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Thu 20 Jul, 2006 05:38 am
Quote:Many Muslims are put off by the moral decline that seems to have pervaded American culture during the second half of the twentieth century. They worry that it will be exported to their own children and societies...
Through American popular culture such as Hollywood movies, MTV, or pornography, they encounter a culture in which God and religious principles seem to be disrespected, neglected, even attacked or ridiculed...
...many people around the globe see Western societies as being ones that "derogate religion, exalt triviality (sports, entertainment, fashion), endorse sexual shamelessness, deprecate family, and discard honor." Pearse argues that these tendencies do indeed have bad results: "social atomization; personal irresponsibility; dehumanizing impersonality; and other wounds to traditional families, communities, and conceptions of the person."
"The al-Qaeda hijackers did not target the Vatican, the capital of Western Christianity," notes writer David Kelley, but rather the World Trade Center, "a temple of modernity." He points out that "Hamas's suicide bombers usually attack Israeli pizza parlors, hotels, and nightclubs, not synagogues." Kelley (who is himself an atheist) concludes that "Islamist hatred of the West is not directed at Christianity as a rival religion but at modernism as an alternative to religion as such."
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It is obvious that traditional America and Islam have a common enemy. Only if both groups understand this root cause of the war on terror, then choose to deal with this threat, will peace prevail. Social liberalism is the true threat to world peace.
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[We don't know who attacked the World Trade Center]
Of course the most moral response to our lack of morals is to strap a bomb to a teenager and have him/her go to a public space and commit suicide by blowing up innocent people. Yeah that's the kind of morality I would like to see take over the world.
Your comment about the WTC is just too stupid to even respond to seriously.
Green Witch wrote:Of course the most moral response to our lack of morals is to strap a bomb to a teenager and have him/her go to a public space and commit suicide by blowing up innocent people. Yeah that's the kind of morality I would like to see take over the world.
Your comment about the WTC is just too stupid to even respond to seriously.
You're right, how dare they fight back after we carpet bomb them back to the stone age, raping and killing
100,000 + - i wonder why you prefer to have your head inside your a$$ - maybe you like the view.
If they had Military Aircraft/Rockets/carpet bombs they wouldn't need to strap a bomb. DUH!
Re: Why Muslims hate the US: The real reason
freedom4free wrote:Quote:Many Muslims are put off by the moral decline that seems to have pervaded American culture during the second half of the twentieth century. They worry that it will be exported to their own children and societies...
Through American popular culture such as Hollywood movies, MTV, or pornography, they encounter a culture in which God and religious principles seem to be disrespected, neglected, even attacked or ridiculed...
...many people around the globe see Western societies as being ones that "derogate religion, exalt triviality (sports, entertainment, fashion), endorse sexual shamelessness, deprecate family, and discard honor." Pearse argues that these tendencies do indeed have bad results: "social atomization; personal irresponsibility; dehumanizing impersonality; and other wounds to traditional families, communities, and conceptions of the person."
"The al-Qaeda hijackers did not target the Vatican, the capital of Western Christianity," notes writer David Kelley, but rather the World Trade Center, "a temple of modernity." He points out that "Hamas's suicide bombers usually attack Israeli pizza parlors, hotels, and nightclubs, not synagogues." Kelley (who is himself an atheist) concludes that "Islamist hatred of the West is not directed at Christianity as a rival religion but at modernism as an alternative to religion as such."
Source
It is obvious that traditional America and Islam have a common enemy. Only if both groups understand this root cause of the war on terror, then choose to deal with this threat, will peace prevail. Social liberalism is the true threat to world peace.
Note:
[We don't know who attacked the World Trade Center]
That is their "EXCUSE". Not the reason.
Maybe you should exam MUSLIM MORALS and how they treated their citizens.
To argue that OUR "MOVIES" insult their religion is laughable.
How bout they just don't watch our movies?
This article by Mustafa Akyol is crap. The greatest enemy is not social liberalism but conservative religion, and that includes Christian. The idea that we must change our morals to appease the conservative religious is repugnant. Either we will be free and practice social liberalism or we will surrender our freedom and be dominated by the intolerant conservative religious. That is the question.
freedom4free wrote:100,000 + - i wonder why you prefer to have your head inside your a$$ - maybe you like the view.
If they had Military Aircraft/Rockets/carpet bombs they wouldn't need to strap a bomb. DUH!
So you think teenagers blowing themselves up and killing other innocent people is a good way to solve the problems in the Arab world? What has it accomplished? I think you are looking up your own ass.
If militant Muslims followed the moral road of Gandhi instead of the road of Attila the Hun the world would be a better place for everyone.
(I like what Bella said)
Bella Dea
Quote:How bout they just don't watch our movies?
How about we leave them alone ?
Green Witch
Quote:So you think teenagers blowing themselves up and killing other innocent people is a good way to solve the problems in the Arab world?
No, a good way to solve the (problem we created) is to leave them alone.
freedom4free wrote:Bella Dea
Quote:How bout they just don't watch our movies?
How about we leave them alone ?
Agree. We should have left them alone to continue killing each other as they have been doing for centuries.
freedom4free wrote:Bella Dea
Quote:How bout they just don't watch our movies?
How about we leave them alone ?
How bout they leave US alone and quit worrying about us corrupting their already twisted sense of religious righteousness?
freedom4free wrote:Green Witch
Quote:So you think teenagers blowing themselves up and killing other innocent people is a good way to solve the problems in the Arab world?
No, a good way to solve the (problem we created) is to leave them alone.
Their "problems" have been around longer than the U.S. has existed.
freedom4free wrote: i wonder why you prefer to have your head inside your a$$ - maybe you like the view.
hey, i found a nice article about an Islamic school on the outskirts of Chicago, IL. here's a quote from the principal:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1071185,00.html
good thing you're canadian, otherwise you'd be a hypocrite for posting a piece about american moral standards while using the very profanity that muslims decry.
For the most part, Muslims do not hate, or even dislike America. Many Muslims actually choose to live in America.
It is the tiny minority of Islamic extremists that hate everyone NOT following their particular interpretation of Islam that are causing most of the trouble. They even hate other muslims that do not follow their extrmist ideologies.
Unfortunately, they have lots of guns and rockets and don't mind using them.
freedom4free wrote:Green Witch
Quote:So you think teenagers blowing themselves up and killing other innocent people is a good way to solve the problems in the Arab world?
No, a good way to solve the (problem we created) is to leave them alone.
unhhh....weren't we trying to leave them alone prior to 9-11? What did that get us....3000 dead.
We weren't exactly 'leaving them alone,' as we have disrupted the economic system of the region so severely as to cause massive poverty for a large portion of the population, and unbelievable profits for the ruling elite classes in many ME countries. Not to mention the fact that their kids find our culture to be preferrable to their culture in many ways; our media is a more powerful weapon for change than any bomb could be. This scares those who follow the older traditions, and they shift to the right in an attempt to hold on to their beliefs. Their use of the Authoritarianism as a form of government is actually quite similar to what has happened to the Republican party, now that I think about it.
Cycloptichorn
freedom4free wrote:It is obvious that traditional America and Islam have a common enemy. Only if both groups understand this root cause of the war on terror, then choose to deal with this threat, will peace prevail. Social liberalism is the true threat to world peace.
freedom, I think I agree with you here...and I agree with Akyol's article...but it seems so far out of your usual posturings, that I think I may have missed your point. Or else I'm blind to your sarcasm.
Cycloptichorn wrote:We weren't exactly 'leaving them alone,' as we have disrupted the economic system of the region so severely as to cause massive poverty for a large portion of the population, and unbelievable profits for the ruling elite classes in many ME countries.
We have done no such thing. We are consumers of their oil and in our thirst, we have made certain folks in their country very very rich....but we certainly have not downtrodden the masses, that was done by their own countrymen, not americans. In fact, if we had not left them alone but taken a more active role to prevent this disparity, I daresay we might not be in this mess now.
I agree, for you have to look at things the way they do: the leaders steal the oil from the populace, we know this, we buy the oil from the leaders, therefore we are complicit in buying stolen goods.
We were not the agents of the 'downtrodding,' but our love of oil did percipitate it. You are correct in saying that if we had made sure the peoples of the region shared in the profits more, then we would have less problems in the ME; but we did not. We are no different than someone who buys a stereo that they know is stolen, really.
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn wrote:I agree, for you have to look at things the way they do: the leaders steal the oil from the populace, we know this, we buy the oil from the leaders, therefore we are complicit in buying stolen goods.
We were not the agents of the 'downtrodding,' but our love of oil did percipitate it. You are correct in saying that if we had made sure the peoples of the region shared in the profits more, then we would have less problems in the ME; but we did not. We are no different than someone who buys a stereo that they know is stolen, really.
Cycloptichorn
Whats with the "LOVE FOR OIL" nonsense!
Oil is needed as a source of energy. Their Govt controls it. They produce it (with western technology given to them", we buy it. That's it.
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