that was a US dollar, not Canadian.
Yeah? Well, you and I can settle this one with a game of road hockey...if you have the nerve.
Now, now, you guys, let's not be irreverent............
it's a debate over the value of the dollar.........settled by a gentleman's method
"gentleman"? surely you jest (formerly known as shirley)
Blatham, yeah, and Lola too from her long post. I think that's out of the way.
Really, in this context, I was bringing it up not so much because of what Lola said -- though that was the immediate reason -- as because that word kept coming up in regards to Butrflynet and I really really don't think that was the point (but will let her say so one way or the other.)
I grew up in Minnesota. Bring on the road hockey.
I've read the first three pages of this thread - it's gotten too long now.
When I met everyone at the Florida Gathering, I was more impressed with the fact that their personalities were true to the online personas I'd come to know and love, rather than what everyone looked like.
Honestly, the only thing I worried about was if my house was clean enough for everyone!
Looks? Pshhhaw!
Could've cared less.....these people are my friends.
the discussion was so immediately intimate in the lobby that we forgot to introduce ourselves to Dys and he at first just looked at us as if we were crazy. We all had a good laugh over that. Blatham and I had recognized Dys and then I saw Diane too........so the same incident was repeated with Diane..........we didn't process right away that neither Diane nor Dys had never seen our photos as we had theirs. It was a funny moment.
cav
Burst of laughter produced with that one.
Rae
That was true here too, but for the singular case of dys who has the eyes of a Satanist turned door to door salesman.
lol, blatham! I can't wait to meet Dys, one of these days!
I come home from work, I relax, I check a2k, look at this phyapp topic, and what happens, an explosion of ever more dense/meaty posts, and I am only on 15....have at least ten responses semiverbalized so far, like the talk.
ok, I am on 20, am overwhelmed. Let me start backwards, Diane and I met when Paola and I met her at Serafina's for lunch, and the three of us were hit in that charming place with a chatternoise bath. We knew each other only by photos. Because of our mutual hearing loss, we corresponded for about six minutes with napkin notes. The cacaphony waned, and we got to talk full speed. I treasure these two women.
On feminism, I am a practical feminist. Have never read feminist bibles, including what I think of as the first by Betty Friedan, Feminine Mystique, which I slammed down early in the book, when it made some point that a woman didn't need to obey the man, since at the time I thought women should, in a 51-49 type way. Ok, ok, dark ages, but I remember feeling that.
I've read the odd article by McKinnon or about her in one place or another, but mostly remember pause on my part. To shortcut a soliquy, I am not anti-men, I like and love men.
Still, it is not sooooo long ago that I am dismissed verbally on my own job site..by someone who doesn't know who it is that approves the work. (For a short time, that is.) My business partner, married to a fine musician from Austria and Amsterdam - which is to say she has another life of if not leisure, had a crew doing landscape installation at high end jobs in Bel Air in the LA area. A fellow came on the site and demanded to have the papers signed and she took them and he grabbed them back and pointed to the guy over there, and (I think I don't have this story right, he simply wouldn't deal with her, at length} and eventually he found the foreman, who pointed to her, and this all took a good length of time. Well, I still run into dumbfoundment that anything I might know could have value.
More and more it doesn't happen, as the people we work with are more aware of our expertise. There is an underlying problem, we come with experience that people in our new area don't know about, and they don[t know about it rather aggressively. The introduction would be true for males newcomers too. Well, another whole subject. Still, on-site visits of work are not always delights and I see dismissal of women's opinions on an unpleasantly routine basis. We break it down by direct talk about issues, and we usually win since we are the designers. We're not actually hardass, and do listen. It is just that there is often this venomous spray of yeah? as we approach.
Does that sound hostile? It is real, but diminishes when anybody or group know us.
I am more uncomfortable than my business partner, who has had crews do all sorts of amazing installations in the past. Together, when things are working, we can get - what shall I call it - fine design - installed. On her own, she'd go crazy, but succeed for a while. On my own, I would fold, stop, she has much more punch in the field. I don't mean this as a business ad, more a description, to say that there is a certain amount of sheer bravado in going out there with your own business day to day. Woman or man, in the construction business, you need to back up your smile.
Osso, a few years ago <a way few year ago> was administrator for a high end real estate company dealing with on site condominium conversions in the Danville area. Being the on site supervisor, <almost unheard of for a woman in the late 70's> plus coordinating jobs with the the General contractors, there were situations as you described. One irate guy literally threw <over the top of his truck> a workorder at me for signature. Calmly, and with great disgression on my part, signed the doc then proceeded to fast ball the papers <clip board and all> right back at him. From that moment, our working relationship improved <along with his manners>.
Today, the construction biz even tougher. I commend your ability to bob and weave without smacking someone on the noggin. No, you do not sound harsh.
I thought being a satanist was a pre-requisite for a career in door to door sales.
