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Macedonia is a land in the South Balkans, most known for being the homeland of Alexandrer the Great. The ancient Macedonians were a Hellenic tribe, comprising a subrace of Makedneans together with the Dorians and the Magnetans. They were speaking a Hellenic dialect, were Dodekatheists and as you know the purpose of Alexander's compaign was to spread Hellenic culture in the East. During the invasion of the Slavs and the Bulgars in the Balkans, parts of Macedonia were conquered by them. Today, the main part of Macedonia belongs to Greece, a small part belongs to the Former Yugoslav Republuc of Macedonia and an even smaller part belongs to Bulgaria. The Hellenes of these areas were exterminated or assimilated, so the inheritors of the ancient Macedonians today are the inhabitants of the bigger Macedonian part which is still Hellenic.

After the World war II, Tito became the king of the Yugoslavian communist regime, as most of you know. The Serbs of Vardar, as they were called that period, who were the inhabitants of the Southernmost part of Yugoslavia which carries a part of Macedonia, were seeking for an identity. So Tito baptise them "Makedonskis" and their land "Makedonija". After many years passed these Slavs started to claim ancestry from the ancient Macedonians. Today they call their land Macedonia (before WW2 it was called Vardarska). However every relation of them with the ancient Macedonians is funny, as their culture and language is Slavic. They speak a language similar to Bulgarian they call "Makedonski" today.


German map representing the situation in the Balkans, before WW2.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/de/f/ff/Kgr._Jugoslawien.jpg

Old Yugoslavian postnote:
http://www.mjourney.com/magic/discuss/uploads/post-7-1146253964.jpg

What I was surprised to see is that many people of the West today confuse the Slavic Macedonia with the Hellenic Macedonia. That's why I created this thread, to resolve the situation for the people who have not a clear idea about this issue.
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Hellenic Macedonia

http://www.united-hellas.com/tourism/macedonia/images/map.gif

Slavic Macedonia

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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 03:38 am
I am starting the tour:

ANCIENT MACEDONIA

Ancient Macedonian Language

What language did these "Macedones" speak? The name itself is Greek in root and in ethnic termination. It probably means 'highlanders,' and it is comparable to Greek tribal names such as 'Orestai' amd 'Oreitai,' meaning 'mountain-men.' A reputedly earlier variant, 'Maketai,' has the same root, which means 'high,' as in the Greek adjective 'makednos' or the noun 'mekos.' The genealogy of eponymous ancestors which Hesiod recorded (p. 3 above) has a bearing on the question of Greek speech. First, Hesiod made Macedon a brother of Magnes; as we know from inscriptions that the Magnetes spoke the Aeolic dialect of the Greek language, we have a predisposition to suppose that the Macedones spoke the Aeolic dialect. Secondly, Hesiod made Macedon and Magnes first cousins of Hellen's three sons -- Dorus, Xouthus, and Aeolus -- who were the founders of three dialects of Greek speech, namely Doric, Ionic, and Aeolic. Hesiod would not have recored this relationship, unless he had believed, probably in the seventh century, that the Macedones were a Greek-speaking people. The next evidence comes from Persia. At the turn of the sixth century the Persians described the tribute-paying peoples of their province in Europe, and one of them was the 'yauna takabara,' which meant the 'Greeks wearing the hat.'[27] There were Greeks in Greek city-states here and there in the province, but they were of various origins and not distinguished by a common hat, the 'kausia.' We conclude that the Persians believed the Macedonians to be speakers of Greek. Finally, in the latter part of the fifth century a Greek historian, Hellanicus, visited Macedonia and modified Hesiod's genealogy by bringing Macedon and his descendants firmly into the Aeolic branch of the Greek-speaking family.[28] Hesiod, Persia, Hellanicus had no motive for making a false statement about the language of the Macedonians, who were then an obscure and not a powerful people. Their independent testimonies should be accpeted as conclusive.

That, however, is not the opinion of most scholars. They disregard or fail to assess the evidence which I have cited,[29] and they turn instead to 'Macedonian' words and names, or/and to literary references. Philologists have studied words which have been cited as 'Macedonian' in ancient lexica and glossaries, and they have come to no certain conclusion; for some of the words are clearly Greek, and some are clearly not Greek. That is not surprising; for as the territory of the Macedonians expanded, they overlaid and lived with peoples who spoke Illyrian, Paeonian, Thracian and Phrygian, and they certainly borrowed words from them which excited the authors of lexica and glossaries. The philological studies result in a verdict, in my opinion, of 'non liquet.'[30]


The toponyms of the Macedonian homeland are the most significant. Nearly all of them are Greek: Pieria, Lebaea, Heracleum, Dium, Petra, Leibethra, Aegae, Aegydium, Acesae, Acesamenae; the rivers Helicon, Aeson, Leucus, Baphyras, Sardon, Elpe'u's, Mitys; lake Ascuris and the region Lapathus. The mountain names Olympus and Titarium may be pre-Greek; Edessa, the earlier name for the place where Aegae was founded, and its river Ascordus were Phrygian.[31] The deities worshipped by the Macedones and the names which they gave to the months were predominantly Greek, and there is no doubt that these were not borrowings.

To Greek literary writers before the Hellenistic period the Macedonians were 'barbarians.' The term referred to their way of life and their institutions, which were those of the 'ethne' and not of the city-state, and it did not refer to their speech. We can see this in the case of Epirus. There Thucydides called the tribes 'barbarians.' But inscriptions found in Epirus have shown conclusively that the Epirote tribes in Thucydides' lifetime were speaking Greek and used names which were Greek.[32] In the following century 'barbarian' was only one of the abusive terms applied by Demosthenes to Philip of Macedon and his people.[33]


In passages which refer to the Macedonian soldiers of Alexander the Great and the early successors there are mentions of a Macedonian dialect, such as was likely to have been spoken in the original Macedonian homeland. On one occassion Alexander 'called out to his guardsmen in Macedonian ('Makedonisti'), as this [viz. the use of 'Macedonian'] was a signal ('symbolon') that there was a serious riot.' Normally Alexander and his soldiers spoke standard Greek, the 'koine,' and that was what the Persians who were to fight alongside the Macedonians were taught. So the order 'in Macedonian' was unique, in that all other orders were in the 'koine.'[34] It is satisfactorily explained as an order in broad dialect, just as in the Highland Regiment a special order for a particular purpose could be given in broad Scots by a Scottish officer who usually spoke the King's English.


The use of this dialect among themselves was a characteristic of the Macedonian soldiers (rather that the officers) of the King's Army. This point is made clear in the report -- not in itself dependable -- of the trial of a Macedonian officer before an Assembly of Macedonians, in which the officer (Philotas) was mocked for not speaking in dialect.[35] In 321 when a non-Macedonian general, Eumenes, wanted to make contact with a hostile group of Macedonian infantrymen, he sent a Macedonian to speak to them in the Macedonian dialect, in order to win their confidence. Subsequently, when they and the other Macdonian soldiers were serving with Eumenes, they expresed their affection for him by hailing him in the Macedonian dialect ('Makedonisti').[36] He was to be one of themselves. As Curtius observed, 'not a man among the Macedonians could bear to part with a jot of his ancestral customs.' The use of this dialect was one way in which the Macedonians expressed their apartness from the world of the Greek city-states.


[27] See J. M. Balcer in 'Historia' 37 (1988) 7.


[28] FGrH 4 F 74


[29] Most recently E. Badian in Barr-Sharrar 33-51 disregards the evidence as set out in e.g. HM 2.39-54, when it goes against his view that the Macedonians (whom he does not define) spoke a language other than Greek.


[30] The matter is dicussed at some length in HM 2. 39-54 with reference especially to O. Hoffmann, 'Die Makedonen, ihre Sprache und ihre Volkstun' (Goettingen, 1906) and J. Kalleris, Les Anciens Macedoniens I (Athens, 1954); see also Kalleris II and R. A. Crossland in the CAH 3.1.843ff.


[31] For Edessa see HM 1.165 and for the Phrygians in Macedonia 407-14. Olympus occurs as a Phrygian personal name.


[32] See Hammond, 'Epirus' 419ff. and 525ff.


[33] As Badian, loc. cit. 42, rightly observes: 'this, of course, is simple abuse.'


[34] Plu. 'Alex.'51.6


[35] Curtius 6.8.34-6.


[36] PSI XII 2(1951) no. 1284, Plu. Eun.14.11. Badian, loc. cit. 41 and 50 n.66, discusses the former and not the latter, which hardly bears out his theory that Eumenes 'could not directly communicate with Macedonian soldiers,' and presumably they with him. Badian says in his note that he is not concerned with the argument as to whether Macedonian was a 'dialect' or 'a language.' Such an argument seems to me to be at the heart of the matter. We have a similar problem in regard to Epirus, where some had thouught the language of the people was Illyrian. In Plu.'Pyrrh.'1.3 reference was made to 'the local 'phone, which to me means 'dialect' of Greek; it is so in this instance because Plutarch is asying that Achilles was called 'in the local 'phone' Aspestos.' The ord 'Aspestos' elsewhere was peculiar to Greek epic, but it survived in Epirus in normal speech. It is of course a Greek and not an Illyrian word. See Hammond, 'Epirus' 525ff., for the Greek being the language of central Epirus in the fifth century B.C. "
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 03:39 am
Ancient Macedonian religion

Ancient Macedonians worshipped the same gods as the rest of Hellenes. Despite of the claims of the pseudo-historians of FYROM that ancient Macedonians didnt shared the same gods as the other Hellenes, the evidences from ancient and modern writers are obvious.

- According to Ulrich Wilcken:

"yet if we take into account the political conditions, religion and morals of the Macedonians, our conviction is strengthened that they were a Greek race and akin to the Dorians"
(Wilcken, U., "Alexander the Great)


- Secondly, the Skopian propagandists seem to forget about the temple of Dion, (literally the city of Zeus), found in Mt Olympus, of course inside Macedonia.

- Furthermore, Pausanias makes perfectly clear that contrary to Skopian claims, Macedonians had got the same gods and religion with the rest of Greeks and puts an end to the Skopian lies.

(Pausanias [6.18.3])

"The people of Lampsacus favoured the cause of the Persian king, or were suspected of doing so, and Alexander, boiling over with rage against them, threatened to treat them with utmost rigor. As their wives, their children, and their country itself were in great danger, they sent Anaximenes to intercede for them, because he was known to Alexander himself and had been known to Philip before him. Anaximenes approached, and when Alexander learned for what cause he had come, they say that HE SWORE BY THE GODS OF GREECE, WHOM HE NAMED that he would verily do the opposite of what Anaximenes asked"
- Moreover we have several ancient sources making clear that Macedonians had the same religion as the rest of the Greeks and they worshiped the twelve Olympian Gods.

- Two quotes from Plutarch's "Alexander" make it clear.




"Philip, after this vision, sent Chaeron of Megalopolis to consult the oracle of Apollo at Delphi, by which he was commanded to perform sacrifice, and henceforth pay particular honour, above all other gods, to Zeus;"
"He [Alexander he Great] erected altars, also, to the gods, which the kings of the Praesians even in our time do honour to when they pass the river, and offer sacrifice upon them after the Greek manner."

Diodoros of Sicily also makes clear that the Macedonians worshiped the twelve Greek Gods and exposes skopian lies :




"Along with lavish display of every sort, Philip included in the procession statues of the twelve Gods brought with great artistry and adorned with a dazzling show of wealth to strike awe to the beholder, and along with these was conducted a thirteenth statue, suitable for a god, that of Philip himself, so that the king exhibited himself enthroned among the twelve Gods."
(Histories, Chapter 16, 95.2)

"He (King Philip) wanted as many Greeks as possible to take part in the festivities in honour of the gods, and so planned brilliant musical contests and lavish banquets for his friends and guests. Out of all Greece he summoned his personal guest-friends and ordered the members of his court to bring along as many as they could of their acquaintances from abroad."
(Histories, Chapter 16, 91.5-6)

All the above quotes clearly show that Macedonians shared the same religion as the rest of Greeks.

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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 03:40 am
Ancient Macedonian Calendar

Introduction
Blood of Dorus writes a very solid argument for the shared calendar of the Macedonian and Greek tribes of ancient times.

Sources of Analysis
It is interesting that Josephus throughout The "Antiquities" relates the Hebrew months with the Macedonian months - below are a few examples:

Antiquities of the Jews - Book I http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-1.htm CHAPTER 3.3 in the second month, (14) called by the Macedonians Dius, but by the Hebrews Marchesuan

Antiquities of the Jews - Book II http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-2.htm CHAPTER 14.6 and they should prepare themselves on the tenth day of the month Xanthicus, against the fourteenth, (which month is called by the Egyptians Pharmuth, Nisan by the Hebrews; but the Macedonians call it Xanthicus,)

Antiquities of the Jews - Book III http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-3.htm CHAPTER 10.2 But on the seventh month, which the Macedonians call Hyperberetaeus

Antiquities of the Jews - Book IV http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-4.htm CHAPTER 4.7 He died on the first day of that lunar month which is called by the Athenians Hecatombaeon, by the Macedonians Lous, but by the Hebrews Abba

CHAPTER 8.49 and he died on the last month of the year, which is called by the Macedonians Dystrus, but by us Adar, on the first day of the month.

Antiquities of the Jews - Book VIII http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-8.htm CHAPTER 3.1 SOLOMON began to build the temple in the fourth year of his reign, on the second month, which the Macedonians call Artemisius, and the Hebrews Jur

Antiquities of the Jews - Book XI http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-11.htm CHAPTER 5.4 on the twentieth day of the ninth month, which, according to the Hebrews, is called Tebeth, and according to the Macedonians, Apelleius.

[edit]Macedonian Months
Based on the works of ancient authors such as Josephus, a list of Macedonian months has been reconstructed.

The Ancient Macedonian calendar. http://www.answers.com/topic/ancient...ndar?method=22 , http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Measurements2.htm and http://www.crystalinks.com/calendars3.html


The Ancient Macedonian calendar is the calendar that was in use in ancient Macedon in the 1st millennium BC. It consisted of 12 synodic Lunar months (i.e. 354 days per year), which needed intercalary months to stay in step with the seasons. By the time the calendar was being used across the Hellenistic world, 7 total embolimoi (intercalary months) were being added in each 19-year Metonic cycle.

· Δίος (Dios, moon of October)
· Απελλαίος (Apellaios, moon of November, also a Dorian month - Apellaiōn was a Tenian month)
· Αυδναίος or Αυδηναίος (Audnaios or Audēnaios, moon of December)
· Περίτιος (Peritios, moon of January)
· Δύστρος (Dystros, moon of February)
· Ξανδικός or Ξανθικός (Xandikos or Xanthikos, moon of March)
· Ξανδικός Εμβόλιμος (Xandikos Embolimos, intercalated 6 times over a 19-year cycle)
· Αρτεμίσιος or Αρταμίτιος (Artemisios or Artamitios, moon of April, also a Spartan, Rhodian and Epidaurian month - Artemisiōn was an Ionic month)
· Δαίσιος (Daisios, moon of May)
· Πάνημος or Πάναμος (Panēmos or Panamos, moon of June, also an Epidaurian, Miletian, Samian and Corinthian month)
· Λώιος (Lōios, moon of July - Ομολώιος, Homolōios, was an Aetolian, Boeotian and Thessalian month)
· Γορπιαίος (Gorpiaios, moon of August)
· Υπερβερεταίος (Hyperberetaios, moon of September - Hyperberetos was a Cretan month)
· Υπερβερεταίος Εμβόλιμος (Hyperberetaios Embolimos, intercalated once over a 19-year cycle)
We know that the Attic (Athenian) dialect, an Ionic dialect which developed into the Koine, was the Greek dialect which was adopted by the Macedonians during the Hellenistic period. However, the Macedonian calendar bears no relation to the Attic (Athenian) calendar, and therefore cannot be said to have been adopted by the Macedonians in the same way as they adopted the Attic dialect.

Compare the Attic (i.e. Athenian) calendar: ( http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?...tic%20calendar , http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Measurements2.htm , http://www.winterscapes.com/kharis/calendar.htm and http://www.crystalinks.com/calendars3.html ):


The Attic calendar is the calendar that was in use in ancient Attica, the ancestral territory of the Athenian polis[...] Because of the relative wealth of evidence from Athens, of all the Hellenic calendars it is the best understood[...] The Attic calendar was an exclusively local phenomenon, used to regulate the internal affairs of the Athenians and with little relevance to the outside world. For example, just across the border in Boeotia not only did the months have different names, but the year began in mid-winter[…] The divide between these neighbouring calendars perhaps reflected the traditional hostility between the two communities. Had the Boeotians been speakers of an Ionic dialect, like that spoken in Athens, there would have been overlap in the names of months. An example of this is the Ionian island of Delos, where the calendar shared four out of twelve month names with Athens, but not in the same places in the year.

List of months:

· Hekatombaion - June/July
· Metageitnion - July/August
· Boedromion - August/September
· Pyanepsion - September/October
· Maimakterion - October/November
· Poseideon - November/December
· Gemelion - December/January
· Anthesterion - January/February
· Elaphebolion - February/March
· Mounichion - March/April
· Thargelion - April/May
· Skirophorion - May/June

So, in summary, the Macedonian months were Dios, Apellaios, Audnaios, Peritios, Dystros, Xanthikos, Artemisios, Daisios, Panemos, Loios, Gorpiaios, and Hyperberetaios. These months have Greek roots yet they bear no resembalence to the months of the Attic calendar.




[edit]Calendars of Other Greek Tribes

Now compare the months in the Macedonian calendar with the Spartan and Argive calendars:

Spartan calendar ( http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Measurements2.htm ):

· January - ?
· February - Eleusinios
· March - Gerastios
· April - Artemisios
· May - Delhinios
· June - Fliasios
· July - Hekatombeus
· August - Karneios
· September - Panamos
· October - Herasios
· November - Apellaios
· December - Diosthios

We also know of nine of the months in the Argive calendar ( http://www.geocities.com/christopher...oman/217bc.htm ):

· Panemos
· Argyeos
· Karneios
· Hermaios
· Appelaios
· Teleos
· Arneios
· Gamos
· Amyklaios

The names of the Macedonian months Apellaios, Artemisios and Panemos are the same months as those in the Spartan calendar. Moreover, the months Artemisios and Panemos are also found in the Argive calendar.




[edit]Conclusions of the Macedonian Calendar

So in summary:

· The Macedonian month Apellaios is also a Spartan and Argive month.
· The Macedonian month Panemos is also a Corinthian and Epidaurian month. It is also a Spartan and Argive month.
· The Macedonian month Hyperberetaios is also a Cretan month.
· The Macedonian month Artemisios is also a Spartan, Rhodian and Epidaurian month.
(see: http://www.answers.com/topic/ancient...ndar?method=22 and http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Measurements2.htm )

We know that Spartans, Corinthians, Cretans, Epidaurians, Rhodians and Argives are of Dorian stock.

Therefore, apart from the month Loios which is also a Thessalian (Aeolic) month, the Macedonian months are unique except for the four months mentioned above which are also found in the calendars of other Doric peoples.

So how do we explain that the names of three Macedonian months are the same as the three Spartan ones?

Sparta lies at the head of the Peloponnese, far away from Macedonia, in southern Greece. Ancient Macedonians and Spartans had no contacts but nevertheless they both shared three month's names. How come?

Both Macedonians and Spartans are, as stated by Herodotus, of Dorian origin. Not only were Macedonia and Sparta both kingdoms and warlike people but they had the same Dorian origin.

Moreover there are also Macedonian months whose names are shared with the calendars of Argos, Corinth, Epidaurus, Crete and Rhodes. Argives, Corinthians, Cretans, Epidaurians and Rhodians are once again of Dorian stock.

The link? A common ancestry amongst these Dorian peoples.

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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 03:45 am
Ancient writers about Macedonia

The nations of the world according to Josephus

Introduction


Antiquities of the Jews - Book I

http://www.ccel.org/j/josephus/works/ant-1.htm

CHAPTER 6.

HOW EVERY NATION WAS DENOMINATED FROM THEIR FIRST INHABITANTS.

Quote: 1. Now they were the grandchildren of Noah, in honor of whom names were imposed on the nations by those that first seized upon them. Japhet, the son of Noah, had seven sons: they inhabited so, that, beginning at the mountains Taurus and Amanus, they proceeded along Asia, as far as the river Tansis, and along Europe to Cadiz; and settling themselves on the lands which they light upon, which none had inhabited before, they called the nations by their own names. For Gomer founded those whom the Greeks now call Galatians, [Galls,] but were then called Gomerites. Magog founded those that from him were named Magogites, but who are by the Greeks called Scythians. Now as to Javan and Madai, the sons of Japhet; from Madai came the Madeans, who are called Medes, by the Greeks; but from Javan, Ionia, and all the Grecians, are derived. Thobel founded the Thobelites, who are now called Iberes; and the Mosocheni were founded by Mosoch; now they are Cappadocians. There is also a mark of their ancient denomination still to be shown; for there is even now among them a city called Mazaca, which may inform those that are able to understand, that so was the entire nation once called. Thiras also called those whom he ruled over Thirasians; but the Greeks changed the name into Thracians. And so many were the countries that had the children of Japhet for their inhabitants. Of the three sons of Gomer, Aschanax founded the Aschanaxians, who are now called by the Greeks Rheginians. So did Riphath found the Ripheans, now called Paphlagonians; and Thrugramma the Thrugrammeans, who, as the Greeks resolved, were named Phrygians. Of the three sons of Javan also, the son of Japhet, Elisa gave name to the Eliseans, who were his subjects; they are now the Aeolians. Tharsus to the Tharsians, for so was Cilicia of old called; the sign of which is this, that the noblest city they have, and a metropolis also, is Tarsus, the tau being by change put for the theta. Cethimus possessed the island Cethima: it is now called Cyprus; and from that it is that all islands, and the greatest part of the sea-coasts, are named Cethim by the Hebrews: and one city there is in Cyprus that has been able to preserve its denomination; it has been called Citius by those who use the language of the Greeks, and has not, by the use of that dialect, escaped the name of Cethim. And so many nations have the children and grandchildren of Japhet possessed. Now when I have premised somewhat, which perhaps the Greeks do not know, I will return and explain what I have omitted; for such names are pronounced here after the manner of the Greeks, to please my readers; for our own country language does not so pronounce them: but the names in all cases are of one and the same ending; for the name we here pronounce Noeas, is there Noah, and in every case retains the same termination.

2. The children of Ham possessed the land from Syria and Amanus, and the mountains of Libanus; seizing upon all that was on its sea-coasts, and as far as the ocean, and keeping it as their own. Some indeed of its names are utterly vanished away; others of them being changed, and another sound given them, are hardly to be discovered; yet a few there are which have kept their denominations entire. For of the four sons of Ham, time has not at all hurt the name of Chus; for the Ethiopians, over whom he reigned, are even at this day, both by themselves and by all men in Asia, called Chusites. The memory also of the Mesraites is preserved in their name; for all we who inhabit this country [of Judea] called Egypt Mestre, and the Egyptians Mestreans. Phut also was the founder of Libya, and called the inhabitants Phutites, from himself: there is also a river in the country of Moors which bears that name; whence it is that we may see the greatest part of the Grecian historiographers mention that river and the adjoining country by the apellation of Phut: but the name it has now has been by change given it from one of the sons of Mesraim, who was called Lybyos. We will inform you presently what has been the occasion why it has been called Africa also. Canaan, the fourth son of Ham, inhabited the country now called Judea, and called it from his own name Canaan. The children of these [four] were these: Sabas, who founded the Sabeans; Evilas, who founded the Evileans, who are called Getuli; Sabathes founded the Sabathens, they are now called by the Greeks Astaborans; Sabactas settled the Sabactens; and Ragmus the Ragmeans; and he had two sons, the one of whom, Judadas, settled the Judadeans, a nation of the western Ethiopians, and left them his name; as did Sabas to the Sabeans: but Nimrod, the son of Chus, staid and tyrannized at Babylon, as we have already informed you. Now all the children of Mesraim, being eight in number, possessed the country from Gaza to Egypt, though it retained the name of one only, the Philistim; for the Greeks call part of that country Palestine. As for the rest, Ludieim, and Enemim, and Labim, who alone inhabited in Libya, and called the country from himself, Nedim, and Phethrosim, and Chesloim, and Cephthorim, we know nothing of them besides their names; for the Ethiopic war which we shall describe hereafter, was the cause that those cities were overthrown. The sons of Canaan were these: Sidonius, who also built a city of the same name; it is called by the Greeks Sidon Amathus inhabited in Amathine, which is even now called Amathe by the inhabitants, although the Macedonians named it Epiphania, from one of his posterity: Arudeus possessed the island Aradus: Arucas possessed Arce, which is in Libanus. But for the seven others, [Eueus,] Chetteus, Jebuseus, Amorreus, Gergesus, Eudeus, Sineus, Samareus, we have nothing in the sacred books but their names, for the Hebrews overthrew their cities; and their calamities came upon them on the occasion following.

3. Noah, when, after the deluge, the earth was resettled in its former condition, set about its cultivation; and when he had planted it with vines, and when the fruit was ripe, and he had gathered the grapes in their season, and the wine was ready for use, he offered sacrifice, and feasted, and, being drunk, he fell asleep, and lay naked in an unseemly manner. When his youngest son saw this, he came laughing, and showed him to his brethren; but they covered their father's nakedness. And when Noah was made sensible of what had been done, he prayed for prosperity to his other sons; but for Ham, he did not curse him, by reason of his nearness in blood, but cursed his prosperity: and when the rest of them escaped that curse, God inflicted it on the children of Canaan. But as to these matters, we shall speak more hereafter.

4. Shem, the third son of Noah, had five sons, who inhabited the land that began at Euphrates, and reached to the Indian Ocean. For Elam left behind him the Elamites, the ancestors of the Persians. Ashur lived at the city Nineve; and named his subjects Assyrians, who became the most fortunate nation, beyond others. Arphaxad named the Arphaxadites, who are now called Chaldeans. Aram had the Aramites, which the Greeks called Syrians; as Laud founded the Laudites, which are now called Lydians. Of the four sons of Aram, Uz founded Trachonitis and Damascus: this country lies between Palestine and Celesyria. Ul founded Armenia; and Gather the Bactrians; and Mesa the Mesaneans; it is now called Charax Spasini. Sala was the son of Arphaxad; and his son was Heber, from whom they originally called the Jews Hebrews. Heber begat Joetan and Phaleg: he was called Phaleg, because he was born at the dispersion of the nations to their several countries; for Phaleg among the Hebrews signifies division. Now Joctan, one of the sons of Heber, had these sons, Elmodad, Saleph, Asermoth, Jera, Adoram, Aizel, Decla, Ebal, Abimael, Sabeus, Ophir, Euilat, and Jobab. These inhabited from Cophen, an Indian river, and in part of Asia adjoining to it. And this shall suffice concerning the sons of Shem.


Regarding Epiphania ("Amathus inhabited in Amathine, which is even now called Amathe by the inhabitants, although the Macedonians named it Epiphania") see:

Quote: ...Hamath it is often mentioned in the Bible, where it is said to be the northern boundary of the Israelite tribes. The Assyrians under Shalmaneser III captured the city in the mid-9th cent. B.C. Later included in the Persian Empire, it was conquered by Alexander the Great and, after his death (323 B.C.), was claimed by the Seleucid kings, who renamed it Epiphania, after Antiochus IV (Antiochus Epiphanes). http://www.bartleby.com/65/ha/Hama.html

Now in Josephus' history there is mention of "Macedonians" yet they do not appear amongst the list of nations he meticulously analyses. Or do they? Maybe they are a sub-group of one of the nations. Josephus mentions the names the Greeks call these nations and amongst these what the Macedonians called Amathe - "Epiphania" - a Greek name.

For Josephus Macedonians were Greek - descendants of Javan.

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Polybius' Histories and Macedonia

References http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin...23624&loc=9.36

"Let it, however, be granted that what I have now said may in the eyes of severe critics be regarded as beside the subject. I will now return to the main point at issue, as they state it. It was this: 'If the circumstances are the same now as at the time when you made alliance with the Aetolians, then your policy ought to remain on the same lines.' That was their first proposition. 'But if they have been entirely changed, then it is fair that you should now deliberate on the demands made to you as on a matter entirely new and unprejudiced.' I ask you therefore, Cleonicus and Chlaeneas, who were your allies on the former occasion when you invited this people to join you? Were they not all the Greeks? But with whom are you now united, or to what kind of federation are you now inviting this people? Is it not to one with the foreigner? A mighty similarity exists, no doubt, in your minds, and no diversity at all! Then you were contending for glory and supremacy with Achaeans and Macedonians, men of kindred blood with yourselves, and with Philip their leader; now a war of slavery is threatening Greece against men of another race, whom you think to bring against Philip, but have really unconsciously brought against yourselves and all Greece. For just as men in the stress of war, by introducing into their cities garrisons superior in strength to their own forces, while successfully repelling all danger from the enemy, put themselves at the mercy of their friends,--just so are the Aetolians acting in the present case. For in their desire to conquer Philip and humble Macedonia, they have unconsciously brought such a mighty cloud from the west, as for the present perhaps will overshadow Macedonia first, but which in the sequel will be the origin of heavy evils to all Greece.
"But if thanks are due to the Aetolians for this single service, how highly should we honour the Macedonians, who for the greater part of their lives never cease from fighting with the barbarians for the sake of the security of Greece? For who is not aware that Greece would have constantly stood in the greatest danger, had we not been fenced by the Macedonians and the honourable ambition of their kings?"
(Polybius, Book IX, 35, 2)

"...I assert is that not only the Thessalians, but the rest of the Greeks owed their safety to Philip."
(Polybius, Book IX, 33, 3)

"...because he (Philip) was the benefactor of Greece, that they all chose him commander-in-chief both on sea and land, an honour previously conferred on no one."
(Polybius, Book IX, 33, 7)

"...he (Alexander) inflicted punishment on the Persians for their outrages on all the Greeks, and how he delivered us all from the greatest evils by enslaving the barbarians and depriving them of the resources they used for the destruction of the Greeks, pitting now the Athenians and now the Thebans against the ancestors of these Spartans, how in a word he made Asia subject to Greece."
(Polybius, Book IX, 34, 3)

"The 38th book contains the completion of the disaster of the Hellenes. For though both the whole of Hellas and her several parts had often met with mischance, yet to none of her former defeats can we more fittingly apply, the name of disaster with all it signifies than to the events of my own time. In the time I am speaking of a comon misfortune befell the Peloponnesians, the Boiotians, the Phokians, the Euboians, the Lokrians, some of the cities on the Ionians Gulf, and finally the Macedonians"
(Polybius, Book IX, 38, 8)

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Herodotus

''Now that the men of this family are Hellenes, sprung from Perdiccas, as they themselves affirm, is a thing which I can declare on my own knowledge, and which I will hereafter make plainly evident. That they are so has been already adjudged by those who manage the Pan-Hellenic contest at Olympia"
(Herodotus, The Histories 8.43)

"Tell your king who sent you how his Hellenic viceroy of Macedonia has received you hospitably... "
(Herodotus V, 20, 4)

"Now that these descendants of Perdiccas are Hellenes, as they themselves say, I myself chance to know"
(Herodotus V, 22, 1)

"Xerxes, having so spoken, held his peace. (SS 1.) Whereupon Mardonius took the word, and said: ....I myself have had experience of these men when I marched against them by the orders of thy father; and though I went as far as Macedonia, and came but a little short of reaching Athens itself, yet not a soul ventured to come out against me to battle. ......But, notwithstanding that they have so foolish a manner of warfare, yet these Greeks, when I led my army against them to the very borders of Macedonia, did not so much as think of offering me battle."
(Herodotus Book VII)

"...but the Dorians on the contrary have been constantly on the move; their home in Deucalion's reign was Phthiotis and in the reign of Dorus son of Hellen the country known as Histiaeotis in the neighbourhood of Ossa and Olympus; driven from there by the Cadmeians they settled in Pindus and were known as Macedons; thence they migrated to Dryopis, and finally to the Peloponnese, where they got their present name of Dorians."
Herodotus, Book I, 56




"...Three brothers of the lineage of Temenos came as banished men from Argos to Illyria, Gavganis and Aeropos and Perdikkas, and worked for the king that was there.
When the king learned that when the queen baked the bread of Perdikkas, it doubled its size, than of the the other breads, he considered that as a miracle and ordered the 3 brothers to leave his kingdom. The brothers required their payment. Then the king told them to take the sun as a payment. Gavganis and Aeropos where taken by surprise and the youngest brother, Perdikkas, accepted the offer. He took out his sword, circled it 3 times and took the sun, which he placed in his underarm and left with his brothers..."

Herodotus VIII,137

"...and that you may tell your king, who sent you, that a Greek, the lord of Macedonia, entertained you royally both with bed and board."
Herodotus, Book V, 20

"The composition of the fleet was as follows: 16 ships from Lacedaemon, the same number from Corinth as at Artemisium, 15 from Sicyon, 10 from Epidaurus, 5 form Troezen, 3 from Hermione. The people of all these places except Hermione are of Dorian and Macedonian blood, and had last emigrated from Erineus, Pindus, and Dryopis."
Herodotus, Book VIII ,43


Thucydides

"The country by the sea which is now called Macedonia... Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his forefathers, who were originally Temenidae from Argos"
(Thucydides 99,3)

"In all there were about three thousand Hellenic heavy infantry, accompanied by all the Macedonian cavalry with the Chalcidians, near one thousand strong, besides an immense crowd of barbarians."
(Thukydides 4.124)

"The Hellenic troops with him consisted of the Ambraciots, Leucadians, and Anactorians, and the thousand Peloponnesians with whom he came; the barbarian of a thousand Chaonians, who, belonging to a nation that has no king, were led by Photys and Nicanor, the two members of the royal family to whom the chieftainship for that year had been confided. With the Chaonians came also some Thesprotians, like them without a king, some Molossians and Atintanians led by Sabylinthus, the guardian of King Tharyps who was still a minor, and some Paravæans, under their king Oroedus, accompanied by a thousand Orestians, subjects of King Antichus and placed by him under the command of Oroedus. There were also a thousand Macedonians sent by Perdiccas without the knowledge of the Athenians, but they arrived too late. With this force Cnemus set out, without waiting for the fleet from Corinth. Passing through the territory of Amphilochian Argos, and sacking the open village of Limnæa, they advanced to Stratus the Acarnanian capital; this once taken, the rest of the country, they felt convinced, would speedily follow"
(Thucydides Chapter VIII)

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Strabo - "Geography" Arrian, "Anabasis of Alexander"

"He sent to Athens three hundred Persian panoplies to be set up to Athena in the acropolis; he ordered this inscription to be attached: Alexander son of Philip and the Hellenes, except the Lacedaemonians, set up these spoils from the barbarians dwelling in Asia",
(Arrian I, 16, 7)

"Your ancestors invaded Macedonia and the rest of Hellas and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury;... I have been appointed hegemon of the Greeks... "
(Arrian, II, 14, 4)

"There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service -- but how different is theirs cause from ours ! They will be fighting for pay--- and not much of it at that; we on the contrary shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it. As for our foreign troops ---Thracians, Paeonians, Illyrians, Agrianes --- they are the best and stoutest soldiers of Europe, and they will find as their opponents the slackest and softest of the tribes of Asia."
(Arrian, 11.7)

"You ought to have remembered that you are not the attendant of and adviser of Cambyses or Xerxes, but of Philip's son, a man with the blood of Heracles and Aeacus in his veins, a man whose forefathers came from Argos to Macedonia, where they long ruled not by force, but by law."
(Arrian 4.11)

"Well, here we are in a foreign land; and if for that reason we must think foreign thoughts, yet I beg you, Alexander, to remember Greece; it was for her sake alone, that you might add Asia to her empire, that you undertook this campaign. Consider this too: when you are home again, do you really propose to force the Greeks, who love their liberty more than anyone else in the world, to prostrate themselves before you?"
(Arrian 4.11)

"In this latter place he (Alexander) found political troubles in progress, and settled them, remitting the tribute which the town paid to Darius on the ground that Mallus was a colony of Argos and he himself claimed to be descended from the Argive Heracleidae."
(Arrian 5)

"He set the Persian palace on fire, even though parmenio urged him to save it, arguing that it was not right to destroy his own property, and that the Asians would not thus devote themselves to him, if he seemed determined not to rule Asia, but only to pass through as a conqueror. But Alexander replied that he intended to punish the persians for their invasion of Greece, the destruction of Athens, the burning of the temples, and all manner of terrible things done to the Greeks: because of these things, he was exacting revenge. But Alexander does not seem to me to have acted prudently, nor can it be regarded as any kind of punishment upon Persians of long ago.
[Arrian, 3.18.11-12]

[edit]Arrian, "The Indica"
"...There a man appeared to them, wearing a Greek cloak, and dressed otherwise in the Greek fashion, and speaking Greek also. Those who first sighted him said that they burst into tears, so strange did it seem after all these miseries to see a Greek, and to hear Greek spoken. They asked whence he came, who he was; and he said that he had become separated from Alexander's camp, and that the camp, and Alexander himself, were not very far distant. Shouting aloud and clapping their hands they brought this man to Nearchus..."
(Arrian, XXXIII)

"...On this Alexander wept the more, since the safety of the force had seemed too good to be true; and then he enquired where the ships were anchored. Nearchus replied: 'They are all drawn up at the mouth of the river Anamis, and are undergoing a refit.' Alexander then called to witness Zeus of the Greeks and the Libyan, Ammon that in good truth he rejoiced more at this news than because he had conquered all Asia since the grief he had felt at the supposed loss of the fleet cancelled all his other good fortune..."
(Arrian,XXXV)

"...Alexander then sacrificed thank-offerings for the safety of his host, to Zeus the Saviour, Heracles, Apollo the Averter of Evil, Poseidon and all the gods of the sea; and he held a contest of art and of athletics, and also a procession..."
(Arrian,XXXVI)

"...The Greeks moved on thence, from the sacred island, and were already coasting along Persian territory..."
(Arrian,XXXVIII)

"...Thence they sailed eight hundred stades, anchoring at Troea; there were small and poverty-stricken villages on the coast. The inhabitants deserted their huts and the Greeks found there a small quantity of corn, and dates from the palms..."
(Arrian,XXIX)

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Xenophon

He (Teleutias, the brother of the Spartan king Agesilaos) dispached envoys to Amyntas, and asked him to hire mercenaries and gain the alliance of the neighboring kings through the payment of money, if he wished to recover his rule."
(Xenophon, Hellenika 5.38)

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Plutarch - Moralia, "On the Fortune of Alexander"


"Alexander lived many hundred years ago. He was king of Macedon, one of the states of Greece. His life was spent in war. He first conquered the other Grecian states, and then Persia, and India, and other countries one by one, till the whole known world was conquered by him. It is said that he wept, because there were no more worlds for him to conquer. He died, at the age of thirty-three, from drinking too much wine. In consequence of his great success in war, he was called Alexander the Great."
(Plutarchos, Moralia, On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A [Loeb, F.C. Babbitt])

"But he said, `If I were not Alexandros, I should be Diogenes'; that is to say: `If it were not my purpose to combine barbarian things with things Hellenic, to traverse and civilize every every continent, to search out the uttermost parts of land and sea, to push the bounds of Macedonia to the farthest Ocean, and to diseminate and shower the blessings of the Hellenic justice and peace over every nation, I should not be content to sit quietly in the luxury of idle power, but I should emulate the frugality of Diogenes. But as things are, forgive me Diogenes, that I imitate Herakles, and emulate Perseus, and follow in the footsteps of Dionysos, the divine author and progenitor of my family, and desire that victorius Hellenes should dance again in India and revive the memory of the Bacchic revels among the savage mountain tribes beyond the Kaukasos...' "
(Plutarchos, On the Fortune of Alexander, 332 a-b)

"Yet through Alexander, Bactria and the Caucasus learned to revere the gods of the Hellenes ... Alexander established more than seventy cities among savage tribes, and sowed all Asia with Hellenic magistracies ... Egypt would not have its Alexandria, nor Mesopotamia its Seleucia, nor Sogdiana its Prophthasia, nor India its Bucephalia, nor the Caucasus a Hellenic city, for by the founding of cities in these places savagery was extinguished and the worse element, gaining familiarity with the better, changed under its influence.'
(Plutarchos Moralia. On the Fortune of Alexander, I, 328D, 329A)

"When he (Alexander the Great) arrived at Ilion he sacrificed to Athena and offered libations to the Heroes."
(Plutarchos, Alexander 15)

"It is agreed on by all hands, that on the father's side, Alexander descended from Hercules by Caranus, and from Aeacus byNeoptolemus on the mother's side"
(Plutarch, The Life of Alexander)

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Kallisthenes


"...so said the military leaders to the camps: `We have made enough war in Persia and conquered Dareios who claimed taxes from the Hellenes, but what are we accomplishing by marching against the Indians, in scary lands and doing things IMPROPER FROM HELLAS? If Alexandros has become full of himself and wishes to be a warrior, and subjugate barbarian peoples why do we follow him? Let him move on alone and engage in wars. Having heard these Alexander separated the Persian host from the MACEDONIANS AND THE OTHER HELLENES and addressed them..."
(`Pseudo-Kallisthenes' 3.1.2-4)

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Isocrates, Speeches and Letters, "To Philip"
"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race."
(Isokratis, Speeches and Letters, "To Philip" 127)

"Argos is the land of your fathers, and is entitled to as much consideration at your hands as are your own ancestors..."

(Isocrates, Speeches and Letters, "To Philip", 32)




"Now I am not unaware that many of the Hellenes look upon the King's power as invincible. Yet one may well marvel at them if they really believe that the power which was subdued to the will of a mere barbarian--an ill-bred barbarian at that--and collected in the cause of slavery, could not be scattered by A MAN OF THE BLOOD OF HELLAS, of ripe experience in warfare, in the cause of freedom--and that too although they know that while it is in all cases difficult to construct a thing, to destroy it is, comparatively, an easy task.Bear in mind that the men whom the world most admires and honors are those who unite in themselves the abilities of the statesman and the general. When, therefore, you see the renown which even in a single city is bestowed on men who possess these gifts, what manner of eulogies must you expect to hear spoken of you, when AMONG ALL THE HELLENES you shall stand forth as a statesman who has worked for the good of Hellas, and AS A GENERAL WHO HAS OVERTHROWN THE BARBARIANS?"
[Isocrates, Speeches and Letters, "To Philip", 5.139, 5.140]




"Well, if I were trying to present this matter to any others before having broached it to my own country, WHICH HAS THRICE FREED HELLAS-twice from the barbarians and ONCE FROM THE LACEDAEMONIAN YOKE--I should confess my error. In truth, however, it will be found that I turned to Athens first of all and endeavored to win her over to this cause with all the earnestness of which my nature is capable,2 but when I perceived that she cared less for what I said than for the ravings of the platform orators,3 I gave her up, although I did not abandon my efforts."
[Isocrates, Speeches and Letters, "To Philip", 5.129]




"The Lacedaemonians were the leaders of the Hellenes, not long ago, on both land and sea, and yet they suffered so great a reversal of fortune when they met defeat at Leuctra that they were deprived of their power over the Hellenes, and lost such of their warriors as chose to die rather than survive defeat at the hands of those over whom they had once been masters."
[Isocrates, Speeches and Letters, "To Philip", 5.47]




"As I continued to say many things of this tenor, those who heard me were inspired with the hope that when my discourse should be published you and the Athenians would bring the war to an end, and, having conquered your pride, would adopt some policy for your mutual good. Whether indeed they were foolish or sensible in taking this view is a question for which they, and not I, may fairly be held to account; but in any case, while I was still occupied with this endeavour, you and Athens anticipated me by making peace before I had completed my discourse; and you were wise in doing so, for to conclude the peace, no matter how, was better than to continue to be oppressed by the evils engendered by the war. [8] But although I was in joyful accord with the resolutions which were adopted regarding the peace, and was convinced that they would be beneficial, not only to us, BUT ALSO TO YOU AND ALL THE OTHER HELLENES, I could not divorce my thought from the possibilities connected with this step, but found myself in a state of mind where I began at once to consider how the results which had been achieved might be made permanent for us, and how our city could be prevented from setting her heart upon further wars, after a short interval of peace."
[Isocrates, Speeches and Letters, "To Philip", 5.8]


Isocrates, "Panigirikos"

"*...How could they (the Macedonians) prove themselves more philhellines with what they did so as the rest (the other Greeks) would not be occupied..."

(Isocrates, Panigirikos, 96)

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Aeschynes

''at the congress of the Lakedaimonian allies and the rest of the Hellenes, in which Amyntas, the father of Philip, being entitled to a seat,
was represented by a delegate whose vote was absolutely under his control, he joined the rest of the Hellenes in voting..."

(Aeschines, On the Embassy 32)

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Pausanias, "Description of Greece"

"They say that these were the clans collected by Amphictyon himself in the Greek assembly... The Macedonians managed to join and the entire Phocian race… In my day there were thirty members: six each from Nikopolis, Macedonia, and Thessaly - and from the Boeotoi that were the first that departed from Thessalia and that's when they were called Aioloi - two from each of the Phokeis and Delphi, one from the ancient Dorida, the Lokroi send one from the Ozoloi and one from the ones living beyond Evoia, one from the Evoeis. From the Peloponnesians, one from Argos, one from Sikion, one from Korinthos and Megara, one from Athens..."
(Pausanias, Description of Greece, Phocis Book VIII, 4)

"...later they added sinorida (race between two-horse-chariots) and horse-riding. In sinorida Velistichi from Makedonia, a woman of the sea, and Tlipolemos Likion were proclaimed victors, he at the 131st Olympiad and Velistichi, in sinorida, at the third Olympiad before that (128th)..."
(Pausanias, Description of Greece, Iliaka, VIII, 11)

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Diodorus Siculus

"Such was the end of Philip ... He had ruled 24 years. He is known to fame as one who with but the slenderest resources to support his claim to a throne won for himself the greatest empire among the Hellenes, while the growth of his position was not due so much to his prowess in arms as to his adroitness and cordiality in diplomacy."
(Diodoros of Sicily 16.95.1-2)

"Along with lavish display of every sort, Philip included in the procession statues of the twelve Gods wrought with great artistry and adorned with a dazzling show of wealth to strike awe to the beholder, and along with these was conducted a thirteenth statue, suitable for a god, that of Philip himself, so that the king exhibited himself enthroned among the twelve Gods. Every seat in the theater was taken when Philip appeared wearing a white cloak and by his express orders his bodyguard held away from him and followed only at a distance, since he wanted to show publicly that he was protected by the goodwill of all the Hellenes, and had no need of a guard of spearmen."
(Diodoros of Sicily 16.92.5-93.2)

"After this Alexandros left Dareios's mother, his daughters,and his son in Susa, providing them with persons to teach them the hellenic dialect,..."
(Diodoros of Sicily 17.67.1)

"Alexandros observed that his soldiers were exhausted with their constant campaigns. ...The hooves of the horses had been worn thin by steady marching. The arms and armour were wearing out, and the Hellenic clothing was quite gone. They had to clothe themselves in materials of the barbarians,..."
(Diodoros of Sicily 17.94.1-2)

"Is considered this king (Philip) began his monarchy with the bad conditions and he conquered the bigger monarchy of Hellenes (Macedonia) increasing the hegemony no so much with the heroism of arms, as long as with the skilful handlings and his diplomacy."
(Dionysios Sikeliotis, 16-95)

"and the Athenians were not ready to concede the leading position among the Greeks to Macedon."
[Diodorus of Sicily, 17.3.2]




"Similarly, the Thebans voted to drive out the garrison in the Cadmeia and not to concede to Alexander the leadership of the Greeks."

[Diodorus of Sicily, 17.3.4]




"First he [Alexander] dealt with the Thessalians, reminding them of his ancient relationship to them through Heracles"

[Diodorus of Sicily, 17.4.1]




"where he convened the assembly of the Amphictyons and had them pass a resolution granting him the leadership of the Greeks"

[Diodorus of Sicily, 17.4.2]

"He [Demosthenes] was generally believed to have received large sums of money from that source [King of Persian] in payment for his efforts to check the Macedonians and indeed Aeschines is said to have referred to this in a speech when he taunted Demosthenes with his venality:At the moment, it is true, his extravagance has been glutted by the king's gold, but even this will not satisfy him; no wealth has ever proved sufficient for a greedy character

[Diodorus of Sicily, 17.4.8]


"he spoke to them in moderate terms and had them pass a resolution appointing him general plenipotentiary of the Greeks and undertaking themselves to join in an expedition against Persia seeking satisfaction for the offences which the Persians had committed against Greece"

[Diodorus of Sicily, 17.4.9]

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Dionysius of Halicarnassus -

The Battle of Asculum (279 BC), between the Greeks forces of Pyrrhus of Epirus and the Romans under publius Decius Mus, from Dionysius of Halicarnassus, Roman Antiquities, p387, Excerpts from Book XX

"Having agreed through heralds upon the time when they would join in battle, they descended from their camps and took up their positions as follows: King Pyrrhus gave the Macedonian phalanx the first place on the right wing and placed next to it the Italiot mercenaries from Tarentum; then the troops from Ambracia and after them the phalanx of Tarentines equipped with white shields, forced by the allied force of Bruttians and Lucanians; in the middle of the battle-line he stationed the Thesprotians and Chaonians; next to them the mercenaries of the Aetolians, Acarnanians and Athamanians, and finally the Samnites, who constituted the left wing. Of the horse, he stationed the Samnite, Thessalian and Bruttian squadrons and the Tarentine mercenary force upon the right wing, and the Ambraciot, Lucanian and Tarentine squadrons and the Greek mercenaries, consisting of Acarnanians, Aetolians, Macedonians and Athamanians, on the left. The light-armed troops and the elephants he divided into two groups and placed them behind both wings, at a reasonable distance, in a position slightly elevated above the plain. He himself, surrounded by the royal agema, as it was called, of picked horsemen, about two thousand in number, was outs the battle-line, so as to aid promptly any of his troops in turn that might be hard pressed.*

References
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Dionysius_of_Halicarnassus/20*.html

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Titus Livius

"Aetolians, Acarnanians, Macedonians, men of the same language"
(T. Livius XXXI,29, 15)

"General Paulus of Rome surrounded by the ten Commissioners took his official seat surrounded by the whole crowds of Macedonians...Paulus announced in Latin the decisions of the Senate, as well as his own, made by the advice of his council. This announcement was translated into Greek and repeated by Gnaeus Octavius the Praetor-for he too was present."
(T. Livius,XLV)

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Velleius Paterculus -

"In this period, sixty-five years before the founding of Rome, Carthage was established by the Tyrian Elissa, by some authors called Dido. About this time also Caranus, a man of royal race, eleventh in descent from Hercules, set out from Argos and seized the kingship of Macedonia. From him Alexander the Great was descended in the seventeenth generation, and could boast that, on his mother's side, he was descended from Achilles, and, on his father's side, from Hercules. "
Velleius Paterculus, Book I

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ALEXANDER THE GREAT

Etymology of the name Alexander
The name Alexander is Greek in origin with the Greek form being 'Alexandros' or 'ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ'. The name is formed by two Greek words, 'Alexein' to protect and 'Andros' meaning man; hence Alexandros means 'Protector/Defender of Man'

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The name Alexander in more detail: masc. proper name, from L., from Greek. Alexandros "defender of men," from alexein "to ward off, keep off, turn (something) away, defend, protect" + aner (gen. andros) "man." The first element is related to Gk. alke "protection, help, strength, power, courage," alkimos "strong;" cf. also Skt. raksati "protects," O.E. ealgian "to defend." As a kind of cocktail, it is attested from 1930.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Alexander

http://mizian.com.ne.kr/englishwiz/library/names/etymology_of_first_names.htm
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Kings of Macedon

Karanus 808- 778 BC
Koinos
Tyrimmas
Perdiccas I 700-678 BC
Argaeus I 678-640 BC
Philip I 640-602 BC
Aeropus I 602-576 BC
Alcetas I 576-547 BC
Amyntas I 547-498 BC
Alexander I 498-454 BC
Perdiccas II 454-413 BC
Archelaus I 413-399 BC
Craterus 399 BC
Orestes 399-396 BC
Archelaus II 396-393 BC
Amyntas II 393 BC
Pausanias 393 BC
Amyntas III 393 BC
Argaeus II 393-392 BC
Amyntas III (restored) 392-370 BC
Alexander II 370-368 BC
Ptolemy I 368-365 BC
Perdiccas III 365-359 BC
Amyntas IV 359-356 BC
Philip II 359-336 BC
Alexander III (the Great) 336-323 BC
Antipater, Regent of Macedon 334-319 BC
Philip III (Arridaeus) 323-317 BC
Alexander IV 323-310 BC
Perdiccas, Regent of Macedon 323-321 BC
Antipater, Regent of Macedon 321-319 BC
Polyperchon, Regent of Macedon 319-317 BC
Cassander, Regent of Macedon 317-306 BC
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Argead dynasty

Argead Dynasty
Karanus
Koinos
Tyrimmas
Perdiccas I
Argaeus I 678-640 BC
Philip I 640-602 BC
Aeropus I 602-576 BC
Alcetas I 576-547 BC
Amyntas I 547-498 BC
Alexander I 498-454 BC
Perdiccas II 454-413 BC
Archelaus I 413-399 BC
Orestes 399-396 BC
Archelaus II 396-393 BC
Amyntas II 393 BC
Pausanias 393 BC
Amyntas III 393 BC
Argaeus II 393-392 BC
Amyntas III (restored) 392-370 BC
Alexander II 370-368 BC
Ptolemy I 368-365 BC
Perdiccas III 365-359 BC
Amyntas IV 359-356 BC
Philip II 359-336 BC
Alexander III (the Great) 336-323 BC
Antipater, Regent of Macedon 334-319 BC
Philip III (Arridaeus) 323-317 BC
Alexander IV 323-310 BC
Perdiccas, Regent of Macedon 323-321 BC
Antipater, Regent of Macedon 321-319 BC
Polyperchon, Regent of Macedon 319-317 BC
Cassander, Regent of Macedon 317-306 BC
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THE SLAVIC MIGRATION

SLAVIC APPEARANCE IN GREECE

First Appearance

The first written appearance of the Slavic Tribes at the Balkan was in the 5th century. The sources speak of many disunited tribes divided into two groups north of the Danube the Antes and the Slaveni. At the same time followed the same path we had the appearance of a large number of Turkic people including Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Cumans and Pechenegs.

Most of the Balkans was settled by Slavs of one of two types (excluding the smaller groups of Slavic Slovenes and Turkic Avars in the Western Balkans). Each of these two main Slavic groups was to be named for a second conquering group who appeared later in the 7th century. Were the Danubian Bulgars. The exact ethnic origin of them is controversial. It is in any case most probable that they had enveloped groupings of diverse origins during their migration westwards across the Eurasian steppes, and they undoubtedly spoke a form of Turkic as their main language.


This groups, the Danubian Bulgars, whose Slavic component according Bulgarian historian Zlatarski called them as Bulgarian-Macedonian derives from the Antes. They were conquered in the late 7th century by the Turkic Bulgars or the Slavs eventually assimilated them, but the Bulgars name survived. It denoted this Slavic group from the 9th century through the rest of the medieval period into modern days. Until the late 19th century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-macedonians who had ethnic consiousness believed that their group, which is now two separate nationalities, comprised a single people, the Bulgarians. Thus the reader should ignore references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle Ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle Ages and into the 19th century the Macedonian Term was used entirely in reference to a geographical region (as also the Thracian,Moesian e.t.c.) Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could called as a Macedonian .

Neverthless, the absence of a national counsiousness in the past is no grounds to reject the Slav-macedonians of the FYROM as a nationality today with the obligation of course to be a severe and direct demarcation with the others Macedonians that consider themselfs as Greeks, Bulgarians, Vlachs, e.t.c.

For the story the second Slavic group was the Serbo-Croatian that according Zlatarski derives from the Slaveni. These Slavs came to be dominated by two diffrent but similar tribals peoples called Serbs and Croats in the 2nd quarter of the 7th century

References:

1-Ancient Medieval Cambringe History
2-The Making Of the Slavs, Kurta
3-The Macedonian Question,Dimiter Minchev
4-Medieval Balkan History, Finne



Ethnic and Historical Origins of F.Y.R.O.M - Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia

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Overview


This Page is reserved to highlight the historic and ethnic origins of the Slavs of fyrom and the historical circumstances under which the first emergence of the ethnically artificial 'Macedonism' occured during the 19th century. These Macedonists were defined as a group favouring an autonomous or independent Macedonian state. As an extension of this they favoured, in differing degrees, the complete or partial seperation from the Slavo-Bulgarian consciousness in the region of a Slavic 'Macedonian ethnicity' and hence also a 'Macedonian' conciousness and language. The ideology drew on the historical legacy of the region with an implied sense of ethnicity in order to draw support to its cause. It was an ideology which then later found its fruition, having initially been adopted before WW2 by Balkan party commiterns under Soviet supervision, when it was formally adopted, subsumed and exploited by Yugoslavia under Partisan leader Tito in the aftermath of WW2. The situation exists today in the form where the Slavs of F.Y.R.O.M (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia) have a 'Macedonian' nationality, a nationality having been constructed, with multiple factors contributing for over a century. Primary and secondary sources following will illustrate this point.





Overview of Slavic Migratory history in the Balkans and Macedonia

Slavs had arrived in the region after crossing the Danube during the 6th and 7th centuries AD. The inhabitants of Macedonia of significant numbers prior to the large Slavic migrations, were the Greeks, the Vlachs (A Romanized people), Albanians (North West). Smaller settlements of Turkish inhabitants came with the advent of Ottoman rule as well as a small percentage of Gypsy Roma who inhabited the area. Come the Slavic migrations, the bulk of the Vardar (FYROM) region's Slavs were recorded as being ethnic Bulgarians; and as well in the North around Skopje there was an encroaching Serbian influence.

Note* The fact that Slavic Migrations occured over 1000 years after the time of the ancient kingdom of Macedon in the 6th and 7th centuries, is obviously ignored by Skopjian revisionist historians who claim that a Slavonic Macedonian ethnicity has existed for 2000 years with a continuation of Ancient Macedon. Nevertheless we will not dwell on that fact as this page is specifically designed to describe the historic origins of F.Y.R.O.M and its 'Macedonian' ethnogenosis, an ethnogenosis which occured over a millenia after the first Slavic migrations to the area. For further information and sources visit the Slavic History and Slavic Migration pages


Introduction - Ethnogenesis




It is a fact that the Slavs of FYROM now have an artificial 'ethnic Macedonian' conscience and owe this to various historical and political circumstances. This political turmoil involved the forcefully competing interets in Macedonia of the Russian, Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman empires as well as the emerging nation states; Greece, Serbia and Bulgaria. The first origins of this 'Macedonism' are found in the mid-to-latter stage of the 19th century as an ideology with little influence on the Slavic population of Macedonia initially. The outcome of these circumstances is the Macedonian issue in the form of FYROM's historical revisionism we are opposed to here today.




These historical circumstances, under which the Slavic Macedonist ideology was constructed, climaxed in 1944. It was during this time, the aftermath of WW2, that the situation took a radical turn in terms of the completion of the construction of a seperate "Macedonian ethnicity". True to the policy decided upon by the various interconnected commiterns of the Balkans at assemblies in the years before WW2, wartime Partisan leader Tito adopted the 'Macedonism' for his own political and expansionist reasons; notably Belgrade and Moscow's objectives were control of Greek Macedonia and the warm water port of Salonika on the Aegean. The first measures to codify a "Macedonian nation" taken by the CPY (Communist Party of Yugoslavia) following its take over of Yugoslavia (including modern FYROM) after WW2 was rename the Vardar region the 'Socialist Republic of Macedonia' and delegate a puppet Macedonian government in Skopje in 1944. An example of the first stages of ethnogenisis in 1888:

In a letter to Prof. Marin Drinov of May 25, 1888 Kuzman Shapkarev writes:


"But even stranger is the name Macedonians, which was imposed on us only 10 to 15 years ago by outsiders, and not as something by our own intellectuals... Yet the people in Macedonia know nothing of that ancient name, reintroduced today with a cunning aim on the one hand and a stupid one on the other. They know the older word: "Bugari", although mispronounced: they have even adopted it as peculiarly theirs, inapplicable to other Bulgarians. You can find more about this in the introduction to the booklets I am sending you. They call their own Macedono-Bulgarian dialect the "Bugarski language", while the rest of the Bulgarian dialects they refer to as the "Shopski language". (Makedonski pregled, IX, 2, 1934, p. 55; the original letter is kept in the Marin Drinov Museum in Sofia, and it is available for examination and study)

the original In Bulgarian:


"No pochudno e imeto Makedonci, koeto naskoro, edvay predi 10-15 godini, ni natrapiha i to otvqn, a ne kakto nyakoi mislyat ot samata nasha inteligenciya... Narodqt obache v Makedoniya ne znae nishto za tova arhaichesko, a dnes, s lukava cel ot edna strana, s glupeshka ot druga, podnoveno prozvishte; toy si znae postaroto: Bugari, makar i nepravilno proiznasyano, daje osvoyava si go kato sobstveno i preimushtestveno svoe, nejeli za drugite Bqlgari. Za tova shte vidite i v predgovora na izpratenite mi knijici. Toy naricha Bugarski ezik svoeto Makaedono-bqlgarsko narechie, kogato drugite bqlgarski narechiya naricha Shopski."

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Macedonism - the ideology's first emergence in the 19th century and the ground it gained up until 1945

Emerging in the middle to later stages of the 1800s, without ethnic/ historic reality, this Macedonist phenomena was never prolific enough to eventuate on its own and never consituted a fully fledged ethnicity. All foreign examinations attest to this, never deeming such Macedonism neither significant to constitute being mentioned as an ethnicity in official maps, censuses etc. The 'codification' of this artificial ethnisism occured in post-war Yugoslavia with the creation of the 'Socialist Republic of Macedonia', the "Macedonian language" as well as the "Macedonian Orthodox Church" in 1968 by the Yugoslav communist party.

In the years before WWII, the "Macedonists", as the Bulgarians called them, were clearly a minority, especially amongst the uneducated peasant masses of Macedonia. Yet their views were gaining ground; if only a little. The Macedonists are recorded as having told the peasants they were descendants of the glorious ancient Macedonians, that they civilised all the Slavs through St Cyril and Methodius and they looked down on the rest of Bulgarians. With the advent of Yugoslav rule and the forceful policies of Serbinization and de-Bulgarianization which occured on them, the Macedonists did gain ground however with the idea of an autonomous Macedonia gaining favour.

During WW2 Tito enjoyed the support of the leftist Slav partisans in Vardar who favoured 'Macedonism' as an alternative to the forceful nature of the Bulgarian fascist occupation. Yet at the same time much of the population welcomed the Bulgarians as liberators, despite having been under Yugoslav/ Serb rule since 1913 and being subject to Serbinization policies since that time. In some ways however, a German invasion and subsequent fascist Bulgarian occupation again gained more ground in popularity for the Macedonists and seperatism from Bulgaria in terms of conscience.

Tito capitalised in the growing support for an independent/ autonomous Macedonia eminatting from the leftist spectrum of Vardar, espcially through leftist groups such as SNOF, a group made up of Slav partisans taking its orders through Belgrade as a sub-branch of the Yugoslav Partisan movement. More on the collusion of the various communist forces of the region, Greek, Bulgarian and Vardarskan with Belgrade and Moscow and their contribution to the Macedonian affair can be found later on in this article.







Artificial ethnogenosis - an ideology in the minority and its struggle to materialise




This quote from the 1950s after 5 years of Yugoslav Communist rule gives an idea of the ground still needed to be gained:

"In regard to their own national feelings, all that can safely be said is that during the last eighty years many more Slav Macedonians seem to have considered themselves Bulgarian, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skoplje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothig but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deep-rooted."

Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics", (originally published in 1950 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs), p.10







"Since they were closely related to both Bulgars and Serbs and had, moreover, in the past been usually incorporated in either the Bulgar or Serb state, they inevitably became the object of both Bulgar and Serb aspirations and an apple of discord between these rival nationalities. As an oppressed people on an exceedingly primitive level, the Macedonian Slavs had as late as the congress of Berlin exhibited no perceptible national consciousness of their own. It was therefore impossible to foretell in what direction they would lean when their awakening came; in fact, so indeterminate was the situation that under favorable circumstances they might even develop ther own peculiar Macedonian consciousness."

[Ferdinand Schevill, "A History of the Balkans", p.432]


Krste Misirkov

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Krste Misirkov is an example of the struggle of the Macedonist philosophy to materialise initially. He is also prime example of the often fluxuating ethnic conscience of some of the early Macedonists at the turn of the century. Many intellectuals were having to decide whether they favoured annexation by Bulgaria, or an autonomous Macedonia. While Misirkov is curiously heralded by Skopjians as one of the "founders of the Macedonian nation", he is also wrote that the Slavs of Macedonia "are more Bulgarian than those in Bulgaria!".


He was the first person to transform "Macedonian" as a literary language. While in Sofia in 1903, he published the book Za Makedonckite Raboti ('On Macedonian Matters') in which he laid down the principles of the 'Macedonian' language. According to this book, the language should be based on the central dialects of Vardar. He also used those dialects to write the book itself. Misirkov died in 1926. Decades after his death with the communist takeover of Yugoslavia, Misirkov's principles were used by the Yugoslav committees for the codification of the Macedonian language.


It appears that at one point in his life, under Russian sponsership, he favoured his own brand of Macedonism and this is when he published his book on the 'Macedonian language. Later he adopted a vehemently Bulgarian nationalist stance and abandoned his Macedonism, apparently beleiving it would never materialise as an ideology; though it ironically it did, long after his death after WW2.

In his book, The national identity of the Macedonians, which he wrote in 1924, two years before he died, he uncompromisingly defends the Bulgarian character of the population of Macedonia saying "We [Macedonian Slavs] are more Bulgarian than those in Bulgaria!". He completley retracts everything he wrote in his book Za Makedonckite Raboti about the Macedonian language, with the explanation that "I wrote it as a politician". The book is considerably pro-Bulgarian, describing himself as a Bulgarian, nationalistically so.


Krste Misirkov National Identity of the Macedonians. 1924 γ:


Misirkov wrote:

1. We speak Bulgarian language and we believed with Bulgarians is our strong power.

2. The Bulgarians in Macedonia. The future of Macedonia is spiritual union of the Bulgarians in Macedonia.

3. The Macedonian Slavs are called Bulgarians.

4. The biggest part of the population are called Bulgarians.

5. All spoke that Macedonians are Bulgarians. Until 1978 all including Russian Government spoke the Macedonians are Bulgarians. But after the Berlin Congress the Serbs came with pretension to have Macedonia. They try to change the European opinion that in Macedonia there are Serbian too.

6. If Ilinden uprising win we will be thankful to Bulgarians, but Serbians try to compete with Bulgarians and spend a lot of money and propaganda. If Macedonia is autonomic there will be no space for propaganda and the Serbs have to leave Bulgarian in peace.

7. The Ilinden Uprising Committee is Bulgarian.

8. Bulgarian Language and Bulgarian name. The Committee is ready to give guarantee to Europe that Macedonia will not unify with Bulgaria, but they can't take the Bulgarian name and language from Macedonia!

9. Unification between Turks and Bulgarians in Macedonia. Serbia and Greece do not want to give us autonomous and independent Macedonia, because they see this as a fist step to unification. In Macedonia have only pure Bulgarian population, which can't be unified with the Turks.

10. Serbia is against autonomous Macedonia. Serbia is afraid because Macedonia with the Bulgarian population will have tendency to united with Bulgaria and for this reason Serbia will not allow this.

11. They divided us and now they do not allow us to unify. We are living now 25 years divided from Bulgaria and they do not allow us to unify? We call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians and see us as separate and radically different from the Serbs with Bulgarian national consciousness.

12. Our Grandfathers call themselves Bulgarians. They never thing that we will be having such a problem to call ourselves so.

13. Bulgarian Literally Language. We the Macedonians voluntarily choose one and the same language with Bulgarians long before the liberation of Bulgaria from Turkey. The prohibition from the Serbs to use our literally language, which is the only one connection between us and Bulgarians is significant violation of our human rights. .. and further.. when they forbid us to call ourselves Bulgarians, to learn Bulgarian history and to be ashamed from everything which connect us with Bulgarians. It is enough to learn our Macedonian culture and history to understand that we are very different from Serbian nationality.

14. There no difference between Bulgarian and Macedonian Slav. The Greeks in 1804 long before Bulgarian exarchate do not make any difference between Bulgarian and West Macedonian dialect.

15. Bulgarian national name of Macedonians. In the IX century in the first Bulgarian kingdom we do not have anything against this Bulgarian national name for us and for the rest of Bulgarians in Bulgaria.

16. We Macedonian Bulgarians (Macedonians) like Bulgarian state as our own.

17. The Serbs are much inferior than we are. We demand freedom for all of us and not to be material for assimilation experiments of the Serbs, which stand much inferior from us in spiritual narrow-mindedness and chauvinism.

18. The Serbs come to the idea of the Macedonian nationality. The Serbs develop the concept for special Macedonian Nation, which they put in the south Macedonia. They declare north Macedonia as a pure Serbian land. Middle Macedonia as a transition between Serbian and Macedonian language.

19. The population of Skopje is pure Bulgarian. Bulgaria make a big error when recognize the territory for "neutral". It is pure Bulgarian and the population in Skopje and surrounding area is pure Bulgarian.

20. Why the Serbs want Macedonia? What Serbian you can find in this pure Bulgarian land, which is since 6 century till today Bulgarian, despite of all vicissitude of the historical destiny.

21. Serbian-Greek attempt on the Bulgarians in Macedonia. Because of the treaty between Serbia and Greece Bulgaria was robed and 2 Millions Bulgarians where conquered from Serbia and Greece. Yes! To many damage did the Serbs on Bulgaria, Macedonia and Dobrudja and with this they do not stop! They filled that their vicious work will be discovered and to be prosecuted by the Slavic consciousness because of the freedom of 1/3 of Bulgarians - the Bulgarians in Macedonia.

22. The lies about Bulgarian and Bulgaria. Restoration of the human rights of the Bulgarians in Macedonia and Dobrudja, despite of the lies spread for Bulgaria and Bulgarians! Who is against Great Bulgaria, he is against the Slavs!

23. Krali Marko songs in Macedonia are from Bulgarian origin. The songs of Krali Marko in Macedonia are from Bulgarian origin and speak for the Bulgarian influence over the Serbs and not the opposite.

24. The Serbs will coarse many wars, if the "Dushan empire" will not disappear. In the last quarter of the XIX century the Serbs start to dream to restore this abandon from Serbs it selves empire. With intrigues and and allies they conquer big part of Bulgarian Macedonia. But this Serbian advantages of 1912 coarse the war in 1913 and they coarse the war in 1915-1918 and will coarse many more wars, unless "Dushan empire" get liquidate in the same way as in XIV century on the principal of the self-determination of the nations.

25. Serbs falsify the history. In Bulgaria Macedonians have all personal rights, freedom of expression and self-determination in Bulgaria. The Serbs try to destroy the soul of the Macedonians and for that reason the falsify the hole history. In this Serbian logic and Serbian fillings there are something abnormal, which is prove of the failure of the Serbian state. They are afraid from the Macedonians in Macedonia and also this living outside.

26. The Macedonian population is against Serbs. You have to know that because your Serbian politics against Macedonians you have against you all past present and future Balkan governments and the Macedonian population.

27. The Bulgarians are our fellow citizens. The European recognize that only independent sate will put an end of the competition conquer and hegemony on the Balkan. An will end once forever violence of the new conquer. And everlasting peace on the Balkan and in Europe will rise. Greece and Serbia will loose territorially and les Bulgaria and will win all Macedonians.

28. The Serbs forbid us to celebrate all Bulgarian holidays. We are forced to celebrate St. Sava and forbid to celebrate St. Cyril and St. Methodius and Ilinden Uprising.

29. Our souls are in Bulgaria. Serbia conquer the land and the body of Macedonians, the souls are in Bulgaria and with Bulgaria.

30. Krste Petkov Misirkov defines himself as a Bulgarian. 1897 I was accepted in Petersburg University in Russia and five years I was Bulgarian student community as Bulgarian.

31. Self appreciation of the statement in the book "For Macedonian matters". The readers of this article will be very surprised of the big controversy opinion, which they will meet here in comparison with the article "For Macedonian matters". To understand this contradiction I will remember you, that I wrote as an improvised politicians

http://nka.com.mk/misirkov/can_macedonia.htm

Foreign Evaluation of the ethnic make-up of Macedonia around the time of the Balkan wars




Macedonia was a geographical label, not ethnic. For outside/ foreign observers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when the first stages of Macedonist ethnogenosis had taken place, there was simply not sufficient evidence to distinguish the Vardar Slavs from the Bulgarians. Indeed there was simply no historic reality to a "Macedonian" race existing for thousands of years in the region. This is reflected through the fact that foreign records did not take into consideration the small faction of Macedonists when considering the pressing Macedonian Problem, its ethnic make-up and future in light of the crumbling Ottoman Empire.

Needless to say not one foreign record, map or census: be it Ottoman, English, French or anyother ever mentioned a seperate "Macedonian ethnicity" or real "Macedonian language" (see numerous maps and censuses below).





None of the following censuses identified any "Macedonian" language/ conscience/ ethnicity; only Greek, Bulgarian, Vlach, Turk, Albanian, Roma or Serb:

-The League of Nations (forerunner to UN set up after WWI) never mentions any Macedonian race/ ethnicity.

-Journal "Le Temps" Paris 1905 (Gave a total population of 2,782,000 inhabitants and no "macedonian" race)

-Prof. G. Wiegland - Die Nationalen Bestrebungen der Balkansvölker. Leipzig 1898 (Gave a total population of 2,275,000 inhabitants and no "macedonian" race)

-1904 Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha for Thessaloniki, Monastiri, Scopje

-1906 Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha for the area of Macedonia.

-Official Turkish Statistic Ethnicity of Macedonia Philippopoli 1881

-Vassil Kantcheff - Macedonia Ethnicity and Statistic - 1900

-Leon Dominian - The frontiers of Language and Nationality in Europe. Published for the American Geographical Society of New York 1917

-Richard von Mach - Der Machtbereich des bulgarischen Exarchats in der Türkei. Leipzig - Neuchatel, 1906

-Prinz Tcherkasky ethnographie 1877

Lingustically there is no doubting that the so called "Macedonian language" of today is a Bulgarian dialect. The Slavs of Vardar were traditionally described as Bulgarian by foreign obsevers and the Macedonists first dubbed their Bugarski dialect 'Makedonski' in the 19th century (As was described earlier in the page by Shapkarev in 1888). For more information on the Skopjian language and the history of its transformation from a Bulgarian idiom to a "Macedonian" language visit the page: Linguistic origins - From Bulgarian dialect to "Macedonian" language




According to this 1899 edition of Encyclopedia Brittanica considering the respective Serb and Bulgarian for the Slavonic population: "Almost all independent authorities, however, agree that the bulk of the Slavonic population of Macedonia is Bulgarian"


1903 London Times article outlining the Macedonian problem. Evidently the article does not consider Macedonism significant enough, or any revisionist claims of a "Macedonian ethnicity" a reality . The only ethnic groups mentioned are Albanians, Turks, Vlachs, Rumanians, Greeks, Servian and Bulgarian.
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Slavonic population exerpt (Click for greater picture resolution):

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/b/bc/Slavsofmak.JPG/900px-Slavsofmak.JPG

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A later Encycolpedia Brittanica edition from 1911 on Macedonia refers to the diverse ethnic make-up of Macedonia, and does not mention any Macedonian ethnicity, only Macedonian Greeks, Macedonian Bulgarians, Vlachs, Turks, Albanians, Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, Armenian minority and so on:

http://36.1911encyclopedia.org/M/MA/MACEDONIA.htm


Some Excerpts:

"Population.The population of Macedonia may perhaps be estimated at 2,200,000. About 1,300,000 are Christians of various churches and nationalities; more than 800,000 are Mahommedans, and about 75,000 are Jews. Of the Christians, the great majority profess the Eastern Orthodox faith, owning allegiance either to the Hellenic patriarchate or the Bulgarian exarchate. Among the Orthodox Christians are reckoned some 4000 Turks. The small Catholic minority is composed chiefly of Uniate Bulgarians (about 3600), occupying the districts of Kukush and Doiran; there are also some 2000 Bulgarian Protestants, principally inhabiting the valley of Razlog. The Mahommedan population is mainly composed of Turks (about 500,000). In addition to these there are some 130,000 Bulgars, 120,000 Albanians, 35,000 gipsies and 14,000 Greeks, together with a smaller number of Vlachs, Jews and Circassians, who profess the creed of Islam. The untrustworthy Turkish statistics take religion, not nationality, as the basis of classification. All Moslems are included in the millet, or nation, of Islam. The~ RiZm, or Roman (i.e. Hellenic) millet comprises all those who acknowledge the authority of the Oecumenical patriarch, and consequently includes, in addition to the Greeks, the Servians, the Vlachs, and a certain number of Bulgarians; the Bulgar millet comprises the Bulgarians who accept the rule of the exarchate; the other millets are the Katolik (Catholics), Ermeni (Gregorian Armenians), Musevi (Jews) and Prodesdan (Protestants). The population of Macedonia, at all times scanty, has undoubtedly diminished in recent years. There has been a continual outflow of the Christian population in the direction of Bulgaria, Servia and Greece, and a corresponding emigration of the Turkish peasantry to Asia Minor. Many of the smaller villages are being abandoned by their inhabitants, who migrate for safety to the more considerable townsusually situated at some point where a mountain pass descends to the outskirts of the plains. In the agricultural districts the Christian peasants, or royal, are either small proprietors or cultivate holdings on the estates of Turkish landowners. The upland districts are thinly inhabited by a nomad pastoral population."


"The typical Hellenic, with his superior education, his love of politics and commerce, and his distaste for laborious occupations, has always been a dweller in cities. In Salonica, Serres, Kavala, Castoria, and other towns in southern Macedonia the Hellenic element is strong; in the northern towns it is insignIficant, except at Melnik, which is almost exclusively Hellenic."


"With the exception of the southern and western districts already specified, the principal towns, and certain isolated tracts, the whole of Macedonia is inhabited by a race or The races speaking a Slavonic dialect. If language is Slavonic adopted as a test, the great bulk of the rural popula- Population. tion must be described as Slavonic. The Slays first crossed the Danube at the beginning of the 3rd century, but their great immigration took place in the 6th and 7th centuries. They overran the entire peninsula, driving the Greeks to the shores of the Aegean, the Albanians into the Mirdite country, and the latinized population of Macedonia into the highland districts, such as Pindus, Agrapha and Olympus. The Slays, a primitive agricultural and pastoral people, were often unsuccessful in their attacks on the fortified towns, which remained centres of Hellenism. In the outlying parts of the peninsula they were absorbed, or eventually driven back, by the original populations, but in the central region they probably assimilated a considerable proportion of the latinized races. The western portions of the peninsula were occupied by Serb and Slovene tribes: the Slays of the eastern and central portions were conquered at the end of the 7th century by the Bulgarians, a Ugro-Finnish horde, who established a despotic political organization, but being less numerous than the subjected race were eventually absorbed by it. The Mongolian physical type, which prevails in the districts between the Balkans and the Danube, is also found in central Macedonia, and may be recognized as far west as Ochrida and Dibra. In general, however, the Macedonian Slavs differ somewhat both in appearance and character from their neighbors beyond the Bulgarian and Servian frontiers: the peculiar type which they present is probably due to a considerable admixture of Vlach, Hellenic~ Albanian and Turkish blood, and to the influence of the surrounding races. Almost all independent authorities, however, agree that the bulk of the Slavonic population of Macedonia is Bulgarian. The principal indication is furnished by the language, which, though resembling Servian in some respects (e.g. the case-endings, which are occasionally retained), presents most of the characteristic features of Bulgarian (see BULGARIA)"


Ethnic/ racial maps concerning the Macedonia and Vardar regions

None of these racial/ ethnological maps record a "Macedonian" race/ ethnicity. Indeed no contemporary racial cartographer deems the Macedonist seperatists significant enough to be recorded in any maps. Ethnologists only recorded Greeks, Bulgarians, Serbs, Albanians, Turks, Vlachs/ Aromanians, Turks and other minorities such as Gypsy Roma, Armenians etc. (Click for higher resolution of pictures)

Map from 1877 by the British Stanford firm, studying the ethnology of Macedonia at the time:

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/5/54/British_stanford_large.jpg/600px-British_stanford_large.jpg

American, Ravenstine map:

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/b/b3/1880-geoturkeyethnographical.jpg/600px-1880-geoturkeyethnographical.jpg

French Map:

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/b/bd/Yugoethnic.gif/600px-Yugoethnic.gif

This Racial Map of Europe does not mention a Macedonian race and cites most of Vardar as Bulgarian. [Source Records of the Great War (National Alumni 1923 Volume VII)

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/4/40/Rmap1.jpg/900px-Rmap1.jpg

More maps:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/f/fc/Macedonia_19192.jpg
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/6/65/Serbo_and_bulgo_skop_dialects.jpg
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/0/03/Ethnic.jpg
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/b/b4/Kiepert.jpg
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/a/af/Brailsford.jpg
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/4/4f/British42.jpg
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/c/c4/Bulgarian_map.JPG



The Balkan wars - Bulgarian defeat means Vardarska cedes to Yugoslav/ Serbian Kingdom



Ottoman Empire and the Balkan wars


Ottoman rule was declining fast by that time and Austrian, Russian imperialist interests as well as Serb, Bulgarian and Greek nationalist interests, all wanting a peice of Ottoman Macedonia fuelled the turmoil from which the Macedonism first emerged.


Between the 19th century and 1913, the Greeks and the Bulgarians had their own respective struggles against Turkey and against eachother with ethnic Bulgarian uprisings occuring at Ilinden and at Krushevo; the latter (Krushevo) involved many Macedonists. In 1913 the Balkan wars over Macedonia between Greece, Serbia (or Yugoslavia) and Bulgaria with the Great Powers watching on, in Thrace and the Vardar region ended. Greece had gained the largest share of Macedonia and Thrace in the South which roughly corresponded to the areas where ethnic Greeks lived as well as corresponding to historical boundaries of anceint Greek Macedonia and the Serbs had gained the Vardar region (modern FYROM). The Bulgarians that did live in the territory won by Greece were exchanged with Greeks living in Bulgarian territory at the time. Hence whilst Greece and Bulgaria exchanged their nationals (96,000 Bulgarians and 46,000 Greeks were exchanged) the same was not done for Serbia which retained its Bulgarian nationals. This resulted in a need for Serbia to adopt an even more aggressive policy of Serbinization of the Slavs of Vardar and quite possibly a shot in the arm for the ideology of the Macedonists. The Yugoslav Kingdom referred to what is now modern F.Y.R.O.M as 'Vardarska' or Southern Serbia.


A post card from 'Vardarska', part of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia as it would have been produced between 1913 and WW2:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/6/6e/Vardaska-postcard.jpg/400px-Vardaska-postcard.jpg

The VMRO (or IMRO, the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization)


Through the VMRO organisation active in Macedonia, Bulgarian aspirations in Macedonia, as well as the added political dimension of the emergence of the Macedonists can be seen. VMRO members of the right side of the political spectrum (such as its leader, Goce Delchev) favouring the annexation of Macedonia by Bulgaria while the leftists of the VMRO favoured autonomy or independence in varying degrees. (Needless to say that today the Skopjian propagandists claim Goce Delchev and the VMRO as exclusively "Macedonian nationalists" despite the fact that Delchev was a self proclaimed Bulgarian). The Illinden and Krushevo Uprisings and give an insight into the Bulgarian struggle which Skopjian revisionists now seek to appropriate as events exclusively expressing "Macedonian" nationalism.


For multiple foreign sources describing Bulgarian character of the organisation which is now claimed by revisionists to be an 'ethnic Macedonian' nationalists and more on the organisation itself, visit the page; VMRO (IMRO), Illinden and Krushevo

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WW2 and Yugoslavia
In 1941 Yugoslavia (including Vardar) was overrun by Nazi Germany. After Yugoslavia fell the Germans then invaded Greece, captured Thessaloniki and later Athens. Bulgaria, an ally/ satellite state also took part in the invasion of Greece and its army was assigned by the Germans for the occupation of Vardar, Thrace and parts of Greek Macedonia.

Yugoslavia and Greece under German and Bulgarian occupation 1941-45:

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/1/15/Map_balk1940.gif

Historical consequences of World War Two

Ww2 had important and far-reaching consequesnces for the Slavs of Vardar and Macedonia. Since 1913 Vardarska had been subject to a policy of Serbinization and De-Bulgarianisation by the Yugoslav Kingdom. The reaction to Bulgarian occupation of the Slavs population in Vardar, a population which had a substantially Bulgarian conscience prior to 1913, was mixed. In many ways the pre-Balkan war struggle between pro-Bulgarian Slavs in Vardar and pro-autonomists was revived. In this instance however, the Macedonists were less of a minority and comprised of more an element of a leftist reaction to Bulgarian fascist occupation.

Whilst many welcomed the Bulgarians as liberators; the forceful nature of the Bulgarian fascistic occupation prompted a reaction against it; in particular a reaction from the leftists of the region and this evidently aided the Macedonist cause. The occupation encouraged many Vardarskan Slavs to join the Yugoslav partisans and undoubtedly provided a shot in the arm for the Macedonists who had long been in favour of an 'Independent/ Autonomous Macedonia' as opposed to annexation by Bulgaria. The the Yugoslav Communist Partisans, led by Marshall Josip Broz Tito, had sub-organisations such as SNOF, a leftist and Slavic partisan movement in the Vardar region; many of whom were in support of an independent Macedonia. Eventually the Partisans began receiving substantial logistical support from the Soviets. Orders passed from Moscow to Belgrade and then onto the many sub-branched Partisan resistance groups in the region such as SNOF (See the CIA documentation on the Organisation of SNOF under Yugoslav command




The immediate result was Bulgarian occupation (but not accession) of Thrace and Macedonia, which Bulgarian troops took from Greece and Yugoslavia respectively in April 1941. Although the territorial gains were initially very popular in Bulgaria, complications soon arose in the occupied territories. Autocratic Bulgarian administration of Thrace and Macedonia was no improvement over the Greeks and the Serbs; expressions of Macedonian national feeling grew, and uprisings occurred in Thrace.

http://www.mongabay.com/reference/country_studies/bulgaria/HISTORY.html


There was of course Slavs in Vardar who supported Bulgarian occupation as mentioned. In 1941 when Hitler's army entered Skopje, there were thousands of Bulgarian flags there to greet them and the German army was welcome as liberators. King Boris of Bulgaria was received in 1942 in Skopje as a liberator. Partisansand Western literature was read in Skopje in the Bulgarian language. Even The Communist Part of Skopje left the C.P. of Yugoslavia and joined the Bulgarian Communist Party for a time, despite the Vardar Partisans' close cooperation with and support from the Yugoslav Partisans.

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/1/19/Bulgars_in_vardar.JPG
Bulgarian Slavs in Vardar welcome the Bulgarians as liberators, holding frames of Adolf Hitler and Bulgarian King Boris






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Post WW2 and Tito - 'Macedonism' finds its fruition

By the end of WW2 and the German retreat, the Communist Partisans, under Marshall Josip Broz Tito, emerged as the most powerful force in Yugoslavia. Under the Yalta Conference Agreement between the Soviets and Western Powers, Yugoslavia (including modern F.Y.R.O.M) was agreed to be left to the CPY (Communist Party of Yugoslavia) and under the Soviets' sphere of influence receiving much financial and military aid from Moscow. Bulgaria also came under the Soviet bloc at this time. At Yalta, Greece however was agreed to remain outside the communist bloc and in 1948 the Monarchists/ non-communists, with British and American support, won the civil war and defeated the Greek communists who were supported by the Yugoslavs and Soviets. Despite this set-back, both Tito and Stalin agressively pursued other tactics of attempting to establish a presence in Greece as well as building up a large presence on both the Greek and Turkish borders in Yugoslavia and Bulgaria. The CPY continued its claims on Greek Macedonia in the decades following, despite later breaking from Stalin's influence in 1948 and followed a policy of non-allignment which endured in Yugoslavia right up until the 1990s.


It was through the CPY (as well as the Soviets initially), that 'Macedonism' found its fruition as an ideology. The ideology had struggled in the shadows of Vardarskan politics for much of its since its inception, gaining some ground, before being adopted and exploited by the Commiterns. Notably Belgrade and Moscow's the objectives for adopting the Macedonists' cause was control of Greek Macedonia and the warm-water port of Salonika on the Aegean. Salonika port would have been a priceless possession for the communist bloc which never managed to possess a warm-water port during the length cold war.


With The cold war climate beginning to adjest after WW2, the Yugoslav Politiburo was in coalition Soviets and Bulgarian communist government but also the Greek communists of the KKE (Greek Communist Party) and the leadership of its armed wing, ELAS, otherwise known as the Democratic Army of Greece. Multiple documents confirmed that the KKE/ Greek commitern had agreed, in coalition with the Yugoslav Partisans and under Moscow's direction initially until 1948, to cooperate in the formation of a Balkan federation and the 'Socialist Republic of Macedonia' which Tito declared in 1944. This federation was intended to have included Greek Macedonia and Thrace; however with the defeat of the communists in the Greek civil war, many Greek communists fled the border and defected to Yugoslavia and other avenues were evidently taken to lay claim to Greek Macedonia and Thessaloniki by Yugoslavia.


(For more on the collusion of the YCP, Stalin, both the Greek and Bulgarian communist parties as well as the defection of Greek communist guerrillas to Yugoslavia after the civil war, visit the page: The collusion of the KKE, communist guerillas, Yugoslavs and Soviets - their role in Macedonian affair




Tito and the Soviets saw a way of exploiting two goals by adopting 'Macedonism': 1) Being to find an alternative to the failed policy of Serbinization of the Vardar region since 1913 and 2) Being that, with the defeat of the communists in the Greek civil war and to get around the provisions of the Yalta Conference and establish a presence in Greece and gaining control of the warm water port of Thessaloniki by laying claim to Greek Macedonia. (Thessaloniki was the capital and hub of Macedonia as well as the most vital port of the region)


In WW2's aftermath, Tito and the Commitern quickly adopted the Macedonist ideology and set about constructing a fully fledged "Macedonian" ethnicity in Vardarska as a means of laying claim to Greek Macedonia. He renamed the old Yugoslav/ Serb province of 'Vardarska Banovina', as it had been known since 1913, the 'Socialist Republic of Macedonia' or the 'Peoples' Republic of Macedonia'. This plot to falsify the situation in Macedonia was a "Cloak for agressive intentions against Greece", according to this 1944 U.S State Department document:


http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/2/2b/Secretaryofstate1944.JPG

1944 U.S State Department document adressing the Partisans intentions for the 'Socialist Republic of Macedonia'






To codify this concept into a political reality Tito:

-Utilised the existing streak of Macedonist seperatism from Bulgarian consciousness in Vardar to construct and codify a fully fledged ethnicity.

-Declared, In March 1945, a puppet "Macedonian" government for the People's Republic of Macedonia which was created as one of republics of Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, governed by the Communist Party of Yugoslavia.

-Made the official language of this republic the "Macedonian language" and set up various committees to deal with the codification of the language and alphabet. (see: Belgrade's committees for Macedonian language and Alphabet)

-On July 19, 1967, a bill for the creation of the "Macedonian Orthodox Church" was submitted to the Serbian Orthodox Church which had been the sole titulary in the region since 1919. The bill, after initially being rejected, was then accepted under stong pressure by the Communist authorities. As a result, it was not recognized as a Church by any other Orthodox Church or by the Vatican.

-In 1969, the "History of the Macedonian nation" was published by Yugoslav state authors. Encountering much international dissaproval, the book gave any reference in the world's archives to Macedonia and to historical figures and historical events connected in any way with Macedonia over the millennia, was manipulated and forcibly given a "ethnic Macedonian (Slavic) identity". (See: Skopjian/ Yugoslav historical revisionism )

-Set in motion expansionist aspirations, with a policy of referring Greek Macedonia as "Aegean Macedonia" with the warm-water port of Thessaloniki as its capital. Maps were issued of "occupied historical ethnic Macedonia" which limited Greece's northern frontiers to Mount Olympus. As well as this the authorities released school text books exhibiting the idea of "Macedonian territories occupied by Greece". Territory was also claimed to be occupied by Bulgaria and Albania.

-Alleged the existence of a Slav "Macedonian minority" in Greece as a vehicle for this expansionism. In the decades following the Federal Yugoslav Government frequently "asserted" that a Slav minority (indeed a minority of the same nationality as the "Socialist Rep. of Macedonia") existed in Greek Macedonia. (click on the below articles as an example of these claims and how Greek communists who had defected after the Greek civil war were used for that purpose)


First article: Greek Communist Guerillas

Second article: Yugoslavs claim minority in Greek Macedonia

Third article: Allegations of Yugoslav territorial ambitions
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Josip Tito signs the declaration of of the 'Socialist Republic of Macedonia', 1945

Ethnic Falsifications


Similarities can be in various other instances with the plethora of socialist republics which were re-divided and sub-divided by the both the Soviet and Yugoslav Federations once communist rule had taken effect there. Tito adopted from the Soviets, policies of re-diving/ sub-dividing these socialist republics and often the manipulation of the ethnic conscience of the populations under their control were widespread.

Further examples of ethnic falsifications for political aims can be seen in other instances, albeit in differing circumstances. Belorussia and 'Pirin Macedonia' in Bulgaria as well are examples of this. Tito divided up Yugoslavia up into a federation of 'socialist peoples' republics regardless of historical and ethnic reality: Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia Hercegovina, Kosovo, Montinegro, Macedonia from 1945. A quote on the nature of the Socialist Republics which made up the Yugoslav Federation:

"Tito had employed this particular strategy for 35 years. He kept Yugoslavia at peace by sub-dividing Serbs and encouraging others' ethnic separatism, then slapping it down whenever it got too far out of hand. Tito's "peace" was nothing more than managed social warfare - precisely what takes place in any democratic political system"

http://www.antiwar.com/malic/?articleid=3957

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"Pirin" Macedonia
'Pirin/ Occupied Macedonia' and the so-called 'Macedonian minority' in Blaegovgrad, Bulgaria

The words of Joseph Stalin seen below recorded by the Soviet state press serve as another telling primary source about the ethnic falsifications of the communists and the collusion of the communist parties. In this case you can see Stalin rather agressively that the Bulgarian government basically act in order to forceably change the ethnic conscience of their own Bulgarian people in the area proposed to be called 'Pirin Macedonia'. He likens the idea of "unifying Macedonia" to the Soviet Republic of Belarus and the ethnic falsifications of the Soviet state there.


STALIN TO BULGARIAN DELEGATION (G. Dimitrov, V. Kolarov, T. Kostov) The Kremlin, 7 June 1946:

"Cultural autonomy must be granted to Pirin Macedonia within the framework of Bulgaria. Tito has shown himself more flexible than you - possibly because he lives in a multiethnic state and has had to give equal rights to the various peoples. Autonomy will be the first step towards the unification of Macedonia, but in view of the present situation there should be no hurry on this matter. Otherwise, in the eyes of the Macedonian people the whole mission of achieving Macedonian autonomy will remain with Tito and you will get the criticism. You seem to be afraid of Kimon Georgiev, you have involved yourselves too much with him and do not want to give autonomy to Pirin Macedonia. That a Macedonian consciousness has not yet developed among the population is of no account. No such consciousness existed in Belarus either when we proclaimed it a Soviet Republic. However, later it was shown that Belarusian people did in fact exist."

Otecestven Vestnik (Sofia daily), 19 June 1991




Obvious parallells between 'Pirin' and Vardar can be seen here in terms of the Yugoslavs acting to fully contruct ideas of a 'Macedonian' fatherland/ republic, language, church and consciousness.

The result of the Bulgarian communists complying with Stalin's wishes for a time are evident today. Today in the western Bulgarian region of Blaegovgrad there is a small minority of 3,117 which even today claims itself to be the Macedonian minority of 'Pirin'. Indeed this region is claimed as 'Pirin' or 'Occupied Macedonia' just as Greek Macedonia is claimed as Aegean/ Occupied Macedonia by Skopjian nationalists and revisionists today.

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/9/9c/Blaegovgrad.JPG
The Blaegovgrad Region or 'Pirin Macedonia' outlined in green






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Further data concerning communist Yugoslavia and Moscow's part in the ethnic falsifications of Macedonia



"I shall not indulge in a lecture on the ancient identity of the Macedonians and on Philip II of Macedon and Alexander the Great, but the Greeks were historically correct in the campaign that they launched in the early days of the dispute...."Nor shall I engage in a lecture on the falsification of the history of Slavo-Macedonia since 1944, although that, too, has much hard factual content. I simply remind the House that Tito's renaming of Vardar Banovina as the Republic of Macedonia in 1944 was a political statement. More than that, it was a territorial claim. It laid claim to territory in Greece and in Bulgaria. Notably, the objective was the warm water port of Salonika on the Aegean."

[Mr. Edward O'Hara of the British Parliament]




"For three weeks the Partisan National Liberation Committee had been busy creating, on paper, the new Yugoslavia. Twice Tito had flown to Moscow, conferred with Stalin and the Peoples' Commissar for Foreign Affairs Vlacheslav M. Molotov... The new power at once began to expand. Yugoslav Macedonians insisted that Yugoslavia's new Macedonian district should include not only Bulgarian Macedonia but Greek Macedonia."

TIME Magazine - December 4, 1944





"During the occupation...a combined effort was made to wrest Macedonia from Greece --- an effort that allegedly continues, although in altered form... The main conspirational activity in Macedonia today appears to be directed from Skopje."

THE NEW YORK TIMES - July 16, 1946




"The possible creation of a Macedonian free state within Greece to amalgamate with Marshal Tito's Federated Macedonia State, with is capital in Skopje...would fulfill the Slavic objectives of re-uniting the...province of Macedonia under Slavic rule, giving access of the sea to Bulgaria and Yugoslavia."

C. L. Sulzberger, THE NEW YORK TIMES - July 26, 1946




"Though once the heart of the empire of Alexander the Great, (Macedonia) has been for centuries a geographical expression rather than a political entity, and is today inhabited by an inextricable medley of people, among whom the Serbs, now Yugoslavs, are certainly the least numerous. But a "Federal Macedonia" has been projected as an integral part of Tito's plan for a federated Balkans...taking Greek Macedonia for an outlet to the Aegean Sea through Salonica."

THE NEW YORK TIMES - July 10, 1946




"According to most reliable information, a secret meeting was held yesterday at Comi in southern bulgaria...to draw up plans for a general rising in Greek Macedonia, with the ultimate object of incorporating that region with Salonica in an automonous Macedonia under Yugoslav hegemony."

THE NEW YORK TIMES - August 19, 1946








U.S STATE DEPARTMENT Foreign Relations Vol. VIII Washington D.C. Circular Airgram (868.014/26 Dec. 1944)

The Secretary of State to Certain Diplomatic and Consular Officers*

The following is for your information and general guidance, but not for any positive action at this time.

The Department has noted with considerable apprehension increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia, emanating principally from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state. "This Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonia "national consiousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece".

The approved policy of this Government is to oppose any revival of the Macedonian issue as related to Greece. The Greek section of Macedonia is largery inhabited by Greeks, and the Greek people are almost unanimously opposed to the creation of a Macodonian state. Allegations of serious Greek participation in any such agitation can be assumed to be false. This Government would regard as responsible any Government or group of Governments tolerating or encouraging menacing or aggressive acts of "Macedonian Forces" against Greece.

The Department would appreciate any information pertiment to this subject which may come to your attention.

Department of State








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Further data concerning the ethnic, historical origins of F.Y.R.O.M and the ethnic make-up of Macedonia

Some testimonies from The FYROM's officials:

a. The former President of The FYROM, Kiro Gligorov said: "We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).

b. Also, Mr Gligorov declared: "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" (Toronto Star, March 15, 1992).

c. On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said: "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great … Greece is Macedonia's second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."

d. On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, "There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country."

e. Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people."


-Secondary quotes from modern persons and historians:

"Although in some areas [of Macedonia] the various groups were all inextricably intermingled, it is pertinent to point out that in other sections a given race decidedly predominated. In the southern districts, for instance, and more particularly along the coast, the Greeks, a city people given to trade, had the upper hand, while to the north of them the Slavs, peasants for the most part working the soil, held sway. These Slavs may properly be considered as a special Macedonian group, but since they were closely related to both Bulgars and Serbs and had, moreover, in the past been usually incorporated in either the Bulgar or Serb state, they inevitably became the object of both Bulgar and Serb aspirations and an apple of discord between these rival nationalities. As an oppressed people on an exceedingly primitive level, the Macedonian Slavs had as late as the congress of Berlin exhibited no perceptible national consciousness of their own. It was therefore impossible to foretell in what direction they would lean when their awakening came; in fact, so indeterminate was the situation that under favorable circumstances they might even develop ther own particular Macedonian consciousness."

[Ferdinand Schevill, "A History of the Balkans", p.432]

-Primary quotes from observers in the 19th and 20th centuries:


"It should be remembered, to begin with, that there is no Macedonian race, as a distinct type. Macedonians may belong to any of the races of Eastern Europe or Western Asia, as, indeed, they do. A Macedonian Bulgar is just the same as a Bulgar of Bulgaria proper, the old principality, that in October, 1908, at Tirnova, was proclaimed independent of Turkey. He looks the same, talks the same, and very largely, thinks the same way. In short, he is of the same stock. There is no difference, whatsoever, between the two branches of the race, except that the Macedonian Bulgars, as a result of their position under the Turkish government, have less culture and education than their northern brethren."

[Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, "Fighting the Turk in the Balkans: An American's Adventures with the Macedonian Revolutionists", 1908, p. 4-5]


"Thessaloniki was bulwark of the Greeks ever since the third century AD"

Written in a guide to Thessaloniki by German archaeologists and historians for the occupying forces of 1941-45

"When the Turks and the Bulgarians left, Macedonia remained a purely Greek region"

Henry Morgenthau Serving in Greece between 1925 and 1926 as President of the Committee on Refugees for the Community of Nations; in his book 'I was sent to Athens'








"It is the national identity of these Slav Macedonians that has been the most violently contested aspect of the whole Macedonian dispute, and is still being contested today. There is no doubt that they are southern Slavs; they have a language, or a group of varying dialects, that is grammatically akin to Bulgarian but phonetically in some respects akin to Serbian. In regard to their own national feelings, all that can safely be said is that during the last eighty years many more Slav Macedonians seem to have considered themselves Bulgarian, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skoplje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothing but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deep-rooted."

[Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics", (originally published in 1950 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs), p.10]
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 04:20 am
Linguistic origins of F.Y.R.O.M - From Bulgarian dialect to "Macedonian" language http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/6/6d/Venko-azbuka.jpg

The Yugoslav committee for the creation of the Macedonian alphabet in November 1944. Left to right: Vasil Ilioski, Hristo Zografov, Krum Toshev, Dare Djambas, Venko Markovski, Mirko Pavlovski, Mihail Petrushevski, Hristo Prodanov, Georgi Kiselinov, Georgi Shoptraianov, Iovan Kostov


http://www.veni.com/venko-azbuka.html
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 04:26 am
Skopjian historical revisionism - Rejected by the World's academia http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/4/4a/Doc5b-lg.jpg/150px-Doc5b-lg.jpg

Yugoslav publication; 'HISTORY' on 'Macedonian' history



In 1969, the "History of the Macedonian nation" was published by Yugoslav state authors. The book was distributed by the state to the world's academia, meaning the full scale revisionism was exposed to the world for the first time. Encountering much international dissaproval (See Guerdan's letter above), the book gave any reference in the world's archives to Macedonia and to historical figures and historical events connected in any way with Macedonia over the millennia, was manipulated and forcibly given a "ethnic Macedonian" (Slavic) identity. The book dealth with ancient, medival and modern history; for each period making a number of unarguable claims, claims appropriating the parts of history belonging to all the actual ethnicities of the region, Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians, Albanians etc. Such would be expected in a book attempting to cater for historical figures, events all linked to a Slavic "Macedonian" ethnicity over thousands of years.


Other miscellaneous examples of Historical revisionism by Yugoslav and Skopjian "historians"

-In 1986 Skopje deceived the Vatican by gaining permission to hold, at the Vatican, an exhibition of "Macedonian" icons -which were in fact Greek Byzantine icons. Later a Vatican spokesman stated that they had been "tricked by Skopje"

-In June 1989 Skopje deceived the Russians by putting on an exhibition in Moscow of fourth to sixth century "Macedonian" terracottas. The inscriptions were all in Greek.
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 04:28 am
Disection of revisionist falsifications

This page has been set up so that a thourough analysis of revisionism relating to each of the following periods can be found at the links below:


Historical falsifications relating to modern Macedonia:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Historical_falsifications_relating_to_modern_Macedonia

Historical falsifications relating to medival Macedonia:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Historical_falsifications_relating_to_medival_Macedonia

Historical falsifications relating to ancient Macedonia:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Historical_falsifications_relating_to_ancient_Macedonia
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 04:32 am
Skopjian Nationality and Ethnicity

Why is the question of Skopjian ethnicity so important? Skopjians or present day residents of the Former Republic of "Macedonia" claim to be ancestors of Alexander the Great.

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/e/e1/Alexander-dedication.jpg/180px-Alexander-dedication.jpg

Dedication of Alexander the Great to Athena Polias, Greece, around 330 BC. From Priene, Asia Minor
The inscription was found in the nineteenth century by the architect-archaeologist Richard Pullan leading an expedition on behalf of the Society of Dilettanti. It reads: 'King Alexander dedicated the Temple to Athena Polias'. It contains Greek writing and inscription. From:(Alexander Dedication The British Museam, Gift of the Society of Dilettanti, GR 1870.3-20.88 (Inscription 399 and 400), Room 78 , Classical inscriptions, north wall From B.F. Cook, Greek inscriptions (London, The British Museum Press, 1987), pp. 21-22,)


We will demonstrate here the evidence which supports that Skopjian residents of the Former Republic of "Macedonia" are in fact more related to Bulgarians and Serbians, Slavic peoples that migrated to the region of Yugoslavia and the upper borders of ancient Macedonia Greece quite recently (around 6 A.D.), and are therefore not ancestors of Alexander the Great, nor ancient Macedonians by all meaning of the word.

Introduction to Skopjian Ethnicity
The people currently residing in the Former Republic of "Macedonia" have similarities to many other ethnicities. This includes similarities of Skopjian people to those of the Bulgarian ethnicity. The Skopjian or "Macedonian" language, history, politics, music, and culture are similar if not identical in many respects to those of the Bulgarian. The Skopjian people however are also related to Albanian, Vlach, Serbian, Croatian and other Slavic peoples in many respects.

It is thus confusing what "nationality" the Skopjian people of the former Republic of "Macedonia" are exactly. As "FYROM - or the Former Republic of "Macedonia" was never a nation, nor a "nationality" until very recent times (ie until the last few decades), this points to political rather than ethnic birth of their "ethnic consciousness".

History of the Nationality of the Former Republic of "Macedonia"
Although some people of modern day Former Republic of "Macedonia" insist they are "Macedonians", there has been no historical evidence before the last few decades to support this notion.

In fact, ethnological maps, censuses, and many other forms of support have demonstrated that no people have identified as "Macedonians" within the Skopjian Slavic region.

To remove any inherent biases, we will be using support and artifactual evidence from neutral countries.


Population Studies

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/0/02/PopolazJugosl1921-31.jpg

As demonstrated from this Population Study conducted during the 1921-1931 period, there are only Bulgarian, Serbian, and Croatian nationalities within the region defined previously as Yugoslavia, which included within it the region which is today the Former Republic of "Macedonia".

Ethnological Maps

Ethnological maps are vital evidences of the nature of the Skopjian ethnicity.

As demonstrated by countless maps from this century and the last few hundred years, there has been no mention of a Macedonian people separate from the Greek one.

This is confirmed by maps of the Yugoslavian and Greek region which are solid evidence for the fact that only Bulgarian, Serbian, Croation and other Slavic nationalities were a part of the region which is today referred to as the Former Republic of "Macedonia".

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/96/Races_balkan_shepherd_1923.jpg/800px-Races_balkan_shepherd_1923.jpg
This Balkan Races map from 1923 by Shepherd clearly demonstrates that only Bulgarian, Serbian and Croatian Nationalities were found in the Slavic region.

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/images/thumb/f/fc/Macedonia_19192.jpg/800px-Macedonia_19192.jpg

A French Ethnic Map of Macedonia from 1912 by Professer J.Ivanoff, also confirms that Macedonia Greece was a Greek region, and southern Yugoslavia was a Bulgarian / Serbian region.

Diversity of the Former Republic of "Macedonia"

Interestingly, although the Skopjian propagandists have been pointing to the "ethnic diversity of the Greeks", the republic of "Macedonia" was and is today a very ethnically diverse geographical area.

The former Republic of "Macedonia" is an ethnically diverse country.

1 300 000 inhabitants declared themselves to be "Macedonians" or residents of the Former Republic of "Macedonia", which represents only 64% of the total population.
However, a great percentage of these people also declare that they are Bulgarian. As at May, 2004, some 14,000 "Macedonians" had applied for a Bulgarian citizenship on the grounds of Bulgarian origin and 4,000 of them had already received their Bulgarian passports. Also, according to information of the Bulgarian embassy in Skopje, a total of 2,435 Macedonians received Bulgarian citizenship in 2005 alone.


In June, 2004, the "Macedonian" state television announced with alarm that at least one member of every fourth household in the eastern part of the former Republic of "Macedonia" had already received a Bulgarian passport or had at least applied for one. The last quoted number so far was of 63,000 "Macedonians"(the number has not been confirmed officially) by the "Macedonians" daily Vecher on April 5, 2005.

Approximately 500 000 inhabitants are declared as Albanians, representing 25% of the population.
Turks (78,000 or 3.9%)
Roma (54,000 or 2.7%)
Serbs (36,000 or 1.8%)
Aromanians or Vlachs as they are called in census (9695 or 0,4%)
Slavic Muslims or Bosniaks as they are officially called in census represent 0,8% and these include Torbesh, Gorans and Pomaks.
Many other minorities exist, namely Montenegrins, Croats, Slovenes (all constituting a small presence of people from the former Yugoslavia), Egyptians and Circassians who live in a handful of villages.

Therefore there are strong Bulgarian (1/4 of households had a Bulgarian passport) and Albanian (1/4 of the population at least) influences in the former Republic of "Macedonia" which cannot be ignored. Many other smaller minorities collectively (over 10% of the population) also cannot be ignored as they constitute more than 60% of the population together with the Albanian and Bulgarian influences.

However, the government of the Former Republic of "Macedonia" has not allowed the expression of these peoples'. In fact, Albanians and pro-Bulgarian supporters have been persecuted by the government.

Conclusions
Although it is a well-known, and academically accepted fact that Skopjian people are a Slavic people, we attempted here to clearly demonstrate this using factual evidence. Therefore, the people of the Former Republic of "Macedonia" are indeed a Slavic people, descended from Bulgarians and other Slavic people which migrated to the region of Yugoslavic in recent historic times and have no relationship to the ancient Macedonians.

I will leave you with quotes best stated by Skopjians themselves.

The former President of FYROM, Kiro Gligorov stated: "We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" (Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35).


Mr.Gligorov stated:

"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" Toronto Star, March 15, 1992


On 22 January 1999, Ambassador of the FYROM to USA, Ljubica Achevska gave a speech on the present situation in the Balkans. In answering questions at the end of her speech Mrs. Acevshka said:

"We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great … Greece is Macedonia's second largest trading partner, and its number one investor. Instead of opting for war, we have chosen the mediation of the United Nations, with talks on the ambassadorial level under Mr. Vance and Mr. Nemitz." In reply to another question about the ethnic origin of the people of FYROM, Ambassador Achevska stated that "we are Slavs and we speak a Slav language."

On 24 February 1999, in an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted,

"We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented, "There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country."


Moreover, the Foreign Minister of the FYROM, Slobodan Casule, in an interview to Utrinski Vesnik of Skopje on December 29, 2001, said that he mentioned to the Foreign Minister of Bulgaria, Solomon Pasi, that they "belong to the same Slav people."

Retrieved from "http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/wiki/index.php?title=Skopjian_Nationality"
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 04:33 am
Links about Macedonia:
http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/macedonia-links/
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Tue 25 Jul, 2006 05:33 am
... dropping in a marker ...
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Ellinas
 
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Reply Sat 29 Jul, 2006 03:58 am
Many thanks to the "Macedonia on the web" website, where I retrieved this texts. For more info visit: http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/ or if you have a question or something visit the forum: http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/.
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