Revolution

hmmm creative input.....

here's a few lines...(not exactly related to war....but...i think it belongs here... Smile

)

Walk away!

When they look at us
We see the innocence in their eyes
When they giggle
We hear the innocence in the rhythm
-that fades away-
But this innocence
It will not take them through the day
This innocence
It will not save their lives
The truth is:
We are all passer bys'
We simply look
And walk away

(from a fate that could be ours?)

*****************

ps. Endy, I really hope you weren't serious about shutting the thread thingy... Shocked

(homes come in many forms!)

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Hi Naima

http://msnbcmedia3.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/070630/070630_hongKong_hmed7p.h2.jpg

tolling the bell

Upside down
***********

In saffron and orange
they walked the land
and drew thousands
to their golden temple

Many wept to see
the ancient begging bowl
turned upside down
A tragedy

Striking a monk to his knees
To the ground
in savagery

Shooting a man
cold in the chest
innocent men
put under arrest

In saffron and orange
they walked the land
carrying their sign
A poor man's bowl
turned over
by a rich man's crime

Endymion 2007

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Hello Endy,

How true....

one by one...they all go upside down....

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lostnsearching wrote:

hmmm creative input.....

here's a few lines...(not exactly related to war....but...i think it belongs here... )

Walk away!

When they look at us
We see the innocence in their eyes
When they giggle
We hear the innocence in the rhythm
-that fades away-
But this innocence
It will not take them through the day
This innocence
It will not save their lives
The truth is:
We are all passer bys'
We simply look
And walk away

(from a fate that could be ours?)

*****************

Naima, you are the real poet here

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Thanks Endymion

I relinquish my claim on your thread now Smile

Double standards are a double edged sword.

I do not think you need to stop posting your opinions here or even in the political forums but you should not squelch others for doing the same.

And what is really wrong with a good political discussion as long as it is the spirit of truth that is at the heart of the motivation of all?

But there again not unlike pacifism not every one is seeking the spirit of truth but some seek partisan truth only to fit their special interests and to justify their own form of totalitarianism.

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Blame Me

If you need someone to blame
For the tears that are cried
Someone to accuse for deceiving and lies
Someone to lay at their door
All the troubles they devise
Well you can blame me

Blame me for loving you too much,
Blame me for a feeling you can't even touch
For trying to make you see
Blame me for not letting you take responsibility
I will take the blame for you baby you can blame me

Sometimes our fears are too hard to face
And we need a place to find comfort in
A place to feel artificial belief
Like leaf on a great tree in the wind by the rivers of hope
So if you can cope with what you need
And you can live and if you must bleed
I am a friend who will lay down for a fool
'Till the raging is done
I will take the blame for you, so blame me

Blame me for loving you too much
Blame me for a feeling you can't even touch
For trying to make you see
Blame me for not letting you take responsibility
I'll take the blame for you
You can blame me

If you need someone to blame
For the tears that are cried
Someone to accuse for deceiving and lies
Someone to lay at their door
All the troubles they devise
Well you can blame me
So if you can cope with what you need
And you can live and if you must bleed
I am a friend who will lay down for a fool
'Till the raging is done
I will take the blame for you
It's my fault,

Blame me, blame me, blame me, blame me...

RexRed

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Don't thank me Rex
It's not for you

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Endymion wrote:

Don't thank me Rex
It's not for you

A typical self serving liberal response.

And you wonder why there are fu**ing wars?

Because of you and your empty soul...

Do you ever take the blame for anything?

No, you are evidently too busy blaming others for your own faults.

Stew in the poison from your own "original writing" pen.

There is nothing original about pure hate...

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Endy

Here is some creative input in "revolutionary times"...

I wonder what pompous conceit gave you the idea that I was seeking YOUR approval?

But you on the other hand evidently seek the approval and other men and women.

This makes you a servant to their truth and a sell out to truth in general and thus unreliable. You post the words of others seeking their approval and the recognition of others to read what you have written. You seek the treasures of this world instead of laying up spiritual treasures in heaven. You are a drone to the slight of hand and the doctrines of men and women rather than a servant of the holy spirit.

I on the other hand seek solely the approval of God. If God approves then I stand approved before God as God is my witness.

2 Tmothyi 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Comment: You may say I am quoting what other men and women have written, but men and women alone did not write the Bible.

2Peter 1:21
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 6:20
But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

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RexRed wrote:

msolga wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I am a pacifist at heart just like you but I also balance that pacifism with some common horse sense...

Right now Iraq is stable for the most part, the surge seems (take and hold strategy) to have worked .....

As a "pacifist" you surely could not have supported the opportunistic & unwarranted invasion of Iraq by the US & it's coalition partners?

Iraq is "stable" right now? You have an interesting understanding of stability which I & many others, I'm sure, would find rather baffling.

And the "surge" has worked? You really think so? I'd be fascinated to hear your arguments in support of this, in-depth! ... but please, on your own "politics" thread, not here. (That is the best place to debate contentious political issues, as you'd know. I'm absolutely certain you'll get lots on interesting feedback & debate!)

In anticipation to visiting your new thread in the politics forum soon, Rex.

NOW LOOK WHO IS TRYING TO SILENCE THE OPPOSITION!!! This is my new thread! I have claimed it I am your "revolution" for the law of liberty! If you don't know what the law of liberty is then you are too busy spreading your terror to stop and understand the SPIRIT of TRUTH!

Whatever, Rex ...

Me, I read this thread for information about issues & campaigns I am interested in ... when I want debate I go to the debate threads.

But by all means, post as much as you want. What you are saying is not exactly new or startling to me or anyone else here interested in politics(quite the opposite). Seems to me your sole purpose here is to derail the intention of this thread. But hey, I'm not about to stand in the way of your crusade for the SPIRIT OF TRUTH! :wink:

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Rex Red wrote:

Quote:

I on the other hand seek solely the approval of God. If God approves then I stand approved before God as God is my witness.

"Judgement is mine,"
so sayeth the Lord
As he stands at the gate
and wields his great sword
O'er the heads of the faithful who
brandished his word
As a weapon against nonbelievers-

In their efforts to purify
their own brand of Eden
they set limits on love
and defined "true believing"
as only what they knew
forgetting, not heeding
their God created and loves
"the WHOLE world".

And they say, "You stay out-
only You may come in,
Based on their own perceptions
of what's righteous and what's sin
They celebrate war and
decry calls for peace
And they say, "We are Christians-
the world's moral police"-
And they say, "WE are right-
and you-you are wrong-
And in doing so they
distort their own Christ's true song,
breeding hate, condemnation and
strife where belong
what he taught-
of Forgiveness and Mercy.

LOVE IS ALWAYS REVOLUTIONARY- Andrei Voznesensky

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RexRed wrote:

Endymion wrote:
Don't thank me Rex
It's not for you

A typical self serving liberal response.

And you wonder why there are fu**ing wars?

Because of you and your empty soul...

Do you ever take the blame for anything?

No, you are evidently too busy blaming others for your own faults.

Stew in the poison from your own "original writing" pen.

There is nothing original about pure hate...

The only hate around here is coming off you Rex - and it's toxic

I tried to to be reasonable and you took that and threw it back at me

And no - it's not for you that I've decided to make this CREATIVE WRITING ONLY

The really sickening thing about what you've done here is the disrespect you show YOUR God by behaving like a vindictive, jealous and mean hearted individual.

Telling someone they have no soul?

Man, you've never heard me on the bass guitar -

and before you get your knickers in a twist over this post and start all over again - i just want you to know Rex -

I don't much care what you think

If you take this thread and turn it into your own monument to your self

I've got better things to do than listen to you whine

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msolga wrote:

RexRed wrote:
msolga wrote:
RexRed wrote:
I am a pacifist at heart just like you but I also balance that pacifism with some common horse sense...

Right now Iraq is stable for the most part, the surge seems (take and hold strategy) to have worked .....

As a "pacifist" you surely could not have supported the opportunistic & unwarranted invasion of Iraq by the US & it's coalition partners?

Iraq is "stable" right now? You have an interesting understanding of stability which I & many others, I'm sure, would find rather baffling.

And the "surge" has worked? You really think so? I'd be fascinated to hear your arguments in support of this, in-depth! ... but please, on your own "politics" thread, not here. (That is the best place to debate contentious political issues, as you'd know. I'm absolutely certain you'll get lots on interesting feedback & debate!)

In anticipation to visiting your new thread in the politics forum soon, Rex.

NOW LOOK WHO IS TRYING TO SILENCE THE OPPOSITION!!! This is my new thread! I have claimed it I am your "revolution" for the law of liberty! If you don't know what the law of liberty is then you are too busy spreading your terror to stop and understand the SPIRIT of TRUTH!

Whatever, Rex ...

Me, I read this thread for information about issues & campaigns I am interested in ... when I want debate I go to the debate threads.

But by all means, post as much as you want. What you are saying is not exactly new or startling to me or anyone else here interested in politics(quite the opposite). Seems to me your sole purpose here is to derail the intention of this thread. But hey, I'm not about to stand in the way of your crusade for the SPIRIT OF TRUTH! :wink:

Ditto

The very same can be mirrored right back at most of you here.

Belittle the truth and you reduce your own significance.

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Endymion wrote:

RexRed wrote:
Endymion wrote:
Don't thank me Rex
It's not for you

A typical self serving liberal response.

And you wonder why there are fu**ing wars?

Because of you and your empty soul...

Do you ever take the blame for anything?

No, you are evidently too busy blaming others for your own faults.

Stew in the poison from your own "original writing" pen.

There is nothing original about pure hate...

The only hate around here is coming off you Rex - and it's toxic

I tried to to be reasonable and you took that and threw it back at me

And no - it's not for you that I've decided to make this CREATIVE WRITING ONLY

The really sickening thing about what you've done here is the disrespect you show YOUR God by behaving like a vindictive, jealous and mean hearted individual.

Telling someone they have no soul?

Man, you've never heard me on the bass guitar -

and before you get your knickers in a twist over this post and start all over again - i just want you to know Rex -

I don't much care what you think

If you take this thread and turn it into your own monument to your self

I've got better things to do than listen to you whine

It seems your hatred has fulled you with bile...

Words of Mass Destruction

I dreamed I was an atom bomb
Humans forged me from the tiniest of particles
They dropped me down onto the ground and ignited my fuse.
Within me electrons collided and an enormous cloud of evil energy emerged out from my soul
This energy split the atom and suddenly out of this broken atom poured a tempest of the sun's flairs
The flames rose up into the clouds and rained fallout and radiation down upon the earth's inhabitants
Suddenly the earth began to writhe and die and I felt that I had been used to cause so much harm
For I had not known that I could by a single word and deed become a killing machine, an implement of death and hardship
That with one push of my button I could be triggered and transformed
From a saintly source of clean energy into a messenger of death
That the sun which brings life could be reversed and used inside me to undo the creation of life
As the world cried and died at my feet I knew that life was it's own worse enemy
Only many years of time would heal the damage done by my own ignorance

The message of this dream is that no matter how small a matter our own words have a detrimental effect upon the world.
Even the least of sentiments can grow out from the heart and become a hardship for the people living around us
That the fallout from our actions can radiate out,
Be felt and cause harm for many years to come.
Unholy energy can burn and blight the world with its force and fiery hatred
And that idle words though thought insignificant are the greatest weapon of mass destruction.

RexRed
10/3/07

Endy you have confirmed my suspicions about your bitter, careless feelingness, loveless intent. You wouldn't know "original writing" if your life depended upon it.

Endy I wouldn't mind hearing you play bass.

It would certainly be better than what I read you posting daily...

Your words subtract from the talents God has given you.

I tried to bring you back toward the light but you seem to want to remain in darkness stumbling along through life without a purpose or real meaningful exchange of words and ideas.

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To Any Brits
Who Are Thinking Of Marching
This Coming Monday

If someone thinks that love and peace is a cliché that must have been left behind in the Sixties, that's his problem.
John Lennon

"The Government has decided to ban a peaceful march called by the Stop the War Coalition on 8 October. The protest has been called to demand all the troops withdrawn from Iraq immediately. The police have said all protests within one mile of Parliament are now prohibited. This is an affront to democratic rights and contradicts the Prime Minister's commitment to liberalising protest laws. We urge the authorities to review this decision."
Stop the war Coalition

"A protest demanding all the troops out now is of national significance. To try and stop that protest is a major interference with free speech. The march should go ahead whether it is formally permitted or not."
Walter Wolfgang, Labour Party NEC

Apparently, the Stop The War Coalition have been inundated with telephone calls from all around the country - people are outraged at the House of Commons ban (go back a couple of pages for details) -

"It's becoming remarkably hard to escape the feeling we're ruled by people who are basically paranoid authoritarian incompetents."
Iain Banks, author

which makes me think of something else John Lennon said

"Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it."
John Lennon

Encouragingly, the Guardian are publishing the letter to be handed in to the House at the opening of parliament on Monday 8th October.

I've marched a few times now and I know this demonstration is important. It's about Iraq and Afghanistan and our soldiers still out there, true.
Ben Griffin (who refused his orders in Iraq- the first time ever in British history of the SAS) will be among those leading the march to bring our troops home.
If you've been reading a long for a while, you may remember me speaking of him before. I was there when he sent a message to Tony Blair, "It's not your God you'll answer to - It is us."

Here's his message to Mr Brown

"Gordon Brown cannot praise protesters in Burma and then ban a protest in London. I will be protesting on Monday, regardless of whether Police permission is granted."
Ben Griffin (ex SAS trooper)

And before folk judge him - remember, when he called the war in Iraq 'Illegal' - said that our Government had 'lied about the conduct of the war' and refused his orders, he had expected to be called a coward, to be court martial and imprisoned after making what he described as "the most difficult decision of my life."

Instead, he was discharged with a testimonial describing him as a "balanced, honest, loyal and determined individual who possesses the strength of character to have the courage of his convictions".

****

The march on Monday is about whether we should be following current US foreign policy. True.
But it is also about us, the people of Britain. Do we wish to being our troops home and out of harms way? Do we wish to show our disgust at the conduct of this war?
Do we wish to keep our civil liberties? And will we be in a better position to protect the innocent if we do?

Good luck if you make it there.
John Lennon also said

"If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace."

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/images/stories/flyer_oct08_300px.gif

"It is depressing that our democratic rights are being whittled away bit by bit. We will look back and wonder how this happened. They wouldn't get away with this in one go. First an arrest for reading names, then a ban on marches. What will be next?"
Benjamin Zephaniah, poet

What indeed.
I have no doubts in my mind that our troops are ready and need to come home. The Tories have just called Brown a coward for not calling a snap election - but I'm glad - an election would only distract from what needs to be done - and that is for the Labour Party and Tony Blair to be called to account for this bloody mess we find ourselves in.

I think of Sassoon's letter written all those years ago - but so apt today. Along with Kipling who wrote "If any question why we died, Tell them, because our fathers lied".

"I am making this statement as an act of wilful defiance of military authority, because I believe that the war is being deliberately prolonged by those who have the power to end it. I am a soldier, convinced that I am acting on behalf of soldiers. I believe that this war, upon which I entered as a war of defence and liberation, has now become a war of aggression and conquest. I believe that the purposes for which I and my fellow-soldiers entered upon this war should have been so clearly stated as to have made it impossible to change them, and that, had this been done, the objects which actuated us would now be attainable by negotiation. I have seen and endured the sufferings of the troops, and I can no longer be a party to prolong these sufferings for ends which I believe to be evil and unjust. I am not protesting against the conduct of the war, but against the political errors and insincerities for which the fighting men are being sacrificed. On behalf of those who are suffering now I make this protest against the deception which is being practiced on them; also I believe that I may help to destroy the callous complacence with which the majority of those at home regard the continuance of agonies which they do not share, and which they have not sufficient imagination to realise."

Siegfried Sassoon
WWI

If you really want to support the troops - please help bring them home - they've been put through enough **** for the wrong reasons - now bring them home for the right ones.

The hidden scars of war:
http://www.mfaw.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=364&Itemid=28

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/media/images/disp/Arezzo/Photo1.jpg

A British soldier after an intense firefight in Basra, taken by Michael Yon 2007

"On 8 October MPs will return from their summer break. Gordon Brown is widely expected to make a statement on Iraq to the House of Commons.
The Stop the War Coalition supported by Military Families Against the War are organising a mass demonstration and lobby outside Parliament for that day. We invite all our supporters to attend.
British troops have been withdrawn from their last base in Basra City and are now based at Basra Airfield outside of the city. A deal negotiated with the militias has seen an end to attacks but around 350 British troops have been re-deployed to the border with Iran - where a British soldier was killed this month. If the deal with the militias breaks down or If tensions with Iran escalate British troops will again be vulnerable to attack.
The only reason for our continued presence in Iraq is to provide political cover for George Bush and his failed "surge".
It is essential that the troops are brought home as a matter of urgency and are no longer part of the continuing American occupation of Iraq.
It is time MPs got the message - Bring All the Troops Home Now!"
Military Families Against The War

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/mirror/apr2003/7/0/0005F2DF-475F-1E93-AF6080C328EC0000.jpg

British army doctor treats horrifically injured Iraqi child in Basra

"The government want to bury the issue of their disastrous war. They will not succeed. We will be marching in our thousands on Monday."
Lindsey German, Convenor Stop the War Coalition

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How about posting some pictures of Al Qaeda gloating over your little propaganda war march? A few beheadings of innocent people and their promise to follow the UK soldiers HOME!!!!

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You post any more political **** in this forum and I will report you for abuse of the policy terms!!

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You want to bury the consequences of if we cut and run!

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Rights? the democrats want to silence Rush Limbaugh and what will be next an amendment to the bill of rights and free speech? That soldier volunteered to fight the war! You don't have to fight it yourself but you should not aid the enemy by demeaning his sacrifice...

I hope Al Qaeda picks your own home to bomb first when they arrive at a town near you...

Wussyfists!

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Again you post any more of your bilge here and I will report you for sure. Go post in the political forums like all the other big boys and girls do...

There is nothing "original" about your hate filled PARTISAN writing towards our troops it is purely POLITICAL propaganda it belongs in the forum entitled LIES!

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