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Where Were You When you Started to Doubt the Official 9/11..

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 01:14 pm
Thus does f4f confirm his credentials and demonstrate the depth and discernment of thinking requisite to the absurdities posed through his posts.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 01:15 pm
timberlandko wrote:
Where was I when I first began to doubt "The Official Story"? I'm afraid I can't answer that. I've never been abducted by aliens, nor seen Bigfoot, either - though I once did see a two-headed calf.

freedom4free wrote:
Ok then, tell me this. Before the collapse of the second tower, did you have any doubt in your mind, that it could be an 'inside job' ?

The preposterous does not recommend itself.


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b.t.w two planes crashing in the W.T.C could NOT have been an accident

Quite so ... it was a meticulously planned, successfully executed, unprovoked act of war, perpetrated with conscious, willful intention against a wholly civilian target, calculated to achieve sensationalist, terroristic gain in lieu of legitimate military advantage, carried out by fanatics at the behest of fanatics in support of fanatacism.


Buy some vaseline, get your buddy Tico to help you remove your head out, then he'll pass the bottle to you, you help him, go buy some pop corn and watch this VIDEO. Very Happy
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 01:30 pm
f4f, the irony inflicted on your proposition, and on your own merit as a credible analyst of events, by your recent ill-considered, uncivil posts is all but unimaginably rich. Thank you most sincerely for the entertainment you apparently unwittingly provide through the stereotypical-of-its-genre manner and substance of your discourse here.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 01:42 pm
timberlandko wrote:
f4f, the irony inflicted on your proposition, and on your own merit as a credible analyst of events, by your recent ill-considered, uncivil posts is all but unimaginably rich. Thank you most sincerely for the entertainment you apparently unwittingly provide through the stereotypical-of-its-genre manner and substance of your discourse here.


Another words, you refuse to remove your head, therefore you are unable to watch the video. Thanks!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 02:39 pm
f4f, had I any reason to expect benefit to ensue, I'd go to some length and effort in the interest of an endeavor to get you out from behind your attitude and bigotry in order to bring you into touch with reality ... suffice it to say no such expectation, nor any reason for same, obtains. The demographic comprising the likes of those responsible for and endorsive of the ignorance and prejudice reflected through your body of posts on this website is immense and unshakeably dedicated - sensationalist tabloids, rude counterfeits, Nigerian scams, and snake oil of every sort imaginable are assured continued ready market and reliable profit thereby.

BTW - I've seen the video and those in the series of which it is a part - both on YouTube, and at the times of their original presentations on television - nowhere in them is there any support for the absurdities your offerings propose.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 03:08 pm
timberlandko wrote:


BTW - I've seen the video and those in the series of which it is a part - both on YouTube, and at the times of their original presentations on television - nowhere in them is there any support for the absurdities your offerings propose.


Great, thanks for watching the video, the video is only part of the story, you need to spend some time reading all the facts in this article, then we can start to debate.

Great care was taken to confirm and double confirm every piece of information. (right at the bottom of the article are the footnotes)

Let me know when you are ready.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."

~ Arthur Schopenhauer, Philosopher, 1788-1860
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 03:32 pm
I'm familiar with that Rolling Eyes proudly Rolling Eyes anonymous article, f4f, and with many of its like. Try This Article; it rips to shreds the misperceptions, distortions, invalid assumptions, afounadtional conclusions, delusional allegations, half-truths, and outright fabrications presented by your understandably anonymous source. There is no debate to be had.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 04:01 pm
timberlandko wrote:
I'm familiar with that Rolling Eyes proudly Rolling Eyes anonymous article, f4f, and with many of its like. Try This Article; it rips to shreds the misperceptions, distortions, invalid assumptions, afounadtional conclusions, delusional allegations, half-truths, and outright fabrications presented by your understandably anonymous source. There is no debate to be had.


Sorry Timbo, but popular mechanics it self is an 'inside job' Laughing
Got anything better ?

http://www.oilempire.us/popular-mechanics.html

"Popular Mechanics Attacks -- Its 9/11 LIES Straw Man" by Jim Hoffman http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/index.html

"Popular Mechanics' Deceptive Hit Piece Against 9/11 Truth" by Jim Hoffman http://911review.com/pm/markup/index.html

Popular Mechanics, March 2005 cited several bogus websites as "proof" against 9/11 complicity claims, focusing on fake claims to discredit real evidence.

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'Popular Mechanics' is published by the Hearst Corporation, proprietor (chairman of the board) George R. Hearst, grandson of William Randolph Hearst, sometime would-be builder of large aeroplanes.
http://www.business-magazines.com/prd1350.php
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/hearst.asp http://www.hearstcorp.com/biographies/corp_bio_hearst.html

The president and CEO of Hearst Corporation is one Victor F. Ganzi, since June 1st, 2002. Mr Ganzi is also an officer/director of the Hearst Foundation. http://www.hearstcorp.com/biographies/media/GANZI_2003_2_BW.jpg http://www.hearstcorp.com/biographies/corp_bio_ganzi.html http://www.oaklandwib.org/Images/ImageUploads/F82200432537.pdf
A close look at the titles of the books on the shelf behind Mr Ganzi in the photo (GANZI_2003_2_BW.jpg) reveals that some part of Mr Ganzi's early career was spent working for the owners of the Atlantic City Boardwalk and associated hotels and casinos; sometime friends of a certain Mr Frank Sinatra, as I recall.

Victor F. Ganzi is on the board of directors of The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University (CASA), alongside Columba Bush, wife of Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida, brother of George W. Bush, President of the USA and son of George H.W. Bush, former DG of the CIA.
http://www.nationalfamilies.org/prevention/casa.html

Victor F. Ganzi is a member of B.E.N.S. - "Business Executives for National Security"
http://www.bens.org/what_threats_intel.html#intel - wherein we learn that "When it came time to evaluate In-Q-Tel, the CIA's innovative technology development enterprise, Congress turned to BENS"
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 04:52 pm
Frankly, the absurdities you forward are unwarrantedly dignified by substantive, factual rebuttal.


I suppose the world is a better place for having in it laughingstocks so eager for delusional fantasy as to enthusistically embrace such lunacy as that upon which currently you place your focus, f4f - if nothing else, it would be a duller place absent clowns.


Thanks for the entertainment.
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okie
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 09:54 pm
I would suggest freedom4free contact Michael Moore to do a "documentary" on the inside scoop of 911. And perhaps late night talk radio commentators George Norrie and Art Bell could find some "experts" to contribute to the investigation. Undoubtedly, at least half of the Democratic Party could be convinced to get on board when the truth comes out, because it will be easy for them to believe Bush arranged the whole thing to create the boogeyman, terrorism, to keep everybody scared spitless, so that he can stay in power, attack countries, and confiscate all the oil he possibly can for himself and his oil buddies from Texas.

After all, this is not the first thing hidden from the public, and when the public learns the truth, many will believe, as demonstrated by a 1997 Gallup poll, wherein over 80% of Americans have heard of the Roswell incident, and 31% believe that a spacecraft from another planet did indeed crash at Roswell in 1947. I don't know if those 31% were Democrats, but I have my suspicions that they were because we all know Democrats know the truth when they see it.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 18 Aug, 2006 10:09 pm
What makes me sad is that although I have no idea if the "official" story of 9/11 is true or not, were I to learn that it WAS an inside job, I would not be shocked or surprised. My faith in my government has been shattered and eroded that badly and isn't that tragedy enough?

Although I live in the real world, I at least at one point in ,my life was able to, by a choice of will believe in it somewhat. No more.

Our government is of the money by those with money and for the money. End of story.
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okie
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 02:07 am
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Although I live in the real world, I at least at one point in ,my life was able to, by a choice of will believe in it somewhat. No more.


Perhaps you need to try a little harder, as the real world does in fact exist. Believe it. Bi-Polar is kind of a tough road to go down, so I would suggest you choose the real pole in your life and go with it. Don't let the imaginary pole get the best of you.
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djjd62
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 04:05 am
i'm with bear on this one, if it turned out to be a fix i wouldn't be much surprised, some elements of this administration seem cappable of anything, while other seem capable of nothing

in the earl days of murmuring about suspended rights and freedoms for the good of the country, all the unclear talk about what the government might have to do to ensure it's safety, it kinda seemed like, ok this is it, here's were it begins, the rise of the fourth reich, but that turned out to be a panicked kind of confusion
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 05:32 am
well, here we go again. Except this time its not magginkat as the yahoo but its another "butt for brains" named freedom4free.
Thefact that 30% of the US population believes its an inside job is what I find plausible. Weve never been considered a country with an excess of brainpower anyway.

I called attention on another website how the "conspracists" FAKED the Lamont Dogherty Geophysical Observatory seismic recordsby messing with the x axis (time ordinate). The scientists at Lamont said this and were outraged at how Dr Jones (A well known publicity hungry nut-job who has never failed to come out with conspiracy theories "du jour" when his ego needs stroking), had the cojones to have the seismic record doctored.
You have to become waay more discriminating about how you "believe" crap from supposed experts.

May I submit that Dr Jones was also the Dr Jones who produced the "cold fusion" reaction back in the late 1980's. Hes certainly a man of high syanding in the scientific community.

Actual "experts" looked at the metal for months and concluded that the collapse of the buildings was propogated at the point where the planes hit and ws due to catastrophic failure because of fatigue.All the supposed experts on the conspiracy side are less qualifies in metallurgy and architecture than any of the volunteer technicians that worked on locating numbered beams and cross members.

I wanna know how we faked the three plane crashes into the buildings. Was this done with a big movie screen> where we projected the planes onto the buildings.


I ws on I84 after coming from New HAven We left early and I didnt wanna screw with the NY traffic so I went around. I almost got to the PA turnpike and was looking forward to a Cinnabon at the Pa turnpike entrance. Suddenly, about 8:30 the Howard Stern show began reporting that a plane hit the WTC and for the next half hour it was this horrible accident It was seen and heard by millions. We stopped in the roadside restaurant and people were just gathered about the TV monitors. We stood there and watched as the second plane hit and everyone , said"Omigod its terrorism"

The seismic record is critical to you conspiracists, unfortunately, your version is fake . Hows that for credibility and "Scientists for Truth". It doesnt matter what means that your fellow conspiracists have used to arrive at your demented ends. Fortunately 70% of the US public are not nut-cases and can evaluate data objectively without faking and without any "spin" (like the bozo missile story at the Pentagon)
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 06:47 am
okie wrote:
Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

Although I live in the real world, I at least at one point in ,my life was able to, by a choice of will believe in it somewhat. No more.


Perhaps you need to try a little harder, as the real world does in fact exist. Believe it. Bi-Polar is kind of a tough road to go down, so I would suggest you choose the real pole in your life and go with it. Don't let the imaginary pole get the best of you.


I don't believe in you okie.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 07:36 am
farmerman wrote:
well, here we go again. Except this time its not magginkat as the yahoo but its another "butt for brains" named freedom4free.
Thefact that 30% of the US population believes its an inside job is what I find plausible. Weve never been considered a country with an excess of brainpower anyway...



Well, there are people like yourself who blindly trust/worship/have complete faith/ without ever questioning the Bush administration, and there are those who have been following the news carefully for the last 5 years.

Why should people believe you ?

Why should people blindly believe Bush about 911 ?

When they already know :

The Bush administration's lies, deception and misleading statements moral clarity, honesty and integrity.

Quote:
General News Reports
List of Bush & Staff Lies
Clarence Swinney, Liberal Slant, 13 February 2003
Bush's Top Ten Flip-Flops
CBS News, 28 September 2004
Evidence is growing that the Bush administration has misled the public
The Economist, 1 April 2004
Bush is still promising $20B for New York — but has only budgeted $11B
Paul Krugman, New York Times, 8 February 2002
Bush backs away from campaign pledge to acknowledge Armenian genocide
Michael Doyle, Record Searchlight, 25 April 2001
Nobody believes Bush never planned to eliminate the offices for AIDS and race relations
Jessica Reaves, Time, 9 February 2001
Commentary
Does Bush think we won't notice his contradictions?
Gregory Stanford, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, 24 July 2004
Lies of Our Times
Tom Engelhardt, Mother Jones, 21 June 2004
Bush's incredible definition of credibility
William Saletan, Slate, 14 April 2004
When secrecy protects a lie
Walter Cronkite, Denver Post, 4 April 2004
Washington Pinocchios and the Lifting of the Veil
Manuel Valenzuela, Axis of Logic, 30 March 2004
Bush & the L-Word
Nat Parry, Consortium News, 29 March 2004
Want facts? Don't ask the White House
Leonard Pitts Jr., Detroit Free Press, 3 March 2004
Serial Liar Bush Finally Gets Caught
Bill Gallagher, Niagara Falls Reporter, 17 February 2004
Madness and Mendacity
Edwy Plenel, Le Monde (in Truthout), 20 February 2004
W's Reality Gap
Mark Green, AlterNet, 20 February 2004
Is Bush a Pathological Liar?
David Corn, LA Weekly, 5 December 2003
To tell the truth is not George W. Bush's game
Ed Garvey, Madison Capital Times, 29 April 2003
Threats, Promises and Lies
Paul Krugman, New York Times (in The Smirking Chimp), 25 February 2003
Is W. the Biggest Liar Since LBJ?
P.M. Carpenter, History News Network, 24 February 2003
Bush's Life of Deception
Sam Parry, ConsortiumNews, 4 November 2002
Diagnosing Dubya
Carol Wolman, M.D., Counterpunch (in The Smirking Chimp), 2 October 2002
Lies That Led to War
The Bush Administration's Public Statements on Iraq
Report prepared at the request of Rep. Henry A. Waxman
Bush Flip Flops on Iraq
Compiled in Compassiongate
Linking Saddam Hussein with al Qaeda (below)
Joseph Wilson, the Niger Forgery, and Valerie Plame below)
Also see Richard Clarke (separate page)

Bush Wanted To Invade Iraq If Elected in 2000
Russ Baker, Guerrilla News Network, 27 October 2004
US gave date of war to Britain in advance, court papers reveal
Colin Brown, Independent UK, 27 October 2004
Iraq Evidence 'Manipulated,' Inquiry Finds
Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times (in Truthout), 22 October 2004
Former CIA chief says Iraq war was wrong
Editor & Publisher (in Truthout), 21 October 2004
Thinktank: invasion aided al-Qaida
Richard Norton-Taylor, The Guardian, 20 October 2004
The 45-minute claim was false
Marie Woolf, Independent UK, 13 October 2004
Rewriting history to justify the Iraq war
Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball, Newsweek, 6 October 2004
Bush and Blair's case for war is demolished
Independent UK, 7 October 2004
No weapons, no programmes: nothing to justify the invasion
Rupert Cornwell, Independent UK, 7 October 2004
New report calls intelligence in Iraq nuclear program 'questionable'
AFP, 4 October 2004
Skewed Intelligence Data in March to War in Iraq
David Barstow, New York Times (in Truthout), 3 October 2004
Record shows Bush shifting on Iraq war
Marc Sandalow, San Francisco Chronicle, 29 September 2004
Key Bush Assertions About Iraq in Dispute
Adam Entous, Reuters, 26 September 2004
U.N.: Iraqi Drones Were No Threat
Colum Lynch, Washington Post, 5 September 2004
They Knew Iraq Claims Were Weak
David Sirota and Christy Harvey, In These Times, 3 August 2004
High Qaeda Aide Retracted Claim of Link With Iraq
Douglas Jehl, New York Times, 30 July 2004
Claim of 400,000 bodies in Saddam-era graves is untrue
Peter Beaumont, London Observer, 18 July 2004
Blair and Bush 'Should Have Realised Pre-War Truth on Wmd'
Gavin Cordon, The Scotsman, 18 July 2004
Decoding the Senate Intelligence Committee Investigation on Iraq
Andrew Rosenthal, New York Times, 18 July 2004
Defectors' Reports on Iraq Arms Were Embellished, Exile Asserts
Jim Dwyer, New York Times, 9 July 2004
Cheney Had No New Data on Saddam, Al Qaeda - Panel
Reuters (in Truthout), 6 July 2004
How a baseless conspiracy theory took the U.S. to war
Peter Bergen, The Guardian, 5 July 2004
We Knew at the Time the War Began that Iraq Did Not Possess WMD
Jude Wanniski, History News Network, 5 July 2004
Marine colonel, not Iraqis, spurred toppling of Saddam statue
Los Angeles Times (in the Seattle Times), 4 July 2004
CIA Felt Pressure to Alter Iraq Data, Author Says
Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times (in Truthout), 1 July 2004
Source for claim Saddam trained al Qaeda agents retracts his story
Michael Isikoff, Newsweek, 5 July 2004 issue
Gore: Bush Lied About al-Qaida, Iraq Link
Liz Sidoti, Associated Press, 24 June 2004
CIA: No Iraqi Officer Link in al-Qaida Meeting
Knut Royce, Newsday (in Truthout), 22 June 2004
Intelligence experts cast doubt on ties between Iraq, al-Qaida
Jonathan S. Landay, Knight-Ridder, 21 June 2004
It Depends What the Meaning of "Relationship" Is
Fred Kaplan, Slate, 17 June 2004
About the Alleged Ties Between Saddam and Osama
White House website, New York Times, and TalkingPointsMemo.com, quoted in History News Network, 19 June 2004
No Link Between Osama and Saddam? Who Knew?
Eric Alterman, Center for American Progress (in Truthout), 17 June 2004
No Evidence of Mohammed Atta Meeting With Iraqi
James Risen, New York Times, 17 June 2004
Official verdict: White House misled world over Saddam
Andrew Buncombe, Independent UK, 17 June 2004
Iraq lies, A-Z
Independent UK, 1 June 2004
Can't find Iraqis taped in arms plot, Powell says
Mark Matthews, Baltimore Sun, 27 May 2004
Bush Administration statements on Iraq, then and now
USA Today, 25 May 2004
'Re-enlist or we'll send you to Iraq': Recruiting pitch called scare tactic
Tim Jones and Michael Kilian, Chicago Tribune (in The Smirking Chimp), 24 May 2004
Video Shows Iraq Wedding Celebration at Site of U.S. Bombardment
Scheherezade Faramarzi, Associated Press (in the The Guardian), 23 May 2004
Lawmakers: Bush Bypassed Congress on Military Spending
Dan Morgan, Washington Post, 11 May 2004
What Bush said as the Iraq prison scandal unfolded
William Saletan, Slate, 5 May 2004
Bob Woodward documents Bush's war secrets
CBS News, 18 April 2004
America quietly sacks its prize witness against Saddam
Patrick Cockburn, Independent UK, 17 April 2004
Powell: Some Iraq testimony based on 'flawed' intelligence
CNN, 3 April 2004
Powell Not Sure Iraq Trailers Were Labs
Barry Schweid, Associated Press, 2 April 2004
Iraqi defector behind America's WMD claims exposed as 'out-and-out fabricator'
Andrew Gumbel, Independent UK, 29 March 2004
White House 'exaggerated extent of WMD breakthrough'
Rupert Cornwell, Independent UK, 26 March 2004
Iraq war wasn't justified, U.N. weapons experts say
CNN, 22 March 2004
Iraqi exile group fed news media false information
Jonathan S. Landay and Tish Wells, Knight Ridder, 15 March 2004
Tip alleging Iraqi bioweapons never confirmed
Walter Pincus, Washington Post, 5 March 2004
Hans Blix Says Iraq War Was Unfounded
Associated Press (in Truthout), 24 February 2004
The New Pentagon Papers
Karen Kwiatkowski, Salon (in Truthout), 10 March 2004
Exposing Bush’s talking-points war
Marc Cooper, LA Weekly, 20 February 2004
C.I.A. Admits It Didn't Give Weapon Data to the U.N.
Douglas Jehl and David E. Sanger, New York Times, 21 February 2004
Weapons 'Capacity' of Iraq Challenged
Charlie Savage, Boston Globe (in Truthout), 17 February 2004
White House rhetoric on Iraq threat sometimes at odds with intelligence
Walter Pincus and Dana Priest, Washington Post (in the Detroit News), 7 February 2004
British intelligence chief's bombshell: 'We were overruled on dossier'
Paul Waugh, Independent UK, 4 February 2004
The Lie Factory
Robert Dreyfuss and Jason Vest, Mother Jones, January/February 2004
US officials knew in May 2002 Iraq possessed no WMD
Peter Beaumont, Gaby Hinsliff and Paul Harris, London Observer, 1 February 2004
Iraqi who gave British intelligence WMD claim says it was untrue
David Leigh and Richard Norton-Taylor, The Guardian, 27 January 2004
Bush Appears to Back Down on Arms Claim Against Iraq
David E. Sanger, New York Times (in Truthout), 28 January 2004
Democrat Challenges Bush on Iraqi Intelligence Lapse
Douglas Jehl, New York Times, 16 January 2004
Bush was demanding excuse to invade Iraq in January 2001, says ex-treasury secretary
Andrew Gumbel, Independent UK, 12 January 2004
Spies, Lies, and Weapons: What Went Wrong
Kenneth M. Pollack, The Atlantic, January/February 2004
Rice: No Evidence Iraq Moved WMD to Syria
Associated Press (in The Guardian), 9 January 2004
White House Faulted on Uranium Claim
Walter Pincus, Washington Post, 24 December 2003
Saddam Was Held by Kurdish Forces, Drugged and Left For U.S. Troops
Agence France-Presse (in Truthout), 20 December 2003
Senators were told Iraqi weapons could hit U.S.
John McCarthy, Florida Today (in Truthout), 15 December 2003
Pentagon and Bogus News: All Is Denied
Eric Schmitt, New York Times, 5 December 2003
US under pressure to back claims over Iraq firefight
Phil Reeves, Independent UK (in Truthout), 4 December 2003
CIA Admits Lack of Specifics on Iraqi Weapons Before Invasion
Agence France Presse (in Truthout), 30 November 2003
Neocons Leak Bad Intelligence
Jim Lobe, AlterNet, 20 November 2003
Satellite Link Allows White House to Bypass TV Networks, Provide Propaganda Direct to Local News Stations
Mike Allen, Washington Post, 15 November 2003
Rumsfeld Retreats, Disclaims Earlier Rhetoric
Eric Rosenberg, Ocala Star Banner, 9 November 2003
Critics say John Bolton has exaggerated weapons threats from other countries
Sonni Efron, Los Angeles Times (in the Boston Globe), 10 November 2003
Analyst: White House Lied on Iraq
Donna Jackel, The Democrat and Chronicle (in Truthout), 20 October 2003
Media Banned from Reporting on Returning Coffins
Dana Milbank, Washington Post (in Truthout), 21 October 2003
Henry Waxman speech: 'They Lied'
Rep. Henry Waxman, D-CA, in Truthout, 16 October 2003
Former Powell aide says Powell knew information in UN speech was false
CBS News (in Truthout), 15 October 2003
Bush's Decision to Invade Iraq Happened Days after September 11th
Daily Mislead, 6 October 2003
Report Offered Bleak Outlook About Iraq Oil
Jeff Gerth, New York Times, 5 October 2003
New Criticism on Prewar Use of Intelligence
Carl Hulse and David E. Sanger, New York Times, 29 September 2003
Defense Intelligence Agency Belittles Information Given by Iraq Defectors
Douglas Jehl, New York Times, 29 September 2003
How the Bush administration's propaganda machine distorts the truth in the Middle East and at home.
Jennifer L. Buckendorff, Salon, 29 September 2003
US paid $1m for 'useless intelligence' from Chalabi
Andrew Buncombe, Independent UK, 30 September 2003
House Intelligence Committee: U.S. 'Had No New Evidence of WMD' in Iraq
Edward Alden, Financial Times, 28 September 2003
Documentary asserts WMD contradictions by White House officials
Paul Mulvey, Australian News, 23 September 2003
Blix: 'Iraq War Not Justified'
Agence France-Presse (in Truthout), 18 September 2003
Cheney Repeats Refuted Claims to Defend U.S. Actions in Iraq
Dana Milbank and Walter Pincus, Washington Post, 15 September 2003
Wolfowitz Shifts Rationales on Iraq War
Michael Dobbs, Washington Post (in Truthout), 12 September 2003
AP Staffer Fact-Checks Powell's UN Speech
Editor & Publisher, 9 September 2003
The War in Iraq is Not Over and Neither Are the Lies to Justify It
Stephen Zunes, CommonDreams, 8 September 2003
The Bush Administration's Top 40 Lies about War and Terrorism
Steve Perry, Minneapolis City Pages (in CommonDreams), 30 July 2003
The Bush Deceit
Peter D. Zimmerman, Washington Post, 14 July 2003
The Truth Meter
Suzanne Blanchard, PhillyBurbs.com, 7 August 2003
Impeachable offenses
Belva Ann Prycel, Lincoln County Weekly, 7 July 2003
Bush team united Iraq front unravels
Michael Moran, MSNBC, 11 July 2003
U.S. Gave Inaccurate Iraq Picture, Ex-Intel Official
Tabassum Zakaria, Reuters, 9 July 2003
Bush Misled US Into Iraq War--An Official Finding?
David Corn, The Nation, 26 June 2003
Expert Said to Tell Legislators He Was Pressed to Distort Some Evidence
James Risen and Douglas Jehl, New York Times, 25 June 2003
CIA deliberately misled UN arms inspectors, says senator
Rupert Cornwell, Independent UK, 18 June 2003
Exposed: Blair, Iraq and the great deception
Ben Russell, Independent UK, 18 June 2003
A mission in Iraq built on a lie
Robert Manne, Sydney Morning Herald, 16 June 2003
Norwegian Weapons Inspector: US Lied About Iraq's Weapons
Aftenposten (English translation), 19 May 2003
U.S. Said to Twist Its Data on Iraq
John J. Lumpkin, Associated Press (in Truthout), 8 June 2003
Spies threaten Blair with 'smoking gun' over Iraq
Kim Sengupta and Andy McSmith, Independent UK, 8 May 2003
Hussein Bunker, Bombed at Outset of War, Never Existed
CBS News (in Truthout), 28 May 2003
Marine commander says intelligence on Iraqi weapons was wrong
Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times (in the Detroit News), 31 May 2003
WMD Just a Convenient Excuse for War, Admits Wolfowitz
David Usborne, Independent UK (in Truthout), 30 May 2003
Bush Officials Change Tune on Iraqi Weapons
Alan Elsner, Reuters (in Truthout), 14 May 2003
Anthrax, chemicals and nerve gas: who is lying?
Andrew Gumbel, Independent UK, 20 April 2003
The uprising that wasn't, mythical chemical weapons and other items of 'breaking news'
Paul Peachey, Independent UK, 29 March 2003
Linking Saddam Hussein with Al Qaeda
Post-invasion Hussein letter warning of jihadists contradicts US claims of Iraqi - al Qaeda ties
James Risen, San Francisco Chronicle, 14 January 2004
Powell Admits No Hard Proof in Linking Iraq to Al Qaeda
Christopher Marquis, New York Times (in Truthout), 9 January 2004
Report: Iraqi Agent Denies Meeting with 9/11 Hijacker
Reuters (in Truthout), 14 December 2003
DoD Statement on News Reports of Al Qaeda and Iraq Connections
press release, Department of Defense, 15 November 2003
CIA Still Finds No Evidence Saddam Tried To Arm Terrorists: Report
Agence France-Presse (in Truthout), 17 November 2003
Defense Dept. memo allegedly proving a link between Al Qaeda and Saddam does nothing of the sort
Michael Isikoff and Mark Hosenball, Newsweek, 19 November 2003
Cheney ties Iraq bombings to al-Qaeda
Eric Schmitt, The Age, 12 November 2003
Iraq, 9/11 Still Linked By Cheney
Dana Priest and Glenn Kessler, Washington Post, 29 September 2003
Cheney link of Iraq, 9/11 challenged
Anne E. Kornblut and Bryan Bender, Boston Globe (in The Smirking Chimp), 16 September 2003
CIA had doubts on Iraq link to al-Qaida
Suzanne Goldenberg, The Guardian, 10 June 2003
Ambassador Joseph Wilson, the Niger Forgery, and Valerie Plame
The Serious Implications Of President Bush's Hiring A Personal Outside Counsel For The Valerie Plame Investigation
John W. Dean, FindLaw, 4 June 2004
Leak Prosecutor Seeks To Question Reporters
Susan Schmidt, Washington Post, 15 May 2004
Cheney staff accused of role in CIA leak
Mark Memmott, USA Today, 29 April 2004
Prosecutors Are Said to Have Expanded Inquiry Into Leak of C.I.A. Officer's Name
David Johnston and Richard W. Stevenson, New York Times, 2 April 2004
Karl Rove admits spreading story of Valerie Plame's CIA role
Murray S. Waas, American Prospect (in Truthout), 8 March 2004
Air Force One Phone Records Subpoenaed
Tom Brune, Newsday, 5 March 2004
Leaks Probe Is Gathering Momentum
Mike Allen and Dana Milbank, Washington Post, 26 December 2003
Naming of agent 'was aimed at discrediting CIA'
Edward Alden, Financial Times (in Truthout), 25 October 2003
Senior Federal Prosecutors and F.B.I. Officials Fault Ashcroft Over Leak Inquiry
David Johnston and Eric Lichtblau, New York Times, 16 October 2003
Outing Plame Is More Damaging than All Other American Scandals
Andrew M. Schocket, History News Network, 13 October 2003
Legal Aspects of the Plame Scandal
John W. DeanFindLaw, 10 October 2003
Bush Aides Will Review Leak Notes Before Turning Them Over to the FBI
David Jackson, Dallas Morning News (in Truthout), 7 October 2003
John Conyers Calls For Rove's Resignation Over Leak Accusations
letter (in Truthout), 7 October 2003
Of Lies and Leaks: Bush Threatened By New Revelations
David Corn, The Nation (in Truthout), 4 October 2003
More vicious than Tricky Dick
John W. Dean, Salon (in Truthout), 3 October 2003
Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm
Walter Pincus and Mike Allen, Washington Post (in Truthout), 4 October 2003
Poll: 70% want independent probe of leak
Dana Milbank and Mike Allen, Washington Post (in Truthout), 2 October 2003
Leak of Agent's Name Causes Exposure of CIA Front Firm
Walter Pincus and Mike Allen, Washington Post (in Truthout), 4 October 2003
Bush Aide Accused of CIA Leak
Julian Borger, The Guardian (in Truthout), 1 October 2003
Leak Accusation Stirs White House
Greg Miller, Los Angeles Times (in Truthout), 30 September 2003
Bush Administration Is Focus of Inquiry into Leaking of CIA Agent's Identity
Mike Allen and Dana Priest, Washington Post (in Truthout), 28 September 2003
Bush officials who leaked name of US spy 'for revenge' could face jail
Andrew Buncombe, Independent UK, 29 September 2003
C.I.A. Seeks Inquiry Into Naming of an Operative
New York Times, 28 September 2003
White House Probed Over Leak of CIA Undercover Agent's Identity
CBS News, 28 September 2003
The Niger connection: what we know, what we don't know, and what we may never be told
Andrew Buncombe and Ben Russell, Independent UK, 10 July 2003
What I Didn't Find in Africa
Joseph C. Wilson 4th, New York Times (in Truthout), 6 July 2003
Lies About Administration Policies
Caught on film
Bush does photo ops in which he claims to support economic and social programs — then cuts the budget for those programs.
Words, Actions at Odds on Children's Health Care
Ceci Connolly, Washington Post, 25 September 2004
How the Bush Administration Used 9-11 to Advance Its Agenda
Prof. Marilyn Young, History News Network, 6 September 2004
State Dept. underreports worldwide terrorist attacks for political gain
Josh Meyer, Los Angeles Times (in the San Francisco Chronicle), 9 June 2004
2006 Cuts In Domestic Spending On Table
Jonathan Weisman, Washington Post, 27 May 2004
Official Says He Was Told To Withhold Medicare Data
Amy Goldstein, Washington Post, 13 March 2004
White House Removes Climate Change Data from Report by the E.P.A.
Andrew C. Revkin with Katharine Q. Seelye, New York Times, 19 June 2003
Lies, Damned Lies, and Bush's Tax-Cut Statistics
David E. Rosenbaum, New York Times, 25 February 2003
GAO Report Contradicts Bush Claim that Environmental Laws Hamper Military
Associated Press (in Truthout), 10 July 2002
George W's bloody folly
Jonathan Freedland, The Guardian, 26 June 2002
You’re Shocked W Flip-Flopped on Free Trade?
P.M. Carpenter, History News Network, 11 March 2002
Democrats: Bush broke prescription promise
CNN, 2 March 2002
Democrats: Bush's Education Budget Is Less Than Promised
Robert Pear, New York Times, 13 February 2002
Bush quotes Dorothy Day to support his plans that she would have opposed
Joan Walsh, Salon, 22 May 2001
Letter from Dorothy Day's daughter and granddaughter, condemning Bush's distortion of her message and mission
Worldwide terrorism-related deaths on the rise
Robert Rivas and Robert Windrem, MSNBC, 2 September 2004
Lies from the BushCheney04 Campaign
Lies, Damned Lies, and Convention Speeches
Fred Kaplan, Slate, 2 September 2004
GOP Prism Distorts Some Kerry Positions
Glenn Kessler and Dan Morgan, Washington Post, 3 September 2004
Bush's dubious terror alerts
Bill Berkowitz, Working for Change, 19 August 2004
Bush praises American Indian housing program but plans deep cuts
Associated Press (in the Billings Gazette, 13 August 2004
July Surprise
John B. Judis, Spencer Ackerman & Massoud Ansari, New Republic (in Truthout), 8 July 2004
Bush Campaign Rhetoric Makes Hay Out of Straw Men
Dana Milbank, Washington Post, 1 June 2004
White House Is Trumpeting Programs It Tried to Cut
Robert Pear, New York Times, 19 May 2004
If Bush wants to compare flip-flops with Kerry—Bring it on!
Mick Youther, Intervention, 25 March 2004
President Bush applies the Powell Doctrine to running for re-election
Michael Kinsley, Slate, 23 March 2004
Bush Campaign Photo-Op Crowd Didn't Speak English
Paul Vitello, Newsday (in Truthout), 12 March 2004
Bush Misrepresents Kerry's Record on Intelligence Budget
Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank, Washington Post, 12 March 2004

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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 07:50 am
The fact that you are willing to characterize FM as being a blind follower of the Shrub, simply because he doesn't buy into your wild conspiracy theory, is glaring evidence of the extent to which you are blinded by your obsession.
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squinney
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 08:20 am
I dunno - remember that dumb "deer in the headlights" look when Bush was told about the second plane? He just sat there looking stupid.

Ya really wanna give him that much credit f4f? To be able to pull off such a scam and keep it under wraps all this time? The 9/11 Commission has already reported that he couldn't even scramble a plane to intercept the PA flight when there was plenty of time to do so. They've already reported that they know NORAD lied about the timing of the supposed scramble.

You're giving Bush way too much credit by saying he planned the whole thing!

He may have known it was gonna happen (which he did) and didn't stop it, but he certainly couldn't have pulled off anything this big through his own planning.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 12:31 pm
Among the 9/11 memes popular with the tinfoil hat brigade is that somehow the conspiracy prevented the interception of the highjacked planes. Following the end of "The Cold War", the decades-long practice of having interceptor fighter aircraft and strategic bombers at "Ready Alert" and available for "Scramble" was discontinued, as an economy measure under the Clinton Administration, due to its enormous cost and intensive manpower requirements. A plane which is fully armed, connected to ground power, its avionics and weapons systems on, calibrated, and operating, fuel and hydraulic systems pressurized, engines preheated, and sitting ready at the launch end of a runway can be in the air a couple minutes after it has been manned, yes. It also requires more or less constant attention from a fairly sizeable groundcrew, and of course, there must be aircrew already rigged into flight gear.

A plane powered down and in a hanger or revetment is another proposition altogether. Lacing into a G-Suit, Mae West, and an amazing assortment of other flight gear takes aircrew a little time. Cold-starting a modern fighter also is considerably more complicated, detail-critical, and time-consuming than just jumping in and turning a key, even assuming the fighter might be parked, contrary to prudent practice and regulation, with its guns and missle racks loaded. I was quite impressed any mission-ready fighters were "on scene" as quickly, if futiley, as they were. That was one hell of a job of "Rapid Response". Since 9/11, fortunately, interceptors once again are maintained at the ready at selected airbases - nowhere near as many as had been the case during the Cold War, but some now are there if ever again needed.

Another bit of conspiracy silliness is that Flight 93 was shot down, and that an "unmarked mystery aircraft" was observed "tracking Flight 93" then circling the crash site. The true part of that is a plane was observed circling the crash site. Upon losing radar and communications contact with Flight 93, Air Traffic Control requested a nearby corporate jet, a Dassault Falcon 20 leased to Mitre Corp (for conspiracy fans, a company owned by Warren Buffet's conglommerate), following a registered flightplan and at that time preparing to enter the landing pattern at nearby Johnstown airport, to divert toward Flight 93's last known position and attempt to determine the status of the missing aircraft. The Falcon 20 arrived on scene several minutes following the crash, reported an apparent large aircraft crash site, with emergency vehicles on scene and/or enroute, then, per established proceedure was released from its ATC-requested diversion, cleared the area, returned to Johnstown approach, and landed. That sequence of events is confirmed by Air Traffic Control tapes, by the operations log of the Mitre Corp. Falcon 20, and by subsequent testimony of that aircraft's flight crew.
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Sat 19 Aug, 2006 12:53 pm
Setanta wrote:
The fact that you are willing to characterize FM as being a blind follower of the Shrub, simply because he doesn't buy into your wild conspiracy theory, is glaring evidence of the extent to which you are blinded by your obsession.


That does not answer my question.

Why should we trust farmerman who blindly supports Bush & co, who had lied to us about WMD (and hundreds of other lies) ?

Once a liar always a liar. Why do you people trust a liar ?
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