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Jesus Christ and Homosexuality.

 
 
Lightwizard
 
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Reply Wed 9 Aug, 2006 06:17 pm
Sure that's not whore de culture?
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Scott777ab
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 01:18 am
RexRed wrote:
neologist wrote:
Rex, I think you are using the word 'martyr' too broadly, though the persecution of any minority is repugnant to God.

Also, you would have a hard time overcoming the many scriptural references to the sinfulness of homosexual behavior included with such things as adultery, stealing and even murder.

Do you have a scriptural reference for your assertion that Paul declared masturbation to be acceptable?


1Co 7:9
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn [masturbate].
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 07:12 am
Although telegraphing is practically obsolete, RR can still telegraph outre meanings out of just about anything. He's vying for the championship of A2K for twisted semantics, logic and rationale.
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 10:02 am
Lightwizard wrote:
All embryos are identical in external appearance for the first eight weeks of gestation, and then several factors nudge the infant toward male or female development. In the seventh week, the embryo has both male and female primordial ducts. In the normal female fetus, the millerian duct system then develops into oviducts and a uterus. In the normal male fetus, the wolferian duct system on each side develops into the epididymis and vas deferens.


http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-28,GGLG:en&q=unborn+males+used+to+have+female+genitalia

Primordial ducts are not genitalia.


Yes, my mistake. I viewed a picture that looked supsiciously like a vagina, but I forgot that a hole does not a vagina make.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 06:44 pm
Scott777ab wrote:
RexRed wrote:
neologist wrote:
Rex, I think you are using the word 'martyr' too broadly, though the persecution of any minority is repugnant to God.

Also, you would have a hard time overcoming the many scriptural references to the sinfulness of homosexual behavior included with such things as adultery, stealing and even murder.

Do you have a scriptural reference for your assertion that Paul declared masturbation to be acceptable?


1Co 7:9
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn [masturbate].


Scott777ab wrote:
RexRed wrote:
neologist wrote:
Rex, I think you are using the word 'martyr' too broadly, though the persecution of any minority is repugnant to God.

Also, you would have a hard time overcoming the many scriptural references to the sinfulness of homosexual behavior included with such things as adultery, stealing and even murder.

Do you have a scriptural reference for your assertion that Paul declared masturbation to be acceptable?


1Co 7:9
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn [masturbate].


It takes only a bit of study to figure this out... Notice the word used in the Bible to physically burn something is a different word than to burn with passion... If unmarried people were to "burn" in hell there there was a word for physical burning this was Katakaio. Puroo was a word used for a burning of passion. Here are all the scriptures containting words translated "burn" in the NT.

Mt 3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up [Katakaio] the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Mt 13:30
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn [Katakaio] them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Lu 1:9
According to the custom of the priest's office, his lot was to burn incense [Thumiao] when he went into the temple of the Lord.

Lu 3:17
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and will gather the wheat into his garner; but the chaff he will burn [Katakaio] with fire unquenchable.

Lu 24:32
And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn [Kaio] within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

1Co 7:9
But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn [Puroo].

2Co 11:29
Who is weak, and I am not weak ? who is offended, and I burn [Puroo] not?
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery [Puroo] darts of the wicked.
Re 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned [Puroo] in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Re 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried [Puroo] in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.

Comment :The word tried is the same as the word "purged" [Puroo] and, masturbation, is also a burning or purging of emotions.

3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire [Puroo] shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat ?

Comment: The heavens being on puroo is like saying energy was burning...

Re 17:16
And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn [Katakaio] her with fire .

Comment: The beast shall eat her flesh and "burn" [Katakaio] her with fire. Why didn't God use the word "puroo" instead?
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Scott777ab
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 07:20 pm
Rex thank you for PROVING my point even further.

The word BURN has no connection to the word Masterbate.
THe verse you used would more likely indicate that if they did not marry they would end up in HELL BURNING.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 08:22 pm
Scott777ab wrote:
Rex thank you for PROVING my point even further.

The word BURN has no connection to the word Masterbate.
THe verse you used would more likely indicate that if they did not marry they would end up in HELL BURNING.


You haven't proven anything but bias.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 08:32 pm
Define the UNFORGIVABLE "sin"...
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Scott777ab
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 11:01 pm
RexRed wrote:
Define the UNFORGIVABLE "sin"...


You frist !

Cause if you think you can then your wrong once again.

There is nothing directly called the UNFORGIVALBE SIN except for Blashphy of the Holy Ghost.

So like I said, you frist.
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Scott777ab
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 11:01 pm
RexRed wrote:
Scott777ab wrote:
Rex thank you for PROVING my point even further.

The word BURN has no connection to the word Masterbate.
THe verse you used would more likely indicate that if they did not marry they would end up in HELL BURNING.


You haven't proven anything but bias.


Where do you get that I am being biased?
Really, and seriously.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Thu 10 Aug, 2006 11:04 pm
Rex Red-_What about Tolerance? All that gays want to do is to LOVE one another. What is wrong with that? Does not the Bible say- Love thy neighbor as thyself? Just because Gays cannot father a child, that does not mean they can't LOVE each other.

I don't like to talk about my personal life but I am dead set against the idiotic rules set down in our country by the fundamentalist Bush Administration. The rule should be HUMAN FREEDOM!!

What is wrong with that?
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real life
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 07:34 am
BernardR wrote:
Rex Red-_What about Tolerance? All that gays want to do is to LOVE one another. What is wrong with that? Does not the Bible say- Love thy neighbor as thyself? Just because Gays cannot father a child, that does not mean they can't LOVE each other.

I don't like to talk about my personal life but I am dead set against the idiotic rules set down in our country by the fundamentalist Bush Administration. The rule should be HUMAN FREEDOM!!

What is wrong with that?


Should there be any limits, social or legal, on sexual activity?

What should they be?

How, or by what process or using what criteria, did you determine what those limits are/should be?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 08:48 am
Fantastic Bernie, a person whom you agree on (real life) doesn't know that you're trolling, whereas all those that do know you're trolling are the ones that don't agree with you! Laughing
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Fri 11 Aug, 2006 02:05 pm
Bernie's tactics are so obvious it isn't difficult to see through them anymore than Saran Wrap. I'd laugh if he wrapped his head in Saran Wrap and went to play on the freeway.
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BernardR
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 01:30 am
I wrote:

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Rex Red-_What about Tolerance? All that gays want to do is to LOVE one another. What is wrong with that? Does not the Bible say- Love thy neighbor as thyself? Just because Gays cannot father a child, that does not mean they can't LOVE each other.

I don't like to talk about my personal life but I am dead set against the idiotic rules set down in our country by the fundamentalist Bush Administration. The rule should be HUMAN FREEDOM!!

What is wrong with that?

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And Mr. O'Donnell says I am trolling!!! Does he know my personal beliefs?

Is he saying that I don't believe in HUMAN FREEDOM?

Well,he will have to prove that! He can't of course!!!!

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What you don't seem to understand, Mr. O"Donnell, is that if you are for Human Freedom, you must be consistent! You must define what you mean by Human Freedom and if there are to be any constraints on HUMAN FREEDOM, you must indicate what they are and why they must be in place.

Again, I am for HUMAN FREEDOM. Does anyone have a problem with that?
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Wolf ODonnell
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 04:46 am
It is evident that you are trolling, Bernie, because your lists of famous homosexuals that "contributed" to society contain a lot of people that did not contribute (serial killers and criminals) and aren't famous. Not to mention the fact that you consistently equate homosexuality with paedophilia and bestiality, both of which many people are opposed to, because both impinge on the freedoms of others...

Paedophilia impinges on a child's freedom to have a childhood.
Bestiality impinges on an animal's freedom to not have sex against its will.
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 08:23 am
Right, Pedophelia and Beastiality which are just as likely to occur in the heterosexual community do not involve two intelligent consenting human adults, but rather a naive child or compleley clueless animal. That's the difference. The laws regarding 18 years or younger as statutory rape will not change because homosexuals are accepted as having sex by mutual consent as adults with emotional and intellectual decision only to be made by human beings. Nor will the laws against bestiality or even bigamy (something practiced by heterosexuals as there is actual marriage involved) change. The rest of BernieR's trolling is a slippery slope only he, among some other pea-headed politicians, are sliding down themselves.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 08:39 am
Lightwizard wrote:
Right, Pedophelia and Beastiality which are just as likely to occur in the heterosexual community do not involve two intelligent consenting human adults, but rather a naive child or compleley clueless animal. That's the difference. The laws regarding 18 years or younger as statutory rape will not change because homosexuals are accepted as having sex by mutual consent as adults with emotional and intellectual decision only to be made by human beings. Nor will the laws against bestiality or even bigamy (something practiced by heterosexuals as there is actual marriage involved) change. The rest of BernieR's trolling is a slippery slope only he, among some other pea-headed politicians, are sliding down themselves.


Yea, that! Hehe

LW, you're my favorite aardvark. Laughing
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Lightwizard
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 08:46 am
But that wasn't meant to be funny. It was dead serious. It's 7:45 AM here and I'm on my first coffee (Peet's Top Blend, of course) and I'm assuming the door of the asylum library is now unlocked and BernardR has access to the computer. We will be hearing from him soon. We could also stick a Loony Tunes cartoon into the DVD player which would be far more entertaining. Say, Bugs Bunny?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 12 Aug, 2006 09:09 am
The holy spirit (small h small s) is seed (born again, new birth). The holy spirit is not a "person" or erroneously translated "ghost", but it is inherent spiritual POWER/ENERGY. There is unholy seed also. This holy/unholy seed is also permanent. It cannot be removed once it has been implanted.

The holy seed is a GIFT. It is given by the Giver, God, to all who do one thing, believe in God and his son. This seed becomes our righteousness not our obedience to the law. Our earthly father put physical seed within us for as long as we live physically on this earth, we are his sons and daughters. God (our heavenly father) puts his spiritual seed within us for all eternity.

Thus the only "unforgivable sin" is to accept the devil's unholy spirit as SEED. Seed cannot be changed.

We are to love God with all our mind, body, soul and strength etc... there is one law. This law leads to the "gift" of the new birth and to eternal life.

The holy spirit is the gift of God and is not the result of our following the OT laws.

Jesus came to save the sinner from the multitude of OT laws. He did not come to those proud and self made.

Once born of holy spirit we will "always" STAND in the family of God as God's spiritual offspring but our STATE may fluctuate. (standing , state) [very important principle]

Nothing can separate us from the love of God, nothing can separate the "sons of Cain" from their unholy SEED...

The receiving of our holy spirit does not result from us confessing our sins to God... It is the result of us confessing God and his son from sin. (Confess, Jesus as lord [not ourselves] and believe God raised him from the dead, THOU SHALT BE SAVED). No mention of us confessing "our own sins" here, to receive the SEED of the holy spirit, one must only confess God and his son from sin...

The holy spirit is a means to our salvation and wholeness not a reward for it.

Salvation is of grace not of works.

Receiving the unholy SEED (you can only have one spiritual father) is the only UNFORGIVABLE sin today. Seed is permanent and this is both a law of nature and of the spirit...
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