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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 06:57 am
For all those nutties out there who beleive that Bush bombed us...was the UK in on it then too?

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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 08:05 am
Clearly, the claims the Brits are making may well be accurate. The earlier train/subway attacks did happen.

On the other hand, stay tuned. They also did mow down someone totally innocent of even suspicious connections.

And, as we know from here, governments can, for perceived political gains, either greatly magnify or lie regarding some great success in securing the nation.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 10:24 am
blatham wrote:
Clearly, the claims the Brits are making may well be accurate. The earlier train/subway attacks did happen.

On the other hand, stay tuned. They also did mow down someone totally innocent of even suspicious connections.

And, as we know from here, governments can, for perceived political gains, either greatly magnify or lie regarding some great success in securing the nation.

Hey, it's an election year. Republicans saw what happened in Connecticut, and the Fear Factor is in full swing now.

Like clockwork.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 10:39 am
It's awful convienent how those terrorists plan there killings... It's terrible they didn't get away with it instead and killed a lot of people just to make the libs happy.
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 10:47 am
McGentrix wrote:
It's awful convienent how those terrorists plan there killings... It's terrible they didn't get away with it instead and killed a lot of people just to make the libs happy.

It seems more convenient to use this knee jerk line of thought, as neoconservatives so often do, to make the assinine comment that libs would be happy if Americans were killed.

Like when Ann Coulter accuses 9/11 widows of dancing on the graves of their husbands.

Pathetic.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 11:57 am
Dookiestix wrote:
McGentrix wrote:
It's awful convienent how those terrorists plan there killings... It's terrible they didn't get away with it instead and killed a lot of people just to make the libs happy.

It seems more convenient to use this knee jerk line of thought, as neoconservatives so often do, to make the assinine comment that libs would be happy if Americans were killed.

Like when Ann Coulter accuses 9/11 widows of dancing on the graves of their husbands.

Pathetic.


I guess I am confused by the knee-jerk response from people like you whenever anything like this happens. Instead of being happy that some terrorist plan has been thwarted, it becomes some sinister plan by the "neo-cons" to instill fear.

Perhaps you can explain to me what you meant when you wrote:

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Hey, it's an election year. Republicans saw what happened in Connecticut, and the Fear Factor is in full swing now.

Like clockwork.


Was this event just another plan by Bush to hold power like 9/11 was (in the opinion of people like you)?
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 12:05 pm
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It's terrible they didn't get away with it instead and killed a lot of people just to make the libs happy.

You crossed the line with that unbelievably stupid statement. Therefore, I can't imagine what more could be said that would contribute to your delusional line of thinking.

Where did I say that Bush planned 9/11? Or are you once again full of it?
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Dookiestix
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 02:45 pm
Ahh, the politicization of this "terror" threat.

Listen to this moron as he continues to exploit on the fears of Americans:

http://static.crooksandliars.com/2006/08/bush-terror.jpg

With a whopping 35% approval rating, it's no wonder that these neocon war mongerers will do whatever is necessary to hang on to power. Forget that fact that 60% of Americans want out of Iraq. Forget that fact that a majority of Americans disagree with Bush's war in Iraq. Forget the fact that Bush's own security advisors have pointed out that invading Iraq has made us far LESS safe.

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Josh Marshall spells it out:

President Bush just said the events in London are "a stark reminder that this nation is at war with Islamic fascists." Also a pretty stark reminder that President Bush's War on Terror, the way he's chosen to fight it, is at best irrelevant to combatting this sort of danger. These are homegrown Brits apparently trying to blow up planes over the Atlantic. Good thing we've got a 150,000 or so troops in Iraq to take the fight to them.

Ivo:

read on

This is why liberals despise Bush and his policies, especially how he is fighting this war on terror. And his minions will once again trot out the tired old mantra that those who question Bush's policies are terrorist sympathizers and apologists. We've heard from the likes of Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage, Beck, and the rest of the lunatic rightwing wingnuts who must politicize this for all it's worth as their party and it's policies go down the shitter.

Bush should take a deep, hard look in the mirror and realize where the fascism truly lies.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 02:54 pm
Bush and Blaire think it's best to thwart an attack before it starts or before anyone does anything - or before someone even THINKS about doing something. Arrest and indict every looney-toon before they have a chance to change their minds.
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Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 02:59 pm
I just like the word "thwart".
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freedom4free
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 03:00 pm
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TERRORISM: PAKISTANI INTELLIGENCE HELPED THWART AIRCRAFT BOMB PLOT


London, 10 London (AKI) - Pakistan's intelligence agencies were involved helping the British authorities foil a terror plot to blow up several passenger planes between Britain and the United States, highly placed sources in Pakistan told Britain's Times newspaper on Thursday. The agencies have been working closely with British anti-terror police, monitoring "for some time," the activities of suspected terrorists, many of whom have links with Pakistan-based Islamist militant groups" the Times said.



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Canadians don't buy into British "terror" plot

I don't get it. It takes many months of investigation to uncover this plot, and only after the plot is thwarted and 18 arrested, do they radically tighten up the carry-on baggage policy.



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British Lose Their Minds

In the back of my mind I worry that this threat might be trumped up in order to divert attention from the disastrous US and British policy (or lack of policy) in Lebanon. More likely, we have an informant in the UK that identified a potential plot that was in the dreaming stage but had not progressed to actual implementation. Rather than act like security professionals, the Brits are acting like panicked nannies. Very sad.



Terror 'may force freedom curbs'

Here's your motive for the latest booga booga. You British folks reading this; if you let them get away with this swindle, you will get the dictatorship you deserve.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 05:16 am
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Only Muslim families can stop this infamy
(Filed: 11/08/2006)


For anyone sanguine enough to believe that the July 7 terrorist atrocities last year were simply an aberration, yesterday's events must have disabused them. Once again we learnt that British-born Muslim fanatics are prepared to commit slaughter on a mass scale in the name of jihad. The apparently successful thwarting of a plot to blow up transatlantic aircraft with bombs fabricated aboard the planes is a sorely needed success for Scotland Yard and MI5 following the controversial Forest Gate raid and the tragedy of the killing of the innocent Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes. We are all too ready to criticise them when they get it wrong, but we must understand their need to act decisively on the intelligence they receive.

The terrorist strategy of combining suicide bombing with easily concealed explosive ingredients is not new. It first surfaced in 1995, in a suspected al-Qa'eda plot when nitroglycerine was carried aboard a plane in the Philippines in containers for contact-lens solution. What is new is the scale of the alleged plot, with as many as 10 aircraft being targeted, in which thousands of people could have perished. This has led America's Homeland Security Secretary, Michael Chertoff, to offer the view that it is ''suggestive of an al-Qa'eda plot''. The British authorities are wisely more reticent, stressing that their investigation is at an early stage.

What is not open to doubt is that most, if not all, of the 21 arrested suspects are British-born Muslim youths, most of them of Pakistani ethnic origin, and even one white, middle-class convert to Islam. After the July 7 bombings, Tony Blair called Muslim leaders together in Downing Street for a summit. Its purpose was to encourage the ''Muslim community'' to foster a climate that would prevent young Muslims becoming so radicalised that they are prepared to blow themselves and their fellow citizens to smithereens. Too late, of course. The global loathing for the United States and its ally, the United Kingdom, has helped corrupt the minds of a generation of disaffected young Muslims - a process speeded by extremist clerics who, in far too many cases, have been allowed to come and go with impunity.


And what precisely is this ''Muslim community''?

Is it represented by Khurshid Ahmed, a member of the Commission for Racial Equality, who yesterday expressed his shock that young Muslims could be involved in such a plot and voicing relief that they had been apprehended? Or is it represented by Fahad Ansar of the Islamic Human Rights Commission, who depicted the operation as a cynical ploy by the Government aimed at ''diverting attention away from its policy in the Middle East''? In truth, there is no such thing as a single ''Muslim community''. The Muslim Council of Britain is held by the Government to be the authentic voice of this frequently disparate group, which hails originally from at least a dozen different countries. But is it? A trenchant analysis - When Progressives Treat With Reactionaries - written by Martin Bright, the political editor of the Left-wing New Statesman, concludes: ''The Government has chosen as its favoured partner an organisation that is undemocratic, divisive and unrepresentative of the full diversity of Muslim Britain.'' Too frequently, its leaders depict as mainstream what most people would describe as extreme. Its stand against terrorism has been muted.

For any government grappling with a problem of such dangerous complexity, this may be an understandable mistake. It is time it was rectified. Alienated young Muslims will not be won round by convening Downing Street seminars or sending out gimcrack road shows manned by the very community leaders for whom they have little but contempt. Of course, the Government must maintain a dialogue with all shades of Muslim opinion, but if ministers seriously believe that this will deter potential young terrorists, they are being alarmingly naïve.

In reality, this is not a job for government at all. The one thing that unites Muslims in this country is their respect for the family. It is the bedrock of their society, something that many in this country look at with envy, given the catastrophic social impact of family breakdown among other groups. The long march to win back disaffected Muslim youth must start in the home, and the neighbourhoods of which they are a part. This is not a problem that lends itself to top-down solutions. It has to start at the bottom, with a recognition that fathers and mothers, brothers, sisters and the extended family are the people most likely to spot, and most able to stop, emerging radicalism.

Meanwhile, the events of the past 36 hours have once again achieved the enormous disruption and uncertainty that is always a key element of the terrorist game plan. Air travel will became even more tiresome as security checks become ever more rigorous. There are also profound commercial implications for the way airports and airlines conduct their business. John Reid, the Home Secretary, rose to the occasion yesterday, speaking with quiet eloquence of the sheer evil of the plotters and the heinous nature of what they were attempting. He carefully avoided any note of triumphalism, despite what appears to have been an exemplary operation by the police and the security services. He also, quite rightly, warned against complacency. A wounded animal is always dangerous and, if this is an al-Qa'eda conspiracy, it means the days and weeks ahead will be perilous.


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