Genocide and the bible.

I already did. Get your head out of your ass...and read what I write.

Yes...your particular cult apparently feels this way.

Of course I can. In fact...I already have.

Jeez...you have a hard time with logic, don't you.

Is your cult opposed to logic?

I have made no false claims.

Gimme a fukin' break, will ya!

Of course Jesus worshipped a god. He worshipped that pathetic cartoon god of the Bible.

Okay...but he still worshipped the god of Abraham.

I feel so sorry for you poor saps who actually have to go through all this torturous twisting and turning to try to get the fairytale to agree with the story you now are peddling.

Did you ever think of selling snake oil?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Bartikus wrote:

Frank....if you don't mind me asking...how old are you?

I see your retired. Your probably old enough to be my Dad.

Might be old enough to be your grandfather, Bart.

I'll be 70 on August 9th.

I've been using 70 as my age all year to prepare myself for this significant first digit change.

Yeah...I'm an old goat.

Mines on the 8th.

That explains alot.

Yeah...you could be a grandfather if the family did'nt wait long to.....well you know. lol

Frank Apisa wrote:

I already did. Get your head out of your ass...and read what I write.

No Sir Actually you have not quoted any verses in this Section of posts that Shows Jesus worshipping any GOD at all.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Yes...your particular cult apparently feels this way.

I dont belong to any group or cult. Thank you very much. Plus if you would have READ and understood my frist post you would see and understand that I personally am starting to doubt the reliability of the bible. But if you just go by only what the bible says then Jesus is Jehovah.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Of course I can. In fact...I already have.

No you have not.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Jeez...you have a hard time with logic, don't you.

No but it seems you do, go back and read all your posts in this section not once have you quoted any verse where Jesus worships.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Is your cult opposed to logic?

Is yours?

Frank Apisa wrote:

I have made no false claims.

Yes you have. You have said Jesus worshipped God and have not provided evidence therewith. That is illogical.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Gimme a fukin' break, will ya!

Hell no.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Of course Jesus worshipped a god. He worshipped that pathetic cartoon god of the Bible.

No he did not. Prove your point or shut up.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Okay...but he still worshipped the god of Abraham.

No he did not.

Frank Apisa wrote:

I feel so sorry for you poor saps who actually have to go through all this torturous twisting and turning to try to get the fairytale to agree with the story you now are peddling.

I feel so sorry for poor saps who are led down the path of stupid thinking without using an ounce of logic to actually try to descerne what it is that they read.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Did you ever think of selling snake oil?

It is honest work!

What does this have to do with the line of posting? Nothing keep your off topic comments to yourself.

I'll get back to this later. Until then, ask yourself.
To whom did Jesus pray? (John ch. 17)

Whom did he obey? (Hebrews 5:8)

Who resurrected Jesus?

Now, as for whether Jehovah is a loving God and whether or not his actions constitute cruelty or genocide, I think I'll begin a new topic, since this one will surely be locked.

See ya.

I'll get back to this later. Until then, ask yourself.
To whom did Jesus pray? (John ch. 17)

Whom did he obey? (Hebrews 5:8)

Who resurrected Jesus?

Now, as for whether Jehovah is a loving God and whether or not his actions constitute cruelty or genocide, I think I'll begin a new topic, since this one will surely be locked.

See ya.

I'll get back to this later. Until then, ask yourself.
To whom did Jesus pray? (John ch. 17)

Whom did he obey? (Hebrews 5:8)

Who resurrected Jesus?

Now, as for whether Jehovah is a loving God and whether or not his actions constitute cruelty or genocide, I think I'll begin a new topic, since this one will surely be locked.

See ya.

Scott777ab wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I already did. Get your head out of your ass...and read what I write.

No Sir Actually you have not quoted any verses in this Section of posts that Shows Jesus worshipping any GOD at all.

No...but I have indicated that I am not willing to "provide evidence" that Jesus worshipped the god of the Bible.
Anyone ignorant and bullheaded enough to maintain, as you do, that
Jesus DID NOT worship the god...is simply too stupid and too much in denial to be offered that amount of respect.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Yes...your particular cult apparently feels this way.

I dont belong to any group or cult. Thank you very much. Plus if you would have READ and understood my frist post you would see and understand that I personally am starting to doubt the reliability of the bible. But if you just go by only what the bible says then Jesus is Jehovah.

My guess is that you are, indeed, a member of a cult...but like all guesses, it may be wrong.
If you just go by only what the Bible says, than you can come up with whatever kind of bullshyt you want.
Some of the interpretations I've seen are absurd...and your contention that Jesus did not worship a god is among the most absurd I've heard.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Of course I can. In fact...I already have.

No you have not.

Yeah, I have.
What you wrote was: SO like i said If you dont provide the verses where he supposedly worshipped you can not claim it at all.
To which I responded, "Of course I can. In fact...I already have."
I have claimed it. There is nothing wrong with claiming something whether you provide verses or not.
Wake the fuk up.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Jeez...you have a hard time with logic, don't you.

No but it seems you do, go back and read all your posts in this section not once have you quoted any verse where Jesus worships.

Once again a logical absurdity.
I have already stated that I will not furnish any verses. I am not going to jump through hoops. The only reason you think Jesus did not worship the god of the Bible is because of the teachings of your cult.
No sane person would come to that conclusion.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Is your cult opposed to logic?

Is yours?

I am agnostic. I have no cult. What are you...a Jehovah's Witness???
(Jehovah's Witnesses almost never identify themselves as such. I guess they are ashamed.)

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Frank Apisa wrote:

I have made no false claims.

Yes you have. You have said Jesus worshipped God and have not provided evidence therewith. That is illogical.

That is no more illogical than claiming the Yankees won a baseball game and not providing evidence of that. You really do not know what logic is, do you?

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Gimme a fukin' break, will ya!

Hell no.

Okay...that I liked.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Of course Jesus worshipped a god. He worshipped that pathetic cartoon god of the Bible.

No he did not. Prove your point or shut up.

Yes he did...and fuk you.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Okay...but he still worshipped the god of Abraham.

No he did not.

Did so!

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Frank Apisa wrote:

I feel so sorry for you poor saps who actually have to go through all this torturous twisting and turning to try to get the fairytale to agree with the story you now are peddling.

I feel so sorry for poor saps who are led down the path of stupid thinking without using an ounce of logic to actually try to descerne what it is that they read.

You wouldn't recognize logic if it bit you on the ass.

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Did you ever think of selling snake oil?
It is honest work!

What does this have to do with the line of posting? Nothing keep your off topic comments to yourself.

Bite me!

neologist wrote:

I'll get back to this later. Until then, ask yourself.
To whom did Jesus pray? (John ch. 17)

Whom did he obey? (Hebrews 5:8)

Who resurrected Jesus?

Now, as for whether Jehovah is a loving God and whether or not his actions constitute cruelty or genocide, I think I'll begin a new topic, since this one will surely be locked.

See ya.

His father.....

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up"

This quote from Frank kinda stuck out!

"If you just go by only what the Bible says, than you can come up with whatever kind of bullshyt you want."

If your not going by only what the scriptures say regarding whether Jesus worshipped a god....what other source are you using?

Who resurrected Jesus?

neologist wrote:

I'll get back to this later. Until then, ask yourself.
To whom did Jesus pray? (John ch. 17)

Whom did he obey? (Hebrews 5:8)

Who resurrected Jesus?

Now, as for whether Jehovah is a loving God and whether or not his actions constitute cruelty or genocide, I think I'll begin a new topic, since this one will surely be locked.

See ya.

His father.....

"Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up"

This quote from Frank kinda stuck out!

"If you just go by only what the Bible says, than you can come up with whatever kind of bullshyt you want."

If your not going by only what the scriptures say regarding whether Jesus worshipped a god....what other source are you using?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Scott777ab wrote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I already did. Get your head out of your ass...and read what I write.

No Sir Actually you have not quoted any verses in this Section of posts that Shows Jesus worshipping any GOD at all.

No...but I have indicated that I am not willing to "provide evidence" that Jesus worshipped the god of the Bible.
Anyone ignorant and bullheaded enough to maintain, as you do, that
Jesus DID NOT worship the god...is simply too stupid and too much in denial to be offered that amount of respect.

And any one who says that he did and is not willing to even SHOW ONE VERSE is someone of disrespect to true Debating. I have given 2 instances where Jesus prayed, one where he screams out My God My God and have shown that none of these three are worship. Now you are completely even unable to provide a single verse to show your point of view and you accuse me of being illogicial. Sir that is completely illogical. If you are not willing to provide your evidence of your point in the debate then you have no true points nor can you debate your points without said evidence.
Therefor sense like you say I AM NOT WILLING TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT JESUS WORSHIPPED THE GOD OF THE BIBLE, well then you really should DROP OUT OF THIS DEBATE. Cause you are just arguing a point to argue while I in the other hand am providing evidence. One who provides evidence is using Logic, one who does not or will not is being illogical to the form of simple debate.

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Yes...your particular cult apparently feels this way.

I dont belong to any group or cult. Thank you very much. Plus if you would have READ and understood my frist post you would see and understand that I personally am starting to doubt the reliability of the bible. But if you just go by only what the bible says then Jesus is Jehovah.

My guess is that you are, indeed, a member of a cult...but like all guesses, it may be wrong.
If you just go by only what the Bible says, than you can come up with whatever kind of bullshyt you want.
Some of the interpretations I've seen are absurd...and your contention that Jesus did not worship a god is among the most absurd I've heard.

I don't scripture twist like the Jehovah's witnesses do thank you very much. I just let them say what they say.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
What did that say?
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
Huh not quite sure I understood that.
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
That can't be could it.
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
No it can't be true can it.
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
As you can see I provide verses to prove my debate points which makes my argument quite logical thank you very much.

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Of course I can. In fact...I already have.

No you have not.

Yeah, I have.
What you wrote was: SO like i said If you dont provide the verses where he supposedly worshipped you can not claim it at all.
To which I responded, "Of course I can. In fact...I already have."
I have claimed it. There is nothing wrong with claiming something whether you provide verses or not.
Wake the fuk up.

God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Jeez...you have a hard time with logic, don't you.

No but it seems you do, go back and read all your posts in this section not once have you quoted any verse where Jesus worships.

Once again a logical absurdity.
I have already stated that I will not furnish any verses. I am not going to jump through hoops. The only reason you think Jesus did not worship the god of the Bible is because of the teachings of your cult.
No sane person would come to that conclusion.

God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh

Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Is your cult opposed to logic?

Is yours?

I am agnostic. I have no cult. What are you...a Jehovah's Witness???
(Jehovah's Witnesses almost never identify themselves as such. I guess they are ashamed.)

God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Frank Apisa wrote:

I have made no false claims.

Yes you have. You have said Jesus worshipped God and have not provided evidence therewith. That is illogical.

That is no more illogical than claiming the Yankees won a baseball game and not providing evidence of that. You really do not know what logic is, do you?

God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
And Neither do you know what true logic is. I have provided my evidence where is yours. Put up or shut up.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Gimme a fukin' break, will ya!

Hell no.

Okay...that I liked.

LOL. WoW your demented. LOL I love it.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Of course Jesus worshipped a god. He worshipped that pathetic cartoon god of the Bible.

No he did not. Prove your point or shut up.

Yes he did...and fuk you.

Where and when baby!
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
Just Kidding.

Frank Apisa wrote:

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Frank Apisa wrote:

Okay...but he still worshipped the god of Abraham.

No he did not.

Did so!

God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
God was manifest in the flesh
Jesus is God why worship himself?

Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

I feel so sorry for you poor saps who actually have to go through all this torturous twisting and turning to try to get the fairytale to agree with the story you now are peddling.

I feel so sorry for poor saps who are led down the path of stupid thinking without using an ounce of logic to actually try to descerne what it is that they read.

You wouldn't recognize logic if it bit you on the ass.

Neither would you Dear Sir.

Frank Apisa wrote:

Quote:

Frank Apisa wrote:

Did you ever think of selling snake oil?
It is honest work!

What does this have to do with the line of posting? Nothing keep your off topic comments to yourself.

Bite me!

Bites! Yummmy.

Common sense...and a sense of proportion, Bart.

Jesus obviously worshipped the god of the Bible...and recommended that everyone else should do likewise.

Because some nut-case wants to assert that Jesus didn't because he has been taught that by the cult to which he belongs....doesn't change anything.

Any reasonable reading of what Jesus taught...would indicate to a sane person that he was describing his worship of and obedience to the god of the Bible (and his suggestions that others do likewise). Jesus worshipped the god of Abraham. ANY REASONABLE READING BY A SANE PERSON would indicate that.

But it is enjoyable to watch the nut-cases doing their distortions. I watch Rex do it often...now Scott comes along to entertain me. I hope I have as much success in getting Scott to help my case by continuing his lunatic ravings...as I have had with Rex.

I love Rex...despite his dementia....and may get to love Scott...if for no other reason than that he takes himself and the bullshyt he peddles so seriously.

It's cute...don't you think?

You are a psycho, Scott. A cute psycho...but a psycho nonetheless.

I am delighted you have such a low opinion of my debating skills. Couldn't set this thing up better if I had done it on my own intentionally.

I am going to enjoy you...and I am going to use you.

Keep that in mind, Scott.

It is my intention to "use you" to further my agenda.

And I know you will help me.

You will do it willingly...anxiously...and to full good effect.

In fact, I think it reasonable to thank you for you help in advance.


THANK YOU, SCOTT!

YOu have yet to prove your point. I have provided verses that support my statements you have not. If you are not willing to do so then you are not debating you are arguing just to arguing. WHich is Illogical.

Are you illogical?
If not prove your point.

Yes i may be a pyscho but at least I am a pyscho that will provide evidence to the my pyschodelic points you don't even provide evidence to your illogical points.

YOu have yet to prove your point. I have provided verses that support my statements you have not. If you are not willing to do so then you are not debating you are arguing just to arguing. WHich is Illogical.

Are you illogical?
If not prove your point.

O yeah Frank.

It is I who is using you right now.
Using you so badly that your are actually looking completely foolish.

I have provided my evidenece on my side.
You have not.

WHo is debating? I am
Who is arguing? You are.

Therefor i am using simple very simple logic to debate you into a hole.
The only way to get out of said hole is to provide your evidence.
If you are not willing to provide said evidence then you are just arguing.
Which is illogical.

O and if all your trying to do is get me all rowled up.
well you have failed utterly.

It seems to me more like i am Getting you alll rowled up.
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE OR SHUT UP.
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE OR SHUT UP.
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE OR SHUT UP.
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE OR SHUT UP.
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE OR SHUT UP.
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE OR SHUT UP.
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE OR SHUT UP.
PROVIDE YOUR EVIDENCE OR SHUT UP.