Revolution

Rex - do you have something positive to say? Or are you just hell bent on disrupting this thread?

http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2887672#2887672

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I see you're from Maine- do you know of Stephen King? I wonder have you read any of his books?


Misery for instance?

Rex, I haven't got the foggiest idea what you are talking about - sorry- and i'm starting to wonder what your real problem is.

I'm going to ask you to step back, Rex, okay?

Your language and personal attacks are no longer acceptable to me

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before you answer with the usual, please think about what you say very carefully

Maybe we can come to some compromise - maybe not - but i'm not talking to you if you're just going to spew out insults which quite frankly don't belong here.

Endymion, I know where you live, IN THE UK and (and now so do all of my radical right wing friends on here who also live in the UK). Do you like misery? Is this a PERSONAL ATTACK on me? You better think very carefully what you write next...

How do you like your very own words thrown right back at you? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots.

RexRed wrote:

Endymion, I know where you live, IN THE UK and (and now so do all of my radical right wing friends on here who also live in the UK). Do you like misery? Is this a PERSONAL ATTACK on me? You better think very carefully what you write next...

How do you like your very own words thrown right back at you? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots.

Endy
You need to report this guy. He's hijacked your thread and gone way beyond the limit of a member of a2k.

Endy
You need to report this guy. He's hijacked your thread and gone way beyond the limit of a member of a2k.

Rex, before you answer with the usual, please think about what you say very carefully

I have a question for you Endy.

Since you have trashed this original writing thread with your politics...

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Are you as anti-war as you are anti-Jihad? Do you prefer a war in the name of God or a war in the name of liberty and freedom?

What a question. That's like asking if you'd rather be stricken with lung cancer or a brain tumor.

The point of this thread is to disseminate truth about a situation that is affecting the entire world.

Even if this war was effectively achieving its goal- which you seem to believe is liberty and freedom- it was entered into on a foundation of lies and falsehoods. The activities and motives of those involved have reflected that sad fact from the very beginning.
This is not a justified, righteous war, Rex. This is a vendetta and/or a bid to harness natural resources. And I don't care how Christian you believe yourself and George Bush and the American nation to be- no one with any sense of reality can paint it any other way any longer with any hope of being believed to be unblinkered by patriotism and/or judged sane.

I personally, would not have even one child die to protect my American liberty and freedom. Seriously. I've thought long and hard about it, and I'd rather die or be enslaved myself than see one innocent child- Iraqi or otherwise- lose his or her life in my name. That's why I'm against this war.

I don't know how George Bush and Tony Blair go to sleep at night- knowing what they have wrought in Iraq. I'm not excusing Sadaam Hussein- but he was responsible for his mess- and now there are others responsible for this one.

This thread is about information- and about justice and injustice. It's necessary. And you should stop your personal vendetta Rex- it isn't Christian- and it's not based on the premises that America was founded on either. Endy has a right to speak and write what he believes and pursue happiness in whatever way he sees fit.
As an American, don't you believe that?

Make your own thread disseminating the information that you deem true and important- that's the American way to approach this.

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Study: 1 out of 4 homeless are veterans By KIMBERLY HEFLING, Associated Press Writer
26 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - Veterans make up one in four homeless people in the United States, though they are only 11 percent of the general adult population, according to a report to be released Thursday.

And homelessness is not just a problem among middle-age and elderly veterans. Younger veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan are trickling into shelters and soup kitchens seeking services, treatment or help with finding a job.

The Veterans Affairs Department has identified 1,500 homeless veterans from the current wars and says 400 of them have participated in its programs specifically targeting homelessness.

The National Alliance to End Homelessness, a public education nonprofit, based the findings of its report on numbers from Veterans Affairs and the Census Bureau. 2005 data estimated that 194,254 homeless people out of 744,313 on any given night were veterans.

In comparison, the VA says that 20 years ago, the estimated number of veterans who were homeless on any given night was 250,000.

Some advocates say the early presence of veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan at shelters does not bode well for the future. It took roughly a decade for the lives of Vietnam veterans to unravel to the point that they started showing up among the homeless. Advocates worry that intense and repeated deployments leave newer veterans particularly vulnerable.

"We're going to be having a tsunami of them eventually because the mental health toll from this war is enormous," said Daniel Tooth, director of veterans affairs for Lancaster County, Pa.

While services to homeless veterans have improved in the past 20 years, advocates say more financial resources still are needed. With the spotlight on the plight of Iraq veterans, they hope more will be done to prevent homelessness and provide affordable housing to the younger veterans while there's a window of opportunity.

"When the Vietnam War ended, that was part of the problem. The war was over, it was off TV, nobody wanted to hear about it," said John Keaveney, a Vietnam veteran and a founder of New Directions in Los Angeles, which provides substance abuse help, job training and shelter to veterans.

"I think they'll be forgotten," Keaveney said of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans. "People get tired of it. It's not glitzy that these are young, honorable, patriotic Americans. They'll just be veterans, and that happens after every war."

Keaveney said it's difficult for his group to persuade some homeless Iraq veterans to stay for treatment and help because they don't relate to the older veterans. Those who stayed have had success ?- one is now a stock broker and another is applying to be a police officer, he said.

"They see guys that are their father's age and they don't understand, they don't know, that in a couple of years they'll be looking like them," he said.

After being discharged from the military, Jason Kelley, 23, of Tomahawk, Wis., who served in Iraq with the Wisconsin National Guard, took a bus to Los Angeles looking for better job prospects and a new life.

Kelley said he couldn't find a job because he didn't have an apartment, and he couldn't get an apartment because he didn't have a job. He stayed in a $300-a-week motel until his money ran out, then moved into a shelter run by the group U.S. VETS in Inglewood, Calif. He's since been diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder, he said.

"The only training I have is infantry training and there's not really a need for that in the civilian world," Kelley said in a phone interview. He has enrolled in college and hopes to move out of the shelter soon.

The Iraq vets seeking help with homelessness are more likely to be women, less likely to have substance abuse problems, but more likely to have mental illness ?- mostly related to post-traumatic stress, said Pete Dougherty, director of homeless veterans programs at the VA.

Overall, 45 percent of participants in the VA's homeless programs have a diagnosable mental illness and more than three out of four have a substance abuse problem, while 35 percent have both, Dougherty said.

Historically, a number of fighters in U.S. wars have become homeless. In the post-Civil War era, homeless veterans sang old Army songs to dramatize their need for work and became known as "tramps," which had meant to march into war, said Todd DePastino, a historian at Penn State University's Beaver campus who wrote a book on the history of homelessness.

After World War I, thousands of veterans ?- many of them homeless ?- camped in the nation's capital seeking bonus money. Their camps were destroyed by the government, creating a public relations disaster for President Herbert Hoover.

The end of the Vietnam War coincided with a time of economic restructuring, and many of the same people who fought in Vietnam were also those most affected by the loss of manufacturing jobs, DePastino said.

Their entrance to the streets was traumatic and, as they aged, their problems became more chronic, recalled Sister Mary Scullion, who has worked with the homeless for 30 years and co-founded of the group Project H.O.M.E. in Philadelphia.

"It takes more to address the needs because they are multiple needs that have been unattended," Scullion said. "Life on the street is brutal and I know many, many homeless veterans who have died from Vietnam."

The VA started targeting homelessness in 1987, 12 years after the fall of Saigon. Today, the VA has, either on its own or through partnerships, more than 15,000 residential rehabilitative, transitional and permanent beds for homeless veterans nationwide. It spends about $265 million annually on homeless-specific programs and about $1.5 billion for all health care costs for homeless veterans.

Because of these types of programs and because two years of free medical care is being offered to all Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, Dougherty said they hope many veterans from recent wars who are in need can be identified early.

"Clearly, I don't think that's going to totally solve the problem, but I also don't think we're simply going to wait for 10 years until they show up," Dougherty said. "We're out there now trying to get everybody we can to get those kinds of services today, so we avoid this kind of problem in the future."

In all of 2006, the National Alliance to End Homelessness estimates that 495,400 veterans were homeless at some point during the year.

The group recommends that 5,000 housing units be created per year for the next five years dedicated to the chronically homeless that would provide permanent housing linked to veterans' support systems. It also recommends funding an additional 20,000 housing vouchers exclusively for homeless veterans, and creating a program that helps bridge the gap between income and rent.

Following those recommendations would cost billions of dollars, but there is some movement in Congress to increase the amount of money dedicated to homeless veterans programs.

On a recent day in Philadelphia, case managers from Project H.O.M.E. and the VA picked up William Joyce, 60, a homeless Vietnam veteran in a wheelchair who said he'd been sleeping at a bus terminal.

"You're an honorable veteran. You're going to get some services," outreach worker Mark Salvatore told Joyce. "You need to be connected. You don't need to be out here on the streets."

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Associated Press writer Kathy Matheson contributed to this story from Philadelphia.

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On the Net: National Alliance to End Homelessness: http://www.naeh.org/

New Directions: http://www.newdirectionsinc.org/

Project Home: http://www.projecthome.org/

County of Lancaster: http://www.co.lancaster.pa.us/

Veterans Affairs Department: http://www.va.gov/

U.S. Vets: http://usvetsinc.org/

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