell breaking loose due to media's desire to cater for a mad obsession with matters pertaining.

Did you see that our soldiers are getting an extra £10 a week recuperating from injuries in Iraq and Afghanistan and some woman got a million because she was said to have been bullied at work in a nice office. She probably provoked it on purpose.

We all thought that Fred Elliot would have been better carking it after the ceremony but before the consumation. Anybody got a theory why the scriptwriters chose what they did? They did have a choice.

Who is Fred Elliot. And define the verb cark. Please.

To cark it- To pass away. To snuff it. To pop one's clogs.

e.g. "When you cark it Dad will all this be mine?" The Earl and the Can-Can Dancer by Barbara Cartland.

No wonder you are not up to speed Steve if you don't keep at least half an eye on scriptwriters who pander to 17 million viewers and who manufacture "stars" out of raw clay and viewer's psychological quirks who then go on to be pillars of the establishment.

I suppose you might have missed Footballer's Wives then? All the basic principles were laid out in that. That might be why it's been canned.

suspendy, sweetie,




Rubbish! He's not a one off! he is typical of contemporary footballers and they have been that way since the very first perm. Good job there were the likes of DottyP around to help them get in touch with their feminine side. :wink:



I don't care much for Posh, nor Di, in fact I took the dog for a walk the day of the funeral, just to avoid the mass hysteria. His form is bound to dip - age, fatherhood, other projects, silicone seepage from posh's fake boobies (allegedly) will all contribute to this. That's the way of the world, and the world of spot - things change. Your post is but a clarion call for the world (your world) to remain static. I have noted your comments and views on sexual harassment in the workplace - as a woman with a long working history in various jobs from cleaner to management and a couple of stints trade union repping, I have firm views on this and would welcome a hearty debate with your good self regarding this contentious issue. My views may surprise you! Always assuming you are interested in what I think, I would take no offence should you consider not.



I'm assuming you are just taking the piss with this one? 'An aspect of the problem' sounds like you are saying 'only those who know, may speak'. The A2K forum is hardly a place to say such a thing. I assume DP would be the first to say she is no footy pundit, but she is entitled to say what she likes regardless of her gender. The problem I have with that paragraph of hairy bollocks is the MASSIVE assumptions you make about her - 'never having run hard in cold air'??? It's been many a year, spenders, since girls were expected to sit doing needlepoint, straight backed, strapped into corsets, only leaving their Fathers home for marriage and any exertions avoided, so as not to bring on an attack of the vapours. Of course I'm talking about about the class aspect to feminism as well, this is another reason (and a whole other debate) why I take issue with the implied in that paragraph. DP has her education, she has made her choice of profession, she works and makes her way in the world on an equal footing. She has no massive law suite pending for sexual harassment. Why? because those woman who went before, who threw themselves under horses, endured forcefeeding and torture and were brave enough to bring the law suits, that has brought about change and progression.



Probably said in jest - oooh horror! A funny woman!

Spitting has always taken place on the football field, I personally have no issues with it, mainly due to the fact that I only watch the world cup! I'm assuming that the reason why it is an issue is due to the 'role model' element - mainly to young boys. I had a recent conversation with someone about attending live matches - he said he hears the worst language, racist chanting, fighting and songs about the wives and girlfriends of the players (sexual). Not something I would want for my son. Thuggery is passed on through the generations.



Blimey!!! We can't have any blame or responsibility placed on the lads and the F.A. can we?



Blimey!!! Sport for girls!!! Extra netball facilities??? What ever will they think of next? Doing away with the dowry system? Equal pay?

Whilst picking my granddaughter up from her soccer skills club (she got a certificate - she was very proud). I noticed all the boys walked home in grubby pants, grazed knees, flicking conkers at each other whilst day-dreaming about when they will be old enough to join the army.



No, not all 'The lads' surely...
But some, yes...

Smorgiechops, in my estimation you just go up and up.

I like to raise a gentleman's estimation...

(have I just gone down again?)

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