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Thu 24 Aug, 2006 12:47 am
This is an article out of the british media outlet The Register exposing how the British terror plot was a hoax. The article outlines how it was scientificly highly improbable that the supposed "terrorists" were going to use liquid explosives to destroy airliners over the atlantic.
Here's the article
http://www.workingforchange.com/article.cfm?ItemID=21261
Note: If the government will arrest innocent people and hype up a "terror bust" for political gain what makes you think they won't fly planes into buildings and kill thousands of people for even greater political control.
Also this is not the first time this has happened. The government used the supposed "Terror Bust" in miami to create fear. Turns out the leader of the group was an FBI agent and the supposed terrorists were just a bunch of retarded kids.
The Daily Show Deconstructs Fed's Miami Terrorists Hype
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8a4z9N3eYc
CNN's Anderson Cooper: Are Sears Tower Terrorists Patsies?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su2GaxvRLYE...06patsies%2Ehtm
<Ahem>......"Innocent" people?
I understand that the police appear to have found quite a few "Martyr" videos, made by these "Innocents".
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5265182.stm
reaper66.
Your source (the Leader) appears to be "scientific" equivalent of the political sattire magazine "Private Eye" except that the latter is perhaps more entertaining.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/popular.html
As Lord Ellpus has indicated, you'll have to do a lot better than that to counter the known evidence.
I don't know about the tapes but most of the supposed terrorists didn't even have passports. How are they going to destroy airliners over the atlantic without passports?
There is also the fact that the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan has gone public calling the supposed plot propaganda
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/08/the_uk_terror_p.html
fresco wrote:reaper66.
Your source (the Leader) appears to be "scientific" equivalent of the political sattire magazine "Private Eye" except that the latter is perhaps more entertaining.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/popular.html
As Lord Ellpus has indicated, you'll have to do a lot better than that to counter the known evidence.
Here is the article right from the rigisters website
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/08/17/flying_toilet_terror_labs/
reaper66 wrote:
I don't know about the tapes but most of the supposed terrorists didn't even have passports. How are they going to destroy airliners over the atlantic without passports?
There is also the fact that the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan has gone public calling the supposed plot propaganda
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/08/the_uk_terror_p.html
The "timing" of the arrests may be propaganda, owing to the forthcoming requirement for Bushco to instill fear into the American public due to an imminent election, but you can't call these people innocent, IMO.
Whether they had passports or not, it would appear at this moment in time that they had serious intent.
What was to stop them passing on this whole idea to a few crazies who DID have passports.
Are you saying that anyone without a passport does not pose a risk, and therefore should not ever be arrested?
This is the latest news......
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5268932.stm
Lord Ellpus wrote:reaper66 wrote:
I don't know about the tapes but most of the supposed terrorists didn't even have passports. How are they going to destroy airliners over the atlantic without passports?
There is also the fact that the former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan has gone public calling the supposed plot propaganda
http://www.craigmurray.co.uk/archives/2006/08/the_uk_terror_p.html
The "timing" of the arrests may be propaganda, owing to the forthcoming requirement for Bushco to instill fear into the American public due to an imminent election, but you can't call these people innocent, IMO.
Whether they had passports or not, it would appear at this moment in time that they had serious intent.
What was to stop them passing on this whole idea to a few crazies who DID have passports.
Are you saying that anyone without a passport does not pose a risk, and therefore should not ever be arrested?
I'm not saying they couldn't do it I'm simply saying that it would be very very dificult to pull off. It would take hours to mix the stuff together in the bathroom of the plane. They're chances of not getting caught is slim. If they were real terrorists intent on destroying airliners then they could have picked a better way to do it. As I understand it it is extremely dificult to obtain the explosive yeild from these liquid explosives to bring down and Airliner. Don't you think that if they were really serious about it they would try something a little simpler and more likely to be effective. Something like surgicly implanted C4 would do the trick, heck why do you need to do that, on 9/11 19 hijackers with boxcutter (supposedly) managed to take control of four planes and hit three of their targets. You'd think that if they were real terrorists and they were well trained they could take control of a plane and crash it without using explosives at all. Yet they decided to go the hard way and use a method that had a very small chance of success.
But never mind all that. If there are hundreds of supposed terrorists then why aren't there more attacks. Why don't we have terrorists walking into airports and blowing themselves up every day. Or even better, why don't they just walk up to a bar with alot of people in it and detonate explosives. Why aren't there cases every day of terrorists walking into police stations and detonating explosives, why don't they just walk into high schools all across the country and detonate explosives. You see my point. If there were that many terrorists then we would we not have attacks everyday all accross the map. Instead every terror attack we do have has government fingerprints all over it.
Maybe they don't do it because the authorities, working on intelligence, arrest them before they have the CHANCE to do it.
Then the same authorities get lambasted for arresting "innocent" people.
Get my drift?
Lord Ellpus wrote:Maybe they don't do it because the authorities, working on intelligence, arrest them before they have the CHANCE to do it.
Then the same authorities get lambasted for arresting "innocent" people.
Get my drift?
I can only recall a handfull of teror busts in the last few years and al of them had government fingerprints all over them. Hek the leader of the group in florida was an FBI agent. What more evidence do you need. When an FBI agent founds a terror cell and then busts his followers for supposedly plotting to bomb something that's called entrapment. It's illegal. If there really was real terrorism then having a police state is not going to stop it. You can make explosives with average houshold chemicals and use then to blow up stuff. I'm sure you have all the ingrediants for a bomb in your own house. If there were real suicide bomber terrorists then they would go to someplace with alot of people and just blow themselves up. They could easily just walk into a wal mart with a home made bomb and detonate it killing alot of people. even if there were cops everywhere and we had a giant police state and everyone was searched at random they could just walk up to a checkpoint were the cops were searching people and detonate explosives killing alot of innocent people. Bt that simply isn't the what' happening here. Governments have always used the threat of terrorism as an excuse to crackdown on they're populations with a police state. That's what hitler did. On November 27th 1933 he bombed his own Reichstag building and blamed it on terrorists. They had a mass wave of arrests and innocent people were put to death for the governments crimes. Then when hitler wanted to invade poland he simply blew up a german radio station and blamed it on the polish. That's what really started world war two. Governmets use terrorism because they hype it and scare you into giving up you rights so they can keep you safe. Of course when you give up freedom you don't get security. You get tyranny. If you could give up freedom and get security then why did colonial americans fight so hard for their freedom. Why didn't they just let the british troops keep them safe. See my point. Having a police state does not and cannot stop terrorism if it is the real thing. The government cannot and will not protect you. Throughout history governments have used fear to coerce they're poplulations into enslaving themselves. That is what this is really about. Turning us into slaves and convincing us to give up our freedom to protect us from a threat that really doesn't exist.
Put it another way, reaper.
You are the top policeman, covering the area of Heathrow Airport, the busiest airport in the world.
You are only too aware that the UK has a large muslim population, a small number of whom are disaffected young men, who read and are influenced by all sorts of weird and frightening stuff from various politically driven websites.
There is also a possibility that there are a few so called "British" muslims who would jump at the chance to get involved with some serious terrorist action against the UK or America, given the opportunity.
In the back of your mind, you remember the carnage caused by the London tube bombings, carried out by British muslims.
You then receive what seems to be credible intelligence, telling you that this "chemical" style attack was imminent. You are not a chemist. You have no idea how much time or difficulty is involved in such an attack.
This supposed attack, you are reliably informed, could take place within the next day or so.
What would YOU do?
Choices.....
1. Swoop immediately on all known suspects and investigate the matter thoroughly.
2. Delay the arrests for any reason that you can think of that may prevent people from accusing you of arresting "innocent" people?
Well?
Lord Ellpus wrote:Put it another way, reaper.
You are the top policeman, covering the area of Heathrow Airport, the busiest airport in the world.
You are only too aware that the UK has a large muslim population, a small number of whom are disaffected young men, who read and are influenced by all sorts of weird and frightening stuff from various politically driven websites.
There is also a possibility that there are a few so called "British" muslims who would jump at the chance to get involved with some serious terrorist action against the UK or America, given the opportunity.
In the back of your mind, you remember the carnage caused by the London tube bombings, carried out by British muslims.
You then receive what seems to be credible intelligence, telling you that this "chemical" style attack was imminent. You are not a chemist. You have no idea how much time or difficulty is involved in such an attack.
This supposed attack, you are reliably informed, could take place within the next day or so.
What would YOU do?
Choices.....
1. Swoop immediately on all known suspects and investigate the matter thoroughly.
2. Delay the arrests for any reason that you can think of that may prevent people from accusing you of arresting "innocent" people?
Well?
You know it's interesting that you mention the 7/7 bombings in London. Turns out the mastermind of that plan was workng for Mi6. Again government fingerprints.
Watch this news clip about how the london bomber mastermind was working for Mi6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoxPY3H5EqA
Also during the london bombings they were running a drill of a bomb going off in the exact sam place at the exact same time the real thing was happening. This is done to confuse other elements of the government and cause them to stand down. This was also the case on 9/11 were NORAD was running drills of flying hijacked jets into the world trade center and pentagon at the exact same time it was happening in the real world.
7/7 London bombing drill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJ65NwtbQic
9/11 NORAD drill
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oj4khkq-eI
Listen to the part where that one guy says he's never seen this much real world during an exorcise.
Lord Ellpus wrote:Put it another way, reaper.
You are the top policeman, covering the area of Heathrow Airport, the busiest airport in the world.
You are only too aware that the UK has a large muslim population, a small number of whom are disaffected young men, who read and are influenced by all sorts of weird and frightening stuff from various politically driven websites.
There is also a possibility that there are a few so called "British" muslims who would jump at the chance to get involved with some serious terrorist action against the UK or America, given the opportunity.
In the back of your mind, you remember the carnage caused by the London tube bombings, carried out by British muslims.
You then receive what seems to be credible intelligence, telling you that this "chemical" style attack was imminent. You are not a chemist. You have no idea how much time or difficulty is involved in such an attack.
This supposed attack, you are reliably informed, could take place within the next day or so.
What would YOU do?
Choices.....
1. Swoop immediately on all known suspects and investigate the matter thoroughly.
2. Delay the arrests for any reason that you can think of that may prevent people from accusing you of arresting "innocent" people?
Well?
If I had enough evidence to arrest them then I would. As long as that evidence wasn't gathered illegally by violating their rights.
Oh and if you think that the government wouldn't carry out terror attacks to blame it on foreign enemies then have a look at this.
ABC News covers operation northwoods
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
Here is a copy of operation northwoods from the national security archive
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
Also here is a news clip about operation northwoods.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IygchZRJVXM
If only you mentioned that thing about Aswat being talked about by an Expert on Fox News before, you would have won me over straight away!
I have suddenly realised that MI6 is now but a mere pawn in the hands of AQ, and that the British Government really wanted people to be blown apart on 7/7, in order to keep us all in line.
Thank you for opening my eyes, reaper.
If you want to learn more about government sponsered terrism I suggest you watch these free online videos. They're mostly about 9/11 but they do go into historical examples such as Hitler burning the reichstag and blowing up his own radio station as an excuse to invade poland.
Terrorstorm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5948263607579389947&q=terrorstorm
Martial Law 911 Rise of the Police State
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=martial+law
911 The Road to Tyranny
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1358726890127819985&q=911+road
Loose Change 2nd Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5946593973848835726
Hitler, eh? Crafty bugger! I always thought that he couldn't be trusted.
I shall now look VERY closely in future, to see if there are any visible signs of Tony Blair trying to grow a small moustache.
Yes, so don't worry...I will be able to get a close view of Tony on regular occasions.
Any sign of a five o clock shadow above the top lip, and I'll let you know immediately.
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