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Thu 24 Aug, 2006 09:32 am
Hello! My name is Paulo. I'm here because I want to know people's opinion on some issues that have connection to America, Israel and fighting terrorism in the Middle East.
I think you will agree with me that after the U.S. has interposed into war against global terrorism that is based mainly in the Middle East, Washington has sunk own safety of American people in behalf of safety of Israel's. But what's the purpose for this? Despite the fact that George Bush is perfectly aware that Israel simply turns America's Army to Jews' advantage, why does not he break off with dirty cheaters? The answer is that Washington but has to reckon with Israel Lobby that is able to deliver pressure on U.S. Administration and president in many ways (for example by the medium of various human rights NGOs controllable by Jews). Israel Lobby now does the best to retain military presence of American army in Iraq and Afghanistan through covert acts of provocation that invite civil war in this region. Thta's why American army will have to stay there for very-very long while the Americans have to keep living in fear of new terrorist acts.
By the way, it is not only George Bush who knows that Jews are the source of many problems. Many American people know it and for this reason they hate Jews. Though they do not let it out because anti-Semitism is taboo. However sometimes it breaks loose. For instance, last week's Mel Gibson's anti-Jewish remarks. Poor man was drunk that is why he let it out saying "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world". He said it because its true, but he had to pay for it. American Israel Lobby brought the case before the court at once, but Gibson managed to bluff it out and now has to attend an alcohol-abuse program.
Well, then it went worse even. After he directed The Passion of the Christ, the movie was considered controversial by many Jewish groups, they said it was starting anti-Semitism. I think they've got a false idea of their own importance but nothing can be done about this. I only pity that America cannot make away with Israel Lobby's influence that practically dominates over it.
Paulom,
I am not an American, but I would comment your question contains a lot of anthropomorphic claptrap in which groups are thought to act like idividuals by the illogic of statistical stereotype. There are many reasons
that Americans might support the Israelis. Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. Its people are generally clever, industrious and non-belicose. Even fundamentalist American Christians support Israel for the perverse reason that "the second coming of the Messiah" depends on "Jews returning to Zion".
If you still want to argue stereotypes the facts are that "Jews" as a group have been of inordinate benefit to mankind as evidenced by their predominance in all fields of academic progress. To claim that there is a "false" idea of their importance is banal. This does not detract from the moral obligations of Israel to act with as much restraint as possible in the face of an enemy bent on its destruction. On the contrary, such an obligation is encumbent on any intelligent persons who need to "live with themselves" in the aftermath of hostilities. One wonders if that subtle point is understood by its opponents.
Paulo- Fresco doesn't know what he is talking about. If you investigate some of the bloggers, you will find that there is a rather large group of people who think that the Bushites conspired with the Mossad to blow up the buildings on 9/11. That is why the Jews have a strangle hold on us. They will spill the beans if we don't give them every single thing that they want!
Compared to the "Conspiracy Nuts", the "End Timers" mentioned above are much larger group who
are influencing Bush on his Middle Eastern policy. You can argue the point here....
http://www.able2know.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=82863&highlight=
...however despite the alarming gullibility of some Americans I am fairly confident that the "democratic process" statistically favours common sense over lunacy.
There are so many Jewish lawyers. They know that for the parties involved there can only be peace when there is agreement by all parties. The creation of present-day Israel was an agreement of only two parties namely the British with the Balfour Declaration and the Jewish Zionists. The Arabs were the aggrieved party with no say in the matter. The British have left with USA taking its place but the aggrieved Arabs are still there. There can be no peace as long as the aggrieved party is brought to the table and agree.
You got it right, Talk72000. The Zionists shafted the Arabs who wanted only to live on their ancestral land.
I wish there was some way they could live in peace so the rest of the world can go on living a normal life. It is the religious thing that is in the way on both sides.
MarionT wrote:You got it right, Talk72000. The Zionists shafted the Arabs who wanted only to live on their ancestral land.
The reason most of the arabs are there was because of the jewish migration that started in the late 1800's. Before that they were not many people living in the land of Palestine. AND the jews have older claims to the land. Seeing as how Israel was there thousands of years ago before it was destroyed by the Romans, BEFORE any of the modern day arabs ancesters set foot on that ground.
There will never be peace in that area because one side(Israel) wants to be a nation and the other side wants to destroy that nation.
Ah, yes. The neo-Nazi style of anti-Semitism is alive and well on this thread, I see. Well said, mrcool. The Jews certainly have a much longer claim on that piece of real estate than the Arabs do.
And the native Americans have a much older claim to America than the colonial Americans, be they Jewish, Catholic or Protestant.
Paaskynen wrote:And the native Americans have a much older claim to America than the colonial Americans, be they Jewish, Catholic or Protestant.
True. So what does it have to do with Israel? It must be terrible to have such a weak position that one can only argue by evasion and misdirection.
Good point, Paaskynen. So what? That particular real estate hassle seems to have been settled roughly 100-plus years ago. And nobody is denying the indigenous people of the North American continent the right to exist. In fact, they get all sorts of extra perks that the 'newcomers' cannot claim. In many states, Indian reservations are the only places where gambling casions are legal, for example. Tribal police and tribal courts handle almost all of the law-enforcement on the Reservations. How does any of this have any bearing on the subject of this particular thread? The Islamic states in the Middle East -- a number of them, at least -- are on record as saying that the Jews and the state of Israel have no legitimacy. The two subjects are hardly parallel.
The state of Israel has legitimacy, in the fact it was created legally and they have an older claim to the land.
All right, Abraham was from the city of Ur in modern day Iraq. The Arabs are all descendants of Abraham's other wives other than Sarah. Ishmael from Hagar was pushed out by Sarah, Esau was tricked out of his inheritance by Rebecca and Jacob. Abraham's concubines also had children with him and were turned away. It is this threacherous family with their own deviousness that has created problems for themselves. The Arabs are the issue of Abraham all tricked out of their inheritance. It is a family feud if I may say so.
talk72000 wrote:All right, Abraham was from the city of Ur in modern day Iraq. The Arabs are all descendants of Abraham's other wives other than Sarah. Ishmael from Hagar was pushed out by Sarah, Esau was tricked out of his inheritance by Rebecca and Jacob. Abraham's concubines also had children with him and were turned away. It is this threacherous family with their own deviousness that has created problems for themselves. The Arabs are the issue of Abraham all tricked out of their inheritance. It is a family feud if I may say so.
Its one hell of a family feud.
But the most powerful nation in the world run by Bush won't allow the members of the family to negotiate. The Israelis are adamant about keeping the Golan Heights and other lands that should be in the hands of the Palestinians and were seized by force. Bushie is biased and is on the side of Israel. How can this family feud be stopped under the circumstances?
MarionT wrote:But the most powerful nation in the world run by Bush won't allow the members of the family to negotiate. The Israelis are adamant about keeping the Golan Heights and other lands that should be in the hands of the Palestinians and were seized by force. Bushie is biased and is on the side of Israel. How can this family feud be stopped under the circumstances?
The reason they have lands such as the Golan Heights is they need a buffer zone.
Of course Bush sides with Israel, they are close ally's with the same enemy.
The feud will not stop til one side is wiped out. Israeli's wont give up and the arab world will not give up
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