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PROPAGANDISTIC RHETORIC

 
 
Shapeless
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:25 am
Lash wrote:
By censuring use of this word, it seems we are saying Islamic people are incapable of fascist governments.


No one, I take it, is suggesting that we censure use of the word. The point is that the word, like any word (but especially words having to do with political appellation) should be used with some regard to its definition. Definitions evolve, of course, but there is a difference between an evolving definition and a misused one.

Some historians contend that the word "fascism" has already been distorted beyond recognition, as it is now often used to describe any authoritarian state. In the case of the Italian fascismo movement, the term did not simply involve notions of authoritarian rule but also economic policy based on a rejection of Marxist socialism. By shedding the term of its specificity and applying it to any totalitarian regime, it is now not uncommon to see the Soviet Union described as fascist, despite the stark differences between Mussolini's and Lenin's economic ideologies. (Which is not to deny similarities between the two states as well, but as Set mentioned, the indiscriminate use of the term only serves to obscure these nuances and simply regard both states as "not like us.")

What is being described in this thread is a further distortion of the term whereby not even authoritarian rule is a necessary definition; these days the word "fascism" is being used simply as a synonym for terrorism.

Setanta wrote:
We are right back to the old cold war situation of declaring: "He may be a son-of-a-bitch, but he's our son-of-a-bitch.


I was refraining from mentioning the Cold War because the current situation is very, very much a hot one, but the Cold War tactics are indeed quite transparent: paint your enemies with the most vicious brush you can find for the purpose of riling everyone against them. If you know the other side is fascist, you know all you need to know; just hand me my gun.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:49 am
I'm comfortable with calling them Islamic Terrorists.
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Lash
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:50 am
Very Happy
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:55 am
I'm comfortable with calling Timothy McVeigh a Christian Terrorist.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 11:57 am
Don't forget our old buddy Eric Rudolph . . . goddamned Christiano-fascist terrorists . . .
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:03 pm
dyslexia wrote:
I'm comfortable with calling Timothy McVeigh a Christian Terrorist.


Setanta wrote:
Don't forget our old buddy Eric Rudolph . . . goddamned Christiano-fascist terrorists . . .


Yep, I agree ... and I condemn both of their actions in the strongest of terms. Now, in what way does that distinguish me from most Islamic groups that decry the "Islamic-fascist" label on their terrorist brethren?






(Let me know if you need a hint.)
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:14 pm
From what I've read McVeigh never claimed to be a christian...in fact he stated he was agnostic.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:18 pm
Brand X wrote:
From what I've read McVeigh never claimed to be a christian...in fact he stated he was agnostic.


I'm comfortable calling him an Agnostic Terrorist.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:19 pm
Keep you sophomoric games to yourself, Tico, and try to keep on topic. Nowhere in this thread has anyone suggested that: most Islamic groups that decry the "Islamic-fascist" label on their terrorist brethren--the entire burden of this thread has been my objection to the use of the term. I am not a Muslim, nor am i an Islamic Group.

If you want to start a thread in which you whine about Muslims who complain about other Muslims being labelled islamo-fascists, help yourself--you can be assured that i will not attend.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:27 pm
Setanta wrote:
Keep you sophomoric games to yourself, Tico, and try to keep on topic. Nowhere in this thread has anyone suggested that: most Islamic groups that decry the "Islamic-fascist" label on their terrorist brethren--the entire burden of this thread has been my objection to the use of the term. I am not a Muslim, nor am i an Islamic Group.


Are you on any medication right now that's causing you to suffer this reading comprehension problem? I recall you having difficulty in the past, but it seems exacerbated today for some reason.

Set wrote:
If you want to start a thread in which you whine about Muslims who complain about other Muslims being labelled islamo-fascists, help yourself--you can be assured that i will not attend.


It wounds me deeply to hear that, Set. You know you're one of my favs.

But I likely won't. I can't see myself starting a thread just to whine about something ... like a particular term I don't like, or something whiny like that.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:29 pm
Given that i never see you do anything here but whine about what others post, i find that hilarious.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:32 pm
Brand X wrote:
From what I've read McVeigh never claimed to be a christian...in fact he stated he was agnostic.

Then you need to read some more:

Quote:
Timothy McVeigh professed his present belief in "a God" in a recorded interview with Time Magazine.[4][citation needed] The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter claiming to be an agnostic, but no text of such a letter (or tangible proof of its existence) has been published or made public in any medium.[5] McVeigh accepted the Sacrament of Extreme Unction from a priest of the Roman Catholic Church shortly before his death, and he had been visited by a priest during his time in prison but expressed his wish to keep the details of his beliefs private.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:34 pm
So we get to call old Timmy an Islamo-Catholic-Presbyterian-Fascist?
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yitwail
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:35 pm
Brand X wrote:
From what I've read McVeigh never claimed to be a christian...in fact he stated he was agnostic.


you probably confused him with Jeffrey Dahmer, who, as Gungasnake has pointed out frequently, was an evolutionist before he was apprehended & converted to Christianity. Evo-fascist, that's much easier to say than Islamo-fascist. if GWB speechwriters pick that up, remember, i coined it. Razz
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:40 pm
Setanta wrote:
So we get to call old Timmy an Islamo-Catholic-Presbyterian-Fascist?


I'm comfortable with that.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:41 pm
Who gives a rat's ass what you're comfortable with, Whiner?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:48 pm
Setanta wrote:
Who gives a rat's ass what you're comfortable with, Whiner?


I don't give a rat's ass who gives a rat's ass what I'm comfortable with, Tubby.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:53 pm
Dookiestix wrote:
Brand X wrote:
From what I've read McVeigh never claimed to be a christian...in fact he stated he was agnostic.

Then you need to read some more:

Quote:
Timothy McVeigh professed his present belief in "a God" in a recorded interview with Time Magazine.[4][citation needed] The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter claiming to be an agnostic, but no text of such a letter (or tangible proof of its existence) has been published or made public in any medium.[5] McVeigh accepted the Sacrament of Extreme Unction from a priest of the Roman Catholic Church shortly before his death, and he had been visited by a priest during his time in prison but expressed his wish to keep the details of his beliefs private.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh


Damn christian, he shouldn't have bombed that building in the name of his religion.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 12:58 pm
So Big Bunny, does this mean that you'd object to calling him a Christiano-fascist terrorist? How about Rudolph?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 01:02 pm
Setanta wrote:
So Big Bunny, does this mean that you'd object to calling him a Christiano-fascist terrorist? How about Rudolph?


I'm comfortable with calling them both "Christiano-fascist terrorists."
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