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Wed 23 Aug, 2006 02:02 pm
is a communist.
I would like to see a reasoned debate re the above statement which proves I am on some pretty expensive drugs to expect reasoned debate on a2k.
(Robert) Welch joined the Republican Party and then ran and lost an election for the post of Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts in 1950. He joined the Republican Party and supported the unsuccessful Robert Taft for the 1952 presidential nominationin that party.
Welch, along with fascist Revilo P. Oliver, founded the John Birch Society in December of 1958. Its original membership consisted of only eleven men. But Welch's wealth allowed the organization to have a wide impact and sponsor a number of publications. At its height, the organization claimed it had tens of thousands of members. But its political views limited its ability to form alliances with other groups (even other anti-Communists like Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan were denounced by the Society as being too liberal) and diminished its real impact. Oliver was later ousted in a purge of anti-Semitic and racist members in the early 1960s.
Welch even accused Presidents Harry S. Truman and Dwight D. Eisenhower of being communist sympathisers and possibly Soviet agents of influence. He alleged Eisenhower was a 'conscious, dedicated agent of the communist conspiracy' and that his brother Milton Eisenhower was his superior in the communist apparatus. Eisenhower never responded publicly to Welch's claims.
Okie and foxfire, no comment?
i think George Bush is a communist. Phyllis Schlafly says so, and she's Ann Coulter's hero.
Quote: Did you know that the powerfully influential Council on Foreign Relations - often described as a "shadow government" - issued a comprehensive report last year laying out a five-year plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter"?
Roughly translated: In the next few years, according to the 59-page report titled "Building a North American Community," the U.S. must be integrated with the socialism, corruption, poverty and population of Mexico and Canada. "Common perimeter" means wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada. As Phyllis Schlafly reveals in this issue of Whistleblower: "This CFR document asserts that President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin 'committed their governments' to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the 'Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America' and assigned 'working groups' to fill in the details. It was at this same meeting, grandly called the North American Summit, that President Bush pinned the epithet 'vigilantes' on the volunteers guarding our border in Arizona."
The CFR report - important excerpts of which are published in Whistleblower - also suggests North American elitists begin getting together regularly, and presumably secretly, "to buttress North American relationships, along the lines of the Bilderberg or Wehrkunde conferences, organized to support transatlantic relations." The Bilderberg and Wehrkunde conferences are highly secret conclaves of the powerful. For decades, there have been suspicions that such meetings were used for plotting the course of world events and especially the centralization of global decision-making.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49992
Quote: Anyone to the left of J. Stalin
Aah - a thread about Trotsky. Just what we needed.
Welch sold a lot of grape jelly, some of it red.
okie wrote:Whats your point?
My point okie is that Joe S was a right wing fruitcake that you right wing fruitcakes like to hold up as a left wing fruitcake, Joe was the ultimate republican.
There's nothing left wing about a murderous dog such as Joe S. A true left winger does not do such things.
yitwail wrote:i think George Bush is a communist. Phyllis Schlafly says so, and she's Ann Coulter's hero.
Quote: Did you know that the powerfully influential Council on Foreign Relations - often described as a "shadow government" - issued a comprehensive report last year laying out a five-year plan for the "establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community" with a common "outer security perimeter"?
Roughly translated: In the next few years, according to the 59-page report titled "Building a North American Community," the U.S. must be integrated with the socialism, corruption, poverty and population of Mexico and Canada. "Common perimeter" means wide-open U.S. borders between the U.S., Mexico and Canada. As Phyllis Schlafly reveals in this issue of Whistleblower: "This CFR document asserts that President Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin 'committed their governments' to this goal when they met at Bush's ranch and at Waco, Texas, on March 23, 2005. The three adopted the 'Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America' and assigned 'working groups' to fill in the details. It was at this same meeting, grandly called the North American Summit, that President Bush pinned the epithet 'vigilantes' on the volunteers guarding our border in Arizona."
The CFR report - important excerpts of which are published in Whistleblower - also suggests North American elitists begin getting together regularly, and presumably secretly, "to buttress North American relationships, along the lines of the Bilderberg or Wehrkunde conferences, organized to support transatlantic relations." The Bilderberg and Wehrkunde conferences are highly secret conclaves of the powerful. For decades, there have been suspicions that such meetings were used for plotting the course of world events and especially the centralization of global decision-making.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=49992
I have some significant degree of respect for any present day Republican who remains outside of the "must support our wonderful president" sheepdom so common here. That respect is lessened, I admit, when and if the Republican in question is just simply over the edge nuts, like Shafley. Still, it's something.
edgarblythe wrote:There's nothing left wing about a murderous dog such as Joe S. A true left winger does not do such things.
Hmmm.. do I detect circular logic?
Has communist become a word that is interchangeable with fascist? I don't think we've ever had a successful communist government in the sense that Marx intended. All attempts gave way to dictatorship and/or fascism.
It's purely arbitrary to put one murdering dog on the left and another on the right. Being left is not about those things.
It's interesting to note that 'liberals' in this country (the USA) now consider the Communist Party of modern Russia a 'conservative' and 'right-wing' entity. People like Josip Dzugashvilli (aka Stalin) gave Communism a bad reputation and other creeps, e.g. N. Korea's Kim continue to do so.
Early on, many on the left were deluded into thinking communists wanted the same things from life they did. They were blind to the true nature of repressive communist regimes.
Not an original thought, but how many of those remain available?
The right/left dichotomy has something of the Big Lie about it, I think. By which I mean, it doesn't matter what the form or structure of governance obtains in a community, there seems to be personality types which will manipulate and maneuver within that system in order to gain dominance of an exclusive and, often, completely amoral sort. I don't consider Stalin and Cheney or J Edgar Hoover to be significantly different. Either of the two Americans, had they been born in Stalingrad, would have been precisely the sort to claw their way to power in the party.
That said, there are governance structures or designs or institutions which work to inhibit such people. The checks/balances design is an obvious example. Transparency in governance is another and a free and independent press another. Etc.
One of the key means of spotting these bad guys, it seems clear, is that they will work to minimize or to obliterate such safeguard institutions.
dyslexia wrote:okie wrote:Whats your point?
My point okie is that Joe S was a right wing fruitcake that you right wing fruitcakes like to hold up as a left wing fruitcake, Joe was the ultimate republican.
I thought Joe was a communist. What do conservatives in this country have in common with communists, dyslexia? Have you lost your mind? You mentioned some expensive drugs when you started this thread, at which time I had no clue what you were talking about. Perhaps you need to get off of them or get some better ones?
I postulate that this whole thread just calls for an reductio ad Stalinum.
Dys has me totally flumoxxed. He loved Barry Goldwater, the Republican conservative candidate for president against LBJ, and LBJ considered Goldwater a right wing fruitcake. What in the world happened to you dys from the 1960s to now?
okie wrote:Dys has me totally flumoxxed. He loved Barry Goldwater, the Republican conservative candidate for president against LBJ, and LBJ considered Goldwater a right wing fruitcake. What in the world happened to you dys from the 1960s to now?
Well, if Dys says he is lying, is what he says true or false?
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