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Seekin' that Ol' 911 Truth

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:27 pm
First two simple questions:

Q1: On September 11 2001, how many buildings collapsed in New York City?

A: Two? No, THREE. The Twin Towers were hit by aeroplanes, but WTC 7, a massive 47 storey steel-framed skyscraper also collapsed. It was NOT hit by a plane. The evidence is clear - this was a controlled demolition. http://wtc7.net/ http://911physics.co.nr/ (Click on WTC 7 link)

Q2: How long did it take the FBI to bring charges against Usama bin Laden in connection with 911? One hour, eight hours, a day, a week?

A: Usama bin Laden is NOT on the FBI most wanted list in connection with 911. Why not? According to FBI spokesman, Chief of Investigative Publicity Rex Tomb, 'The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Usama Bin Laden to 9/11.' http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=4673 http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm (accessed 20 August 2006)

If you believe 911 was an inside job, YOU ARE NOT ALONE. Below are just a small selection amongst the millions of credible persons including engineers, scientists, intelligence analysts, actors, theologians, philosophers, authors, investigative journalists, lawyers, military personel, politicians, family members and eye-witnesses who believe the investigation into the events of September 11 2001 must urgently be reopened.

Seekin' that ol' 911 Truth August 2006

On July 29 and 30, and then again on August 1, something happened that increasing numbers of people believe is of great importance. On these dates C-SPAN rebroadcast a 911 panel discussion, held originally in late June, sponsored by an organization called the American Scholars - Symposium to discuss what really happened on September 11, 2001. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/c-span_firestorm_911_truth_gains_momentum.htm http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=APS&ShowVidNum=10&
Rot_Cat_CD=APS&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=100&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=100

Held in Los Angeles, the meeting lasted two days, and the C-SPAN rebroadcast covered one almost two-hour wrap-up session. The meeting was attended by 1,200 people interested in hearing something other than the official story of 9/11. The TV audience was evidently large enough to spur C-SPAN to broadcast the panel discussion five separate times in four days.

Even a month late, this is a lot of airtime for stories that many people call conspiracy theories!

The seekers after 911 truth have been around for almost 5 years now, and they're NOT GOING AWAY - they're growing day by day!

In April Charlie Sheen made national news (CNN Showbiz Tonight 7pm) three nights in a row, with coverage continuing every day the following week. http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/fourth-night-of-showbiz-tonights-sheen.html http://prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/280606juggernautoftruth.htm

What newsworthy event prompted such coverage? Mr. Sheen announced that he thinks the government has been covering up the truth about 9/11. Charlie thinks 9/11 was an inside job! http://9eleven.info/ http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20060323162638376

Two of Sheen's fellow actors, Ed Asner and Ed Begley, Jr, agree with him. http://www.911blimp.net/videos/EdAsner-UnityIsTheKey.mov http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7140359934129245752&q=Ed+Begley+911

And so does movie director Aaron Russo. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2947267143366647266&hl=en

Maybe you don't care what they think, they're just actors. Perhaps you want the opinion of scientists. Well, how about an expert like Steven E Jones, professor of physics at BYU? Professor Jones has found forensic evidence of thermate, an explosive, being used to cut through key support pillars in the WTC buildings. http://www.9eleven.info/911JonesPaperhtm7.htm http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=4688 http://www.question911.com/linkout.php?filename=Steven%20Jones%20Shows%20WTC%20Demolition%20Evidence.wmv

Or perhaps MIT Engineer Jeff King who also believes the WTC were brought down by a controlled demolition. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&pl=true http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=related&search_query=
News+WTC+911+Conspiracy+Flight+77&search_sort=relevance&search_category=0&page=2

What about a mathematician? Professor of mathematics, University of Western Ontario, and founder of the Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven (SPINE), A.K Dewdney. http://www.serendipity.li/wot/operation_pearl.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._K._Dewdney

Maybe they're too theoretical for you. You want someone from the applied sciences. May I suggest Clemson mechanical engineering professor Judy Wood? http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/mechanical-engineering-professor-from.html http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/BilliardBalls.html

Or how about Kevin Ryan, former department head at UL (Underwriter Laboratories), the company which certified the steel which went into the WTCs upon their construction, and inspected it after the WTC collapses in 2001. He found the official reports to be full of lies and contradictions. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041112144051451 http://www.snowshoefilms.com/

Maybe you don't care for 'eggheads'. http://www.st911.org/ http://physics911.net/spine.htm http://911physics.co.nr/

You want to hear from true patriots, military men, like former head of Star Wars and air force colonel, Bob Bowman, who says the 'official story of 911 is a bunch of hogwash and impossible'. http://benfrank.net/blog/2005/10/27/oil_mafia_treason/ http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/march2006/030306Evidence.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6900065571556128674 http://bowman2006.com/

Or USAF Col. (Ret) George Nelson, an authority on aircraft crash investigation. http://www.physics911.net/georgenelson.htm

Or former chief Pentagon arms negotiator for the Middle East, USAF Col. (Ret) Don de Grand-Pre http://www.prisonplanet.com/022904degrand.html

Or how about military men from other countries who are also skeptics of the 'official' story of 911? Here's a few:

Canadian National Defense Minister, the Honourable Paul Hellyer http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/movies/Hellyer.mov

National Minister of Defense (Germany). Also, served as Minister of Technology Andreas Von Bulow. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825

Former Chief of Staff of the Russian armed forces, and chief of the department for General affairs in the Soviet Union 's ministry of Defense, General Leonid Ivashov http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20060123&articleId=1788

Maybe military types scare you. How about a lady of letters like poet Erica Jong? http://www.etruscanpress.org/02_september_11_2001.html

Maybe you're not into poetry. Prose is more your style. How about Webster Tarpley author of 9/11 Synthetic Terror made in USA? http://www.tarpley.net/welcome.html

Or authors Gore Vidal, Bill Douglas or Christopher Bollyn? http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article13969.htm http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/EnemyWithin.html http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bollynbeaten.htm

Or if you prefer your message in song, what about putting some of the hard questions to music? Les Visible: 9/11 Was An Inside Job (music) http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=97737

Maybe you don't trust actors, authors, musicians or poets. You want to hear from a man of God. How about David Ray Griffin theologian, professor emeritus at the Claremont School of Theology? http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

The respected Presbyterian Press has recently published his book Christian Faith and the Truth behind 9/11 https://www.ppcbooks.com/index1.asp

Not just into Christianity? What about MUJCA-NET, a group of scholars, religious leaders and activists dedicated to uniting members of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faiths in pursuit of 9/11 truth. http://mujca.com/

How about philosophers? What about distinguished McKnight professor of philosophy, Jim Fetzer. http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/BigLies23Apr2006.html

Or Dr. Jim Hoffman? http://911research.wtc7.net/

What could theologians and philosophers know about national security? You want to hear from insiders to the covert world. How about CIA analyst and former presidential adviser Ray McGovern, an expert on National Security who's career spanned JFK to GHW Bush. http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2006/01/interview_with_ray_mcgovern.html

Or Bill Christison, a former senior official of the CIA. He was a National Intelligence Officer and the Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis before his retirement in 1979. http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug06/Christison14.htm

Or how about David Shayler, the MI5 Whistleblower? http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974

Or former cop Michael C. Ruppert? http://www.fromthewilderness.com/store/books.shtml#ruby

Or former 9/11 Commission Member and democrat senator, Max Cleland, who blasts Bush and claims "The White House Has Played Cover-Up". http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/23/1546256

Other members of the 9/11 Commission panel also believe that authorities sought to mislead the commission and the public about what happened on Sept. 11.

"I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described," John Farmer, a former New Jersey attorney general who led the staff inquiry into events on Sept. 11, said in a recent interview. "The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. . . . This is not spin. This is not true." http://unsungwar.com/

Or what about Republican Thomas Kean and Democrat Lee Hamilton, the two chairmen of the official government 9/11 Commission Report? In their book, 'Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission.' Kean and Hamilton reveal that the US military committed perjury and lied about its failure to intercept the hijacked airliners.

"It proved difficult, if not impossible, to raise hard questions about 9/11 in New York without it being perceived as criticism of the individual police and firefighters or of Mayor Giuliani," Kean and Hamilton said.

The commission even debated referring the military's lies to the Justice Department for criminal investigation.

Why should we assume that these admissions are the only coverups and lies in the 9/11 Commission Report? http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=117589 http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14531.htm

Or Cynthia McKinney, a five-term U.S. Congresswoman from Georgia's fourth district from 1993 to 2003, or Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing under President George Bush Sr. and a former managing director and board member of Dillon, Read & Co. Inc. http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041101130426916

Or Michael Meacher MP former UK Minister for the environment who says "The war on terror is bogus", or Andreas Von Bulow, former German Secretary Of Defense, who says "The official [9/11] story is so inadequate and far fetched that there must be a different one." http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825

Or Sibel Edmonds, a 32-year-old Turkish-American, who was hired as a translator by the FBI shortly after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001 because of her knowledge of Middle Eastern languages. She was fired less than a year later in March 2002 for reporting shoddy work and security breaches to her supervisors that could have prevented those attacks. http://www.justacitizen.com/

Or Daniel Ellsburg, famous Vietnam 'Pentagon Papers' whistleblower and former American military analyst and Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense (ISA), DOD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg http://www.911blogger.com/2006/07/daniel-ellsberg-comes-out-for-911.html

Or how about the FBI? Did you know that the reason Usama bin Laden isn't on their most wanted list in connection to 9/11 is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting him to the crimes? http://www.911blogger.com/2006/06/fbi-states-no-hard-evidence-connects.html

What about another country's government, such as the Venezuelan government under Hugo Chavez, supported by billionaire philanthropist Jimmy Walter and WTC survivor William Rodriguez, which is set to launch an international investigation into 9/11? http://www.iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/83785

Maybe they're all too far left for you! You want to hear from a Republican. How about Paul Craig Roberts assistant secretary of the U.S. Treasury under Ronald Reagan? http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/28070 http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2006/02/post.html http://www.wanttoknow.info/050908insidejob911#roberts http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14531.htm

OK, he's a Republican, but that was back in the Reagan days. So how about Ron Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas? http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul200.html http://www.house.gov/paul/ http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Ron_Paul
#Congressman_Ron_Paul_Admits_Conspiracy_to_Create_World_Government

Maybe you need to hear from someone in GW's administration. How about Morgan Reynolds professor emeritus at Texas A&M University and chief economist for the US Department of Labor during Bush's first term? He believes the events of 9/11 were a staged event, orchestrated by people within the Bush government. http://www.lewrockwell.com/reynolds/reynolds12.html

Since the attacks of 911 were obviously a crime, maybe you want to hear from trained legal minds. People whose job it is to carefully investigate the details of a crime and reach a well considered conclusion.

Well, how about attorney Philip Berg? Berg, who has filed a lawsuit against the Bush admin on behalf of WTC survivor William Rodriguez says "They (Bush et al) made it happen or let it happen. And if they let it happen, then they made it happen. And they must be held responsible." http://www.911forthetruth.com/

Or attorney Stanley Hilton? http://www.suetheterrorists.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Hilton

Or Bill Veale, with 30 years of legal experience. After much research he has come to the conclusion that the attacks of 9/11 were in essence an inside job perpetrated at the highest levels of the U.S. government. http://www.vealetruth.com/?page_id=6

Maybe none of the above does it for you. You want to hear from "eye-witnesses" - people who were there on the scene on that fateful day. May I suggest you listen to the firefighters who were in the building at the time? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1822764959599063248&pl=true

What about first responder, NY Fireman Lou Cacchioli who says the 9/11 Commission twisted his words. "I finally walked out. They were trying to twist my words and make the story fit only what they wanted to hear. All I wanted to do was tell the truth and when they wouldn't let me do that, I walked out.

'It was a disgrace to everyone, the victims and the family members who lost loved ones. I don't agree with the 9/11 Commission. The whole experience was terrible', Fireman Lou says. http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/200705twistedwords.htm

Or perhaps to news reporters who were on the scene who repeatedly described hearing "explosions"? http://tinyurl.com/bzg64 (you need to fast forward a little...) http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html

Or how about WTC survivor William Rodriguez, a janitor who worked at the WTC for about 19 years, and was decorated as a 911 hero by Bush. He testifies that he heard and felt explosions in the basement of the North Tower BEFORE the planes hit overhead. William asks: 'How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man's arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?' It's a good question! http://williamrodriguezwtc.blogspot.com/ http://www.911forthetruth.com/

What about the families who lost loved ones on 911? http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=endorsements

Lorie Van Auken, Mindy Kleinberg, Patty Casazza and Monica Gabrielle of New Jersey lost their husbands Kenneth, Alan, Richard and John who all worked in the WTC. Sally Regenhard lost her firefighter son Christian, and Bob McIlvaine lost his son Bobby.

None of these people are satisfied with the official story of what happened on 9/11. Will you listen to their questions? http://www.911pressfortruth.com/families

Well, if you don't believe any of them, why not listen to the OWNER of the WTC, Larry Silverstein, who admits on Public Broadcast Television that explosives were used to demolish WTC building #7?!

Yes, Silverstein, who had conveniently insured these buildings (which had been ordered to be dismantled due to safety hazards) for billions of dollars just weeks before 911, said on public television:

"(The Fire Department) were not sure that they were gonna be able to contain the fire. I said, you know, we´ve had such terrible loss of life. Maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it. They made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse"

In the demolition industry, 'pull' is the common term they use for demolishing buildings with carefully positioned explosives, an operation that can take seasoned professionals weeks to plan. http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/rosebud/wtc_7_archivel.htm http://www.letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html http://www.wtc7.net/ http://911physics.co.nr/ (Click on WTC 7 link)

So even the building owner admits that explosives were used to demolish at least one of the three WTC buildings!

And if planning to demolish WTC 7 had been carefully prepared for weeks, why not the other two?

Maybe you don't want to listen to any of these individuals, but the fact is, a lot of Americans agree with them. Like the 83% of over 50,000 CNN Showbiz Tonight online poll respondents who think the government is covering up the truth of 9/11. http://www.911blogger.com/2006/03/fourth-night-of-showbiz-tonights-sheen.html

Or a Scripps Howard News Service/Ohio University poll taken from July 6 to 24, 2006, concluded that 'more than a third [36 percent] of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them, so that the United States could go to war in the Middle East.' A poll done by the Zogby polling organization two months earlier, between May 12 and 16, 2006, concluded that 42 percent of Americans believed there had indeed been a cover-up of the true events of 9/11, and an additional 10 percent of Americans were 'unsure.' http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug06/Christison14.htm

Maybe you don't care what the American people think?

Yea, we know.

[Ref. http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=11205 ]

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WHAT POSSIBLE MOTIVES COULD THERE BE FOR A 9/11 INSIDE JOB??

These are some of the plutocracy's 'foreign policy' and other lesser goals that 9/11 (the "new Pearl Harbor") has helped them to pursue:

* to get the American people's support for an endless bogus "war on terror" which will ensure continued gargantuan military budgets. This will continue to enrich and empower the plutocracy and the military/industrial complex. http://www.addictedtowar.com/

* the WTC buildings needed massive repairs - or to be demolished altogether - which would have caused a financial loss to the owners. But instead the owner (the Silverstein group), who had conveniently insured the WTC complex against terrorism only weeks before, got paid out billions in insurance, allowing them to not only rebuild, but make a hefty profit also http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/08/16/18297965.php

* insider trading - there were 'put options' placed on airline stocks (a sort of bet that the stock will go down) days before the attacks which made someone millions of dollars

* to help James Baker negotiate massive repatriations from Iraq to Kuwait, making the Bush family/Carlysle Group billions in the process.

* it has been suggested there was a massive amount of gold bullion in the basement beneath the WTC that was looted on 9/11 (unconfirmed).

* the removal of Saddam Hussein

* the removal of the Taliban

* a possible war on Iran?

* to help further the goals of Israel

* the establishment of permanent military bases in the oil rich Middle East

* to keep the price of oil artificially high, so as to ensure continued massive profits for the OPEC countries/oil companies. http://www.gregpalast.com/big-oil-and-the-trillion-dollar-war-bonus http://www.gregpalast.com/the-best-thing-in-the-world-for-big-oil

* the spread of "globalisation" and "corporatism" (i.e. big business and money) e.g. massive contracts for Halliburton and other crony firms with ties to Washington, control of the production and price of oil http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

* 'a means to install a unipolar world with a sole world headquarters, a pretext to erase national borders and to establish the rule of a new world elite' and

* 'is a phenomenon that combines the use of terror by state and non-state political structures as a means to attain their political objectives through people's intimidation, psychological and social destabilization, the elimination of resistance from power organizations and the creation of appropriate conditions for the manipulation of the countries 'policies and the behavior of people.' http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=NIM20060123&articleId=1788

* arguably to reassert their control of the opium trade (if this sounds crazy, then remember, Britain had opium wars with China in the 19th Century to keep control of this lucrative trade, so this is nothing new). btw, Afghanistan is the world's leading producer of opium. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060816/ap_on_re_as/afghan_opium_boom

* to establish a precedent for the role of "pre-emptive" war in their efforts to shape the world according to their belief systems (this will make their next "pre-emptive" war easier to push through).

* to shake the "Vietnam Syndrome" and get the American people accustomed to the deaths of thousands of their sons (about 2,800 so far plus tens of thousands more maimed or injured) in order to serve the goals of the plutocracy

* the spread of "democracy" (TM) and "freedom" (TM) across the Middle East

( For example, I believe Hitler was sincere in his desire to establish a "glorious thousand year Reich". Likewise, the ideologues in Washington also have certain belief systems about how the world should be, and are more than willing to use violence and military force to achieve their aims.

This isn't conspiracy theory, btw. Just look at the "shock & awe" campaign which murdered and maimed tens of thousands of innocent people in Baghdad, or you can read their own words here: http://www.newamericancentury.org/ Read through their visions for the world, and see how many you agree with.)

* to pass legislation that removes the rights of dissenters who object to these goals (e.g. the PATRIOT Act, 'anti-terrorism' laws, government domestic surveillance etc.)

So there are plenty of motives for a 9/11 inside job!

SO WHAT CAN YOU DO?

Even if you are still skeptical, but think there are too many questions about the events of September 11 2001 that need answers, here are a few suggestions:

Ask Oprah to host a three-part special that investigates 9/11 http://oprah.bravocharlie911.com/

Sign the petition to release the 9/11 information that is currently being held by the U.S. government to an independent review: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172

Get informed and share these links to several 9/11 investigative documentaries with your friends:

Loose Change Second Edition Not perfect, but well researched and very thought provoking. http://unsungwar.com/ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6272212643859761010&q=Loose+Change+editionb http://www.loosechange911.com

911: In Plane Site Hard-hitting investigative journalism. http://unsungwar.com/

911 Press for the Truth The families of 911 victims speak out and question the official story of 911. http://www.911pressfortruth.com/

Rise Short and sweet - to the point! http://unsungwar.com/videos/Rise.swf

9/11 Revisited This film provides stunning evidence that pre-planted explosives were used in the complete demolition of the WTC twin towers and WTC 7. http://911revisited.infad.net/video.html

9/11 Eyewitness A rigorous scientific analysis of the destruction of the WTC towers. http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/911Eyewitness.php

Here is an archive of a large selection of thought provoking documentaries you may like to check out. http://www.question911.com/links.php http://www.universalseed.org/

"The most powerful weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." Don't give them yours! http://www.snowshoefilms.com/

Perspective 9-11 This research will give you an insight into the story behind the 9-11 attacks. http://tinyurl.com/layem

American Scholars' Symposium Scholarly panel which met in Los Angeles for two days to discuss what really happened on September 11, 2001. The consensus: no doubt, it was an inside job. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/c-span_firestorm_911_truth_gains_momentum.htm http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Series&Code=APS&ShowVidNum=
10&Rot_Cat_CD=APS&Rot_HT=206&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=100&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=100

Everybody's Gotta Learn Some Time Compelling film outlining many disturbing and heavily censored facts associated with the worst terrorist attacks in American history. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8372366181300641663

David Shayler - ex-MI5 whistleblower David Shayler introduces 911 Truth Bristol's 'Face the Facts' and explains why 911 is of vital importance today. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5403286136814574974 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2953150409490347185

Unitarian pastor Davidson Loehr explains the PNAC drive to reshape a new world order and the connection to the attacks of 9/11. http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/170806_austin_pastor.html

Pentagon Strike** What hit the Pentagon? http://unsungwar.com/videos/pentagonstrike.swf

9/11 Special: Dutch Television Documentary (20 minutes) Two senior government ministers express grave doubts about the official 9/11 stories and the so-called "war on terror". http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11222.htm http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8274552561914055825

Discover the Truth about the Events surrounding 9-11-01 via Video Presentations from some of the top Scholars, Researchers, and Analysts from the International Community. http://911busters.com/

TerrorStorm (Alex Jones) Alex Jones' latest film covers in detail the proven history of government sponsored terrorism, and focuses on the 7/7 London bombings and 9/11. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947 http://www.lastingnetworks.com/alex/

911: The Greatest Lie Ever Sold by Anthony Hilder Sometimes quite opinionated, a bit long, but some valuable information never-the-less. Worth watching. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6952102263921897950&hl=en

911 Guilt: The Proof is in Your Hands A Video Exposing the Core Facts of the September 11th Attack http://wtc7.net/store/videos/proof/index.html

Watch David Ray Griffin, professor of theology, and other speakers who speak candidly and lucidly about the events of 911. http://911busters.com/911_new_video_productions/index.html

. . .

And finally, if you still think it's all bunkum and you can debunk the 9/11 "tin-foil hat" conspiracy brigade, then take the million dollar challenge! I'm sure you could use a spare million bucks?

http://www.reopen911.org/Contest.htm

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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:31 pm
Is there a central repository that you guys keep copying and pasting this stuff from?
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Zippo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:51 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Is there a central repository that you guys keep copying and pasting this stuff from?


How dare you insult my intelligence by calling it a 'cut & paste' job. Sad

I've gathered all the best material/websites from the internet. Why don't you try to debunk it ? Smile

Start with my first two simple questions.
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old europe
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:52 pm
Zippo wrote:
my intelligence


Very Happy

That was funny!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:55 pm
Zippo wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Is there a central repository that you guys keep copying and pasting this stuff from?


How dare you insult my intelligence by calling it a 'cut & paste' job. Sad

I've gathered all the best material/websites from the internet. Why don't you try to debunk it ? Smile

Start with my first two simple questions.


Things like this lead me to believe it is cut and paste.

Now go play outside and leave the computer alone.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:57 pm
old europe wrote:
Zippo wrote:
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Very Happy

That was funny!


Hi there old europe, back again for more thrashing ? Smile

Remember WTC 7 ? Laughing
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farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 02:59 pm
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Start with my first two simple questions.
I would but youve already submitted the answers you wish to hear. Youre not interested in the truth
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Zippo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 03:02 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Zippo wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Is there a central repository that you guys keep copying and pasting this stuff from?


How dare you insult my intelligence by calling it a 'cut & paste' job. Sad

I've gathered all the best material/websites from the internet. Why don't you try to debunk it ? Smile

Start with my first two simple questions.


Things like this lead me to believe it is cut and paste.

Now go play outside and leave the computer alone.


I already know that WRH had printed my email on their site. [readers letters]. :wink:
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Zippo
 
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Reply Thu 24 Aug, 2006 03:23 pm
farmerman wrote:
Quote:
Start with my first two simple questions.
I would but you've already submitted the answers you wish to hear. You're not interested in the truth


I want you to debunk my answers, that's the whole point of this thread. duh!

Now comon, why are ALL these researchers wrong ?

Tell me what you think is the truth ?
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 10:31 am
bm

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Quote:
GOP candidate says 9/11 attacks were a hoax

By ALBERT McKEON, Telegraph Staff
[email protected]

Published: Thursday, Aug. 24, 2006
A Republican candidate for this area's congressional seat said Wednesday that the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

In an editorial board interview with The Telegraph on Wednesday, the candidate, Mary Maxwell, said the U.S. government had a role in killing nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq.

Maxwell, 59, seeks the 2nd District congressional seat. The Concord resident opposes the incumbent, Charles Bass of Peterborough, and Berlin Mayor Bob Danderson in the Republican primary Sept. 12.

Maxwell would not specify if she holds the opinion that the government stood by while terrorists hijacked four domestic airliners and used them as weapons, or if it had a larger role by sanctioning and carrying out the attacks.

But she implicated the government by saying the Sept. 11 attacks were meant 'to soften us up . . . to make us more willing to have more stringent laws here, which are totally against the Bill of Rights . . . to make us particularly focus on Arabs and Muslims . . . and those strange persons who spend all their time creating little bombs,' giving Americans a reason 'to hate them and fear them and, therefore, bomb them in Iraq for other reasons.'

She said this strategy 'would be normal' for governments, citing her belief that the British government ' and not the Germany military ' sank the Lusitania ocean liner in 1915. The deaths of Americans on the cruise liner helped galvanize U.S. support to enter World War I, and benefited England, she said.

In turn, the Sept. 11 attacks 'made the ground fertile' for more stringent laws, such as the Patriot Act, and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, Maxwell said.

Near the end of the interview, Maxwell pounded her fist on the table and asked editors of The Telegraph why they weren't publishing more stories about the government's role in the terrorist attacks or proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Maxwell has no political experience. She lived abroad for the past quarter-century with her husband, George, a pediatrician, and only recently returned to the U.S., she said.

In the hour-long interview, Maxwell spoke at length about Constitutional law, U.S. law, nuclear weapons proliferation, and other domestic and foreign policy issues.

Maxwell said the U.S. should withdraw from Iraq. She also questioned whether Congress authorized the war and said its members can't explain that 2002 vote. (Congress authorized the use of force to defend this country's security and enforce United Nations resolutions on Iraq.)

'Legally, we shouldn't have gone to Iraq if Congress can't explain why,' she said.

Maxwell described herself as a strict Constitutionalist, a candidate who wants to bring the country 'back to basics.' The Constitution grants more power to the legislative branch than the other two branches, but Congress has allowed the executive and judicial branches to diminish its influence, she said.

She also said the U.S. shouldn't immerse itself in the international community by signing trade and security pacts. These agreements have weakened national sovereignty, she said.

nashuatelegraph
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 11:32 am
If I actually take time to search and destroy the myths on your posts, I would be in possession of almost as little a life as you enjoy.

Now that Butts4Brains has joined, you shall have company to hunt and paste up new posts derivative of those already posted.

Im always alerted to URLs that produce written product in Crayon-sized script. Obviously youre wsily swayed. Wanna buy some do-it-yourself coal swamps?
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Brandon9000
 
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Reply Fri 25 Aug, 2006 11:54 am
Zippo wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Quote:
Start with my first two simple questions.
I would but you've already submitted the answers you wish to hear. You're not interested in the truth


I want you to debunk my answers, that's the whole point of this thread. duh!

Now comon, why are ALL these researchers wrong ?

Tell me what you think is the truth ?

One technique of arguing when you don't have a case is to list such an abundance of links, that no one not posting here 24 x 7 would ever waste the time to investigate all of them. When people quite reasonably decide that they don't want to spend the rest of their week on a response, you are then able to pretend that you've prevailed in the debate. Why don't you list a small, manageable number of assertions at a time, so that people not willing to spend all week on this can respond specifically to your arguments? And, just for laughs, why don't you list them in your own words, instead of someone else's?
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 02:29 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Zippo wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
Is there a central repository that you guys keep copying and pasting this stuff from?


How dare you insult my intelligence by calling it a 'cut & paste' job. Sad

I've gathered all the best material/websites from the internet. Why don't you try to debunk it ? Smile

Start with my first two simple questions.


Things like this lead me to believe it is cut and paste.

Now go play outside and leave the computer alone.



Well, at least we know that McGentirx reads something worthwhile once in a while! Hot Damn.... things are looking up!

Maybe those Repugs who screamed for several years, "It's not about an affair, it's about the lie", will finally grow a brain...... m a y b e ......... but I would still not hold my breath!

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Magginkat
 
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Reply Sun 27 Aug, 2006 02:33 pm
Brandon9000 wrote:
Zippo wrote:
farmerman wrote:
Quote:
Start with my first two simple questions.
I would but you've already submitted the answers you wish to hear. You're not interested in the truth


I want you to debunk my answers, that's the whole point of this thread. duh!

Now comon, why are ALL these researchers wrong ?

Tell me what you think is the truth ?

One technique of arguing when you don't have a case is to list such an abundance of links, that no one not posting here 24 x 7 would ever waste the time to investigate all of them. When people quite reasonably decide that they don't want to spend the rest of their week on a response, you are then able to pretend that you've prevailed in the debate. Why don't you list a small, manageable number of assertions at a time, so that people not willing to spend all week on this can respond specifically to your arguments? And, just for laughs, why don't you list them in your own words, instead of someone else's?



We learned from the masters of copy and paste..... flip and flop......

Next we may even work on lies and bald faced lies and Just because I said so!

Speaking of copy & paste, Brandon copies and pastes his own repetative answers day in and day out!
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 06:59 am
Irrelevant Maggs. Brandon has posted some very good stuff on science and subjects that make sense. The posts and URLs herein are written by angry people who enjoy writing in flaming letters nd punching out drivvle.

If you are so blind as to not even question this stuff, well, Im not going to take any time convincing you. Ill just sit here and laugh at you.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 12:56 pm
I have some friends who are conspiracy nuts.

They believe, for example, that on 9/11 some clown named Osama bin Laden picked up his cell phone in a cave in Afghanistan and directed 19 Muslims, none of them professional pilots, to hijack four airliners and fly them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, thereby bringing down three steel-skeleton skyscrapers, the only time in world history that has ever happened.

A humdinger of a conspiracy, that one. My conspiracy nut friends know it's true because they have it on good authority -- George Bush told them so. Laughing

These conspiracy nuts also believe Osama is part of some mysterious worldwide "terrorist" organization of "Islamic fascists" that hates us because of our freedoms and democracy, and have enough power to destroy us -- despite our thousands of nuclear warheads, ships, warplanes, tanks, and countless men under arms. A fearsome enemy, to be sure, as President Bush frequently tells us.

For once, I agree with George Bush; 9/11 was a conspiracy. We just disagree on who was involved in that conspiracy. That is, we MAY disagree -- if he really believes what he told us. In other words, whether or not he was in or out of the loop.

9/11 was an inside job. The facts are indisputable. There was no way that Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda could have pulled it off, or at least pulled it off without help.

Official story -- AKA Alternative Reality

Let's examine some of the absurdities that official government story on 9/11 would have us believe:

Nineteen hijackers were sent to the U.S., some of them taking flying lessons, apparently because Al Qaeda couldn't find any trained pilots. They didn't bother with aliases. One of them leaves his copy of the Koran at a bar, some of the others leave flight manuals in Arabic in parked cars.

They use undetected box cutters to overwhelm the crew and passengers of four different airliners and then engage in some miraculous precision flying to crash two of them into the WTC and one into the Pentagon. The fourth crashes into a field.

President Bush, meanwhile, is reading to some school kids when he is told about the hijackings. With the United States apparently under attack, he seems unconcerned and stays with the kids for quite some time.

Though the whole sequence of events takes more than an hour, none of the hijacked planes are intercepted, or even seen, by the Air Force.

The WTC South Tower collapses less than an hour after it was struck by one lone airplane; the North Tower falls in less than two hours. A third building, unhit by planes, falls later.

If you believe all of this, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Back in the Real World

The official story is so absurd on the surface that we have to consider some more realistic possibilities.

There are really only three others, although they have hundreds of variations.

1) Incompetence: Everybody just goofed -- from intelligence agencies to the Air Force.

2) They knew but ... Various people in power knew about the plot, the conspiracy, but they let it happen.

3) It was an inside job.

Number one is a nonstarter. It is impossible to believe in such massive incompetence. If our intelligence agencies and military and political establishments were that incompetent, the country would have fallen years ago.

Number two is a bit more plausible. If the neocons currently in power knew about the Al Qaeda plot, they might have decided to let it go ahead in order to serve their own purposes; a war on Iraq, for example. A bit more plausible, but not very persuasive. It still assumes some of the most absurd aspects of the official story.

Number three is the scenario of choice.

Let's briefly examine just a couple of the problems with the official fantasy.

Our Missing Air Force

The Air Force is protecting the United States with the most advanced fighter planes in the world. But on 9/11, planes that routinely fly at close to 2000 miles an hour, somehow couldn't catch up with airliners that fly at one quarter the speed.

The official fairy tale talks of war games, communications mix-up between the FAA and NORAD, fighters out of position in training exercises, etc. No matter how you slice it, it's still baloney.

While planes were flying into the WTC towers, F-15s from Otis Air Force Base were sent off Long Island and ordered to remain in a holding pattern. Why weren't they ordered to protect New York?

For the hour that the plane that supposedly hit the Pentagon was under the control of hijackers, military officials in a command center on the east side of the building were urgently talking to law enforcement and air traffic control officials about what to do. In the end, they did nothing. Why? If we can't protect the Pentagon from attack, no place in the country is safe.

You Canna' Change the Laws of Physics!

We are told that both the North and South World Trade Center towers collapsed because of the plane impacts and fires. The "pancake" theory explains this -- i.e., each floor fell on the one below until the building is totally destroyed.

The trouble with this, it's physically impossible. The burning kerosene from the plane's fuel tanks does not create a hot enough fire to melt the steel skeletons of a modern skyscraper. No skyscraper in the world has ever collapsed from a fire, not even buildings that burned for days.

You can get tangled up in conflicting expert opinion. But the opinions that allow for this kind of collapse are so tortured that they defy reason, logic, and common sense.

And even then, they are defeated by the simple fact that all three buildings -- the two hit by planes and the one that wasn't -- fell at near freefall speed, impossible for a pancaking building. Each floor would be slowed as it hit the one below, appreciably lengthening the building collapse.

Then you have the minor but vexing problem, of course, that each building fell so perfectly within its own footprint.

The only way the buildings could have fallen the way they did was through controlled demolition. In short, they were blown up.

Who Did It?

The fact that it was an inside job is evident. There was enormous expertise involved.

Beyond that, is impossible to know. We don't have the facts to point to anybody. And we'll never have those facts, if there is not a real serious investigation. That yet isn't in the cards. While there is a great deal of skepticism about the official story, the corporate media flatly refuses to examine it. And that isn't likely to change soon.

But, as Fox Mulder said, the truth is out there. We have to look for it.

Read some books about 9/11. The corporate media refuses to review books that challenge the official line, but you can find them in bookstores. Try Towers of Deception; The Media Cover up of 9/11 by Barrie Zwicker.

There are a dozen major websites that are seeking the truth about 9/11. Look at them, study the evidence, and demand that your congressman and senators do something. They won't, of course, but we have to start somewhere.

Unless, of course, you prefer living in the Land of Oz.

http://www.swans.com/library/art12/rdeck068.html
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 01:03 pm
Though I've read several descriptions of how WTC7 'imploded,' I would rather believe the words of Silverstein (the property owner) himself when he says that they decided to 'pull' the building.

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/video/wtc7/wtc7_pullit.wmv

Cycloptichorn
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Mon 28 Aug, 2006 04:11 pm
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Though I've read several descriptions of how WTC7 'imploded,' I would rather believe the words of Silverstein (the property owner) himself when he says that they decided to 'pull' the building.

http://www.thewebfairy.com/killtown/video/wtc7/wtc7_pullit.wmv

Cycloptichorn


Yep. Smile

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n77/bushit_911/wtc7.gif
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Magginkat
 
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Reply Tue 29 Aug, 2006 10:06 pm
Framerman, I have news for you and any other repug who exclaims. "Irrevelant". Just because you say so is not geood enough.

I think lots of things are relevant and no loud mouth right wing nut case is going to change my mind on that account..... especially when it's coming from some confused soul who is still making excuses for the quack in the oval office.

Anyone who can look at the damage caused by that good for nothing bum and not be angry is as out of touch with reality as the object of our discussion, namely Chicken george.
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 29 Aug, 2006 11:18 pm
Another one of these threads? How many are there now? Another thread destined for the Humor section one of these days.
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