Jesus Christ and Homosexuality.

RexRed wrote:

Lightwizard wrote:

Being gay is not necessarily "a behavior." Some of the outward, obvious manifistations, like the proverbial screaming queen can be a behavior.

Considering a pheromone can cause attraction, and hormones can chemically set up receptability of pheromones. Attraction is a behavior.

Your proof of this? I can find no reference to the tie in of hormones and pheromones except that pheromones are incorrectly identified as hormones. If there is a study which shows pheromones can be altered by changes in hormones, let's have it.

Which had nothing to do with pheromones being influence by hormones.

For instance, did you know that a male transvestite continues to excrete male pheremones despite the alteration of their sex organs and injection of female hormones?

For instance, did you know that a male transvestite continues to excrete male pheremones despite the alteration of their sex organs and injection of female hormones?

Gay males have different pheromones than straight males. Gay males prefer the pheromones of other gay males in blind fold studies.

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/ap_050510_pheremones.html

Gaydar works! :wink:

Of course, I meant transsexual (need more coffee and stop rushing to get down to open the gallery) and although I agree that gay males can more readily respond to other gay male's pheromones, it still doesn't link it to hormones. Also, a gay male will likely respond to a transsexual's pheromones despite all the injections of female hormones.

RexRed wrote:

Gay males have different pheromones than straight males. Gay males prefer the pheromones of other gay males in blind fold studies.

http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/ap_050510_pheremones.html

Gaydar works! :wink:

No, it doesn't, because the human nose is not sensitive enough to pick up these pheromones. The only case where I can imagine it would work were if the gay males were sweating a lot.

I have have many transsexual and transvestite friends and I met them cold turkey. I knew in a few seconds and it wasn't the environment of a gay bar, et al. Your gaydar needs serious repair.

Of course, I meant transsexual (need more coffee and stop rushing to get down to open the gallery) and although I agree that gay males can more readily respond to other gay male's pheromones, it still doesn't link it to hormones. Also, a gay male will likely respond to a transexua'ls pheromones despite all the injections of female hormones.

Apparently they have shown the response to these pheromones in the brain. So it was not a matter of asking these test subjects what they preferred for smells. They saw the brain light up in areas relative areas to their outward preference. This all caused by smelling selective pheromones.

This only demonstrates that pheromones do register responses in humans.

Also sweating is a further response to attraction.

RexRed wrote:

Apparently they have shown the response to these pheromones in the brain. So it was not a matter of asking these test subjects what they preferred for smells. They saw the brain light up in areas relative areas to their outward preference. This all caused by smelling selective pheromones.

This only demonstrates that pheromones do register responses in humans.

Also sweating is a further response to attraction.

A human nose is not a dog's nose. It cannot pick up the pheromones. The only reason they could in that scientific study, was because the scientists placed them right up next to their noses.

It took me a while but I found the original study.

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=15883379

Click on the link. You'll see that the pheromones were presented to the test studies at a distance of 10mm. Do you realise how close that is to the human body?

My objection to your statement is that you think that males will be able to smell other males pheromones, even if the subject isn't sweating profusely and from a respectable distance.

I couldn't get access to the other one, though the abstract for that study can be found here.

The cut-and-paste Alzherimer's symptom is just another on of the aberrations only BenardR could explain.

I straight man does not "turn into" a gay man. He's been in the closet, in denial of his sexual orientation. You just don't "turn gay." In reverse, a gay man cannot magically turn straight unless they put themselves into denial that they are gay.

hi Lightwiz,

Let me see if I understand you correctly:

A man who lives up to age 25 as a heterosexual and thereafter as a homosexual is 'coming out' and 'expressing his true sexual orientation'.

But a man who lives up to age 25 as a homosexual and thereafter as a heterosexual is just 'in denial' and is 'living a lie'.

Is that about the sum of your belief?