death prior to original sin

Well chumly, where exactly did you find a definition for everlasting life?

Obviously if there was a tree there that they could eat from and live forever, they couldn't do so UNLESS they ate of that tree.

So therefore, there WAS physical death before sin.

If there was human death prior to original sin, then how could it be as Neo says the "punishment for their sin was/is death" if death was already a given? Plus how could man have been threatened by death as punishment if he had not yet eaten from the tree of knowledge and thus could not know of death, as he was innocent?

well...I ask because if A&E were the 1st humans, how could there have been any human death before them?

Am I missing something?.....(scratching ass)

You have yet to provide any logical and/or congruent explanation as to why there was physical death before sin.

If there was human death prior to original sin, then how could it be as Neo says the "punishment for their sin was/is death" if death was already a given.

If there was not human death prior to original sin then man was immortal prior to original sin and thus the tree of life was not needed for immorality.

Simply saying there was a tree of life is not a merited rationale.

By what logic do you come to the conclusion that they could not live forever unless they ate from said tree?

If there was human death prior to original sin, then how could it be as Neo says the "punishment for their sin was/is death" if death was already a given? Plus how could man have been threatened by death as punishment if he had not yet eaten from the tree of knowledge and thus could not know of death, as he was innocent?

oh........ok hephzibah.........

you know, I gotta tell ya.......this doesn't have a thing in the world to do with you lovey.........





that's a bunch a bull dookey. you may quote me.

do you realize what that story would sound like if someone from another religion described this immortal khanuluka bush that if you ate of it their God Estlemato would let you live forever?

neologist wrote:

There is a difference between everlasting life and immortality. The separating word is trust.

What is your context for the separating word? If I lived forever (or whatever time from frame you wish to apply that would be the reasonable equivalent, given I question the concept of infinity in this context) everlasting life and immortality are equal to me.

Hi Heph,
Quoting scripture is not tantamount to logic and/or congruency. You have in fact not addressed my points at all vis-a-is logic and/or congruency.

If there was human death prior to original sin, then how could it be as Neo says the "punishment for their sin was/is death" if death was already a given.

If there was not human death prior to original sin then man was immortal prior to original sin and thus the tree of life was not needed for immorality.

Hi Neo,

Why would I need to prove myself trustworthy? What exactly am I needed to be trustworthy for? Why wouldn't god already know my person?

The mathematics of uncontrolled growth are frightening. A single cell of the bacterium E. coli would, under ideal circumstances, divide every twenty minutes. That is not particularly disturbing until you think about it, but the fact is that bacteria multiply geometrically: one becomes two, two become four, four become eight, and so on. In this way it can be shown that in a single day, one cell of E. coli could produce a super-colony equal in size and weight to the entire planet Earth.

Therefore it must be that prior to original sin man was immortal!

Have you forgotten so soon about the tree I told you not to eat of?


BZZZT!

Hi heph,

It's irrelative where the concepts came from, the point in fact is whether there is logic and/or congruency, that's the charm of critical thinking. It's something I challenge you to demonstrate thusly:

If there was human death prior to original sin, then how could it be as Neo says the "punishment for their sin was/is death" if death was already a given? Plus how could man have been threatened by death as punishment if he had not yet eaten from the tree of knowledge and thus could not know of death, as he was innocent?

If there was not human death prior to original sin then man was immortal prior to original sin and thus the tree of life was not needed for immorality.

Therefore it must be that prior to original sin man was immortal!

I then ask, if there was human reproduction pre-"original sin" then the world would very quickly have been wholly overrun run with people. Here's an example of uncontrolled growth

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The mathematics of uncontrolled growth are frightening. A single cell of the bacterium E. coli would, under ideal circumstances, divide every twenty minutes. That is not particularly disturbing until you think about it, but the fact is that bacteria multiply geometrically: one becomes two, two become four, four become eight, and so on. In this way it can be shown that in a single day, one cell of E. coli could produce a super-colony equal in size and weight to the entire planet Earth.

http://www.ugrad.math.ubc.ca/coursedoc/math100/notes/zoo/andromed.html

Before Adam and Eve sinned they had the prospect of living forever. That should be real easy to understand.

Adam and Eve both knew what death was because Adam had been around long enough to name the animals and observe that animals did, in fact, die.

As for whether they would overfill the earth, I refer you to my response to CI, above.